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villain 19/3.6

Seat 1: goku50 ($163.25 in chips)
Seat 2: ByrnKincaid ($289.90 in chips)
Seat 3: 2big2strong ($234.00 in chips)
Seat 4: smallfish7 ($60.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Rrrappe ($210.20 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: LaLagrima ($399.15 in chips)
Seat 7: mamelli ($196.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Grundbo5 ($198.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Beggarman ($38.00 in chips)
Seat 10: Blessmyhand ($170.00 in chips)
LaLagrima: Post SB $1.00
mamelli: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ByrnKincaid [Kh Kd]
Grundbo5: Fold
Beggarman: Fold
Blessmyhand: Raise $10.00
goku50: Fold
ByrnKincaid: Raise $30.00
2big2strong: Raise $80.00
Rrrappe: Fold
LaLagrima: Fold
mamelli: Fold
Blessmyhand: Fold
ByrnKincaid: Fold

Ignore anyone who says you should have pushed here.

:)

This is so annoying when you call and they have aces.  I call usually, they have aces usually.

you repushed all in right ??

Easy fold versus this opponent.


Honestly

19/3.6! How many hands.

It's sick but vs those stats its an easy pass.

call and spike the king!

L O L

sigh...and another sigh.

Any other read apart from his stats some 19/3 villans will still go crazy with qq in these spots but meh i understand why you folded.

Don't remember how long ago this was but it's nice to KNOW you did the right thing.

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players: 8
Seat 1: geomax(26.65)
Seat 2: jaguar1973(5.80)
Seat 3: rekk(5.90)
Seat 4: Ellie-Anne(26.05)
Seat 5: onetwoflee(5.85)
Seat 6: dunowhut(12.00)
Seat 7:
Seat 8: Kamikaze Rik(11.05)
Seat 9: willsa(5.75)

Current Number of Players: 8
willsa start position: 5.75
Kamikaze Rik start position: 11.05
dunowhut start position: 12.00
onetwoflee start position: 5.85
Ellie-Anne start position: 26.05
rekk start position: 5.90
jaguar1973 start position: 5.80
geomax start position: 26.65
Ellie-Anne posts small blind (0.10)
onetwoflee posts big blind (0.20)
Ellie-Anne is dealt down [Qs Qd]
dunowhut calls (0.20)
Kamikaze Rik folds
willsa folds
geomax raises to (1)
jaguar1973 calls (1)
rekk folds
Ellie-Anne raises to (4.40)
onetwoflee folds
dunowhut folds
geomax raises to (26.65) and is all-in
jaguar1973 calls (5.80) and is all-in
Ellie-Anne says: "hmmmmm"
Ellie-Anne folds
geomax is refunded (20.85)
flop: [Ts 7h 4h]
turn: [6c]
river: [6d]
geomax shows [Ad Ah] for two pair, aces and sixes
jaguar1973 mucks
geomax wins (15.60)
Ellie-Anne says: "nh"
rake is (0.80)
geomax end position: 36.45
jaguar1973 end position: 0.00
rekk end position: 5.90
Ellie-Anne end position: 21.65
onetwoflee end position: 5.65
dunowhut end position: 11.80
Kamikaze Rik end position: 11.05
willsa end position: 5.75
Hand end time: 2005-05-10 13:46:13

LOL, just noticed the date on the bottom.

big difference between folding QQ and KK though...

This type of thread is really silly. 99.5% of the time this fold is the wrong fold. Maybe 0.5% of total players at any given level only show up with AA here. If you think that the villain is one of these oh so rare of exceptions than fine - the fold is a good fold I guess. But I assume that you therefore have some reason to believe this is the case beyond the generic fact that he raises 3% of his hands preflop (JJ+ AKs).

In any case, posting it up here is pointless. Because the correct advice is to never fold. And if you want to counter that with something specific about this player that people who haven't played against him can't comment on then fine - but it all seems like a fine waste of time to me.

If you believe this opponent only ever shows up with AA here and you were confident enough in that read then why fucking post the hand here? My guess is that either you:

- Aren't actually sure it was the right fold - which means it was the wrong fold;
- And want reassurance that you did the right thing;

OR

- Are sure this was a good fold;
- Want all the "ZOMG YOU'RE SO GOOD - DO YOU COACH?" comments to flood in;

Whichever one it is, know that you are wasting your time and that this is not the way to improve your game.

LOL

So you don't agree with the fold here then?

:dontask:

Not getting 117 BBs in preflop with KK in a non satellite / non tournament paybubble situation is TEH LOL.

But does someone playing 1 / 2 (and presumably winning at it??) with 2350 posts on a poker forum really need to be told that??  :dontask:

lol..I think you've been whooshed mate...in fact..pretty sure of it :)

I ain't never going to pass KK :D

AMEN

we seem to have conflicting advice. do I believe smart money, almost certainly the biggest FR 1/2 NL winner on the internet. or LL who never plays FR cash but does seem to take the internet a little bit too seriously.

???

Terry vs June round 2....

I often read on this forum that you should never limp, never min raise and never fold KK pre.

Only fish do such things.

I think there are situations for all 3, never say never.

Kings? i cant even pass queens

Decisions, decisions...........

i aint going to gukpt brigton with you then

I suppose though if you have a consistent monthly win rate you can afford to fold KK here even if it is the worst decision in the history of poker (it isn't BTW) because you are still making money without this hand.

I think this is the crux of things, Llloyd has not played full ring cash at these levels on the internet. Its hard to believe passing kk preflop is a good idea until you have some experience of playing these game (as Smart Money has more than anyone else) and you start to realise there are nits that will only do this with aa or kk.

Also Lloyd you haven't been here long enough to realise that some threads on this board don't require analysis, it was a bug bear of mine that alot of pointless threads you used to frequent this board but they have lessened to be fair. I just sigh and move on now.

I've been trying to find the sets that I've folded for another thread to make steam come out of LL's ears but you don't seem to be able to filter for them on PT.

pmsl. This is a good fold against this oppo. What do you think a nit wants to jimjam with here? QQ? Get real.

Byron

You should always call pre with KK or you will never be able to make a post entitled "Kings" where you get coolered by Aces in some way.

Oh I see, the point of the thread was the latter of my suspected options:

for the purposes of receiving pats on the back. Well done so. How much do you charge for coaching??

(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3013783/2/istockphoto_3013783_rusty_old_school_bus_from_a_better_day.jpg)

£1 a ride

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 rotflmfao

the sad thing is I've had 3 coaches now and I'm still a complete donkey.

oh well, off to fold some more premiums...

Good pass...

Quality :D

 ;hattip; ;sark;

If you were aware of odds you would realize that  7d 8d is actually in better shape vs Aces than KK so I would be waiting for a hand like this to stack off in this spot. KK will just cost u money in the long run in these spots.

Not quite sure what this means - but I don't think a call here with 7d 8d is going to make you money long-term either... Why do you want to 'stack off' with anything in this spot?

Using Pokerstove shows that 7d 8d is actually a better hand to hold than Kh Kd!

With the Kh Kd

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    81.946%     81.71%    00.23%           8395224        23769.00   { AA }
Hand 1:    18.054%     17.82%    00.23%           1831062        23769.00   { KdKh }

but with 7d 8d

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    77.537%     77.37%    00.17%           7948710        17266.50   { AA }
Hand 1:    22.463%     22.30%    00.17%           2290581        17266.50   { 8d7d }

Either way, I'm folding here.

lol?

slight pause

tries to express it in words

instead settles for

 rotflmfao

just to expand, if we know that the other guy has AA, why are we arguin over what is the better hand to lose money with? it seems like its similar to saying "id rather stick a fork in my thigh then stick it in my eye", when the logical action should be to do neither... unless of course you are trying to bluff out AA preflop, which is prolly likely at full ring.

LOL.

No I was obviously saying shoving with  7d 8d is +EV in this spot cos of odds and stuff.

TAXI !!!

Wow wait what, Im hoping this thread is turning into a massive level. If he only has  Ad Ac here i think we can safely say that passing is the best option no matter what our hand.

I'd consider calling with  Aspades Ahrt

and 83 suited obviously as we know the flop will come 88Q :)