First time for everything

[kinboshi]

This type of thread is really silly. 99.5% of the time this fold is the wrong fold. Maybe 0.5% of total players at any given level only show up with AA here. If you think that the villain is one of these oh so rare of exceptions than fine - the fold is a good fold I guess. But I assume that you therefore have some reason to believe this is the case beyond the generic fact that he raises 3% of his hands preflop (JJ+ AKs).

In any case, posting it up here is pointless. Because the correct advice is to never fold. And if you want to counter that with something specific about this player that people who haven't played against him can't comment on then fine - but it all seems like a fine waste of time to me.

If you believe this opponent only ever shows up with AA here and you were confident enough in that read then why fucking post the hand here? My guess is that either you:

- Aren't actually sure it was the right fold - which means it was the wrong fold;
- And want reassurance that you did the right thing;

OR

- Are sure this was a good fold;
- Want all the "ZOMG YOU'RE SO GOOD - DO YOU COACH?" comments to flood in;

Whichever one it is, know that you are wasting your time and that this is not the way to improve your game.

So you don't agree with the fold here then?

[LuckyLloyd]

This type of thread is really silly. 99.5% of the time this fold is the wrong fold. Maybe 0.5% of total players at any given level only show up with AA here. If you think that the villain is one of these oh so rare of exceptions than fine - the fold is a good fold I guess. But I assume that you therefore have some reason to believe this is the case beyond the generic fact that he raises 3% of his hands preflop (JJ+ AKs).

In any case, posting it up here is pointless. Because the correct advice is to never fold. And if you want to counter that with something specific about this player that people who haven't played against him can't comment on then fine - but it all seems like a fine waste of time to me.

If you believe this opponent only ever shows up with AA here and you were confident enough in that read then why fucking post the hand here? My guess is that either you:

- Aren't actually sure it was the right fold - which means it was the wrong fold;
- And want reassurance that you did the right thing;

OR

- Are sure this was a good fold;
- Want all the "ZOMG YOU'RE SO GOOD - DO YOU COACH?" comments to flood in;

Whichever one it is, know that you are wasting your time and that this is not the way to improve your game.

So you don't agree with the fold here then?

Not getting 117 BBs in preflop with KK in a non satellite / non tournament paybubble situation is TEH LOL.

But does someone playing 1 / 2 (and presumably winning at it??) with 2350 posts on a poker forum really need to be told that?? 

[boldie]

This type of thread is really silly. 99.5% of the time this fold is the wrong fold. Maybe 0.5% of total players at any given level only show up with AA here. If you think that the villain is one of these oh so rare of exceptions than fine - the fold is a good fold I guess. But I assume that you therefore have some reason to believe this is the case beyond the generic fact that he raises 3% of his hands preflop (JJ+ AKs).

In any case, posting it up here is pointless. Because the correct advice is to never fold. And if you want to counter that with something specific about this player that people who haven't played against him can't comment on then fine - but it all seems like a fine waste of time to me.

If you believe this opponent only ever shows up with AA here and you were confident enough in that read then why fucking post the hand here? My guess is that either you:

- Aren't actually sure it was the right fold - which means it was the wrong fold;
- And want reassurance that you did the right thing;

OR

- Are sure this was a good fold;
- Want all the "ZOMG YOU'RE SO GOOD - DO YOU COACH?" comments to flood in;

Whichever one it is, know that you are wasting your time and that this is not the way to improve your game.

So you don't agree with the fold here then?

Not getting 117 BBs in preflop with KK in a non satellite / non tournament paybubble situation is TEH LOL.

But does someone playing 1 / 2 (and presumably winning at it??) with 2350 posts on a poker forum really need to be told that?? 

lol..I think you've been whooshed mate...in fact..pretty sure of it

[ifm]

big difference between folding QQ and KK though...

I ain't never going to pass KK

[Colchester Kev]

big difference between folding QQ and KK though...

I ain't never going to pass KK

AMEN

[byronkincaid]

we seem to have conflicting advice. do I believe smart money, almost certainly the biggest FR 1/2 NL winner on the internet. or LL who never plays FR cash but does seem to take the internet a little bit too seriously.

[Royal Flush]

Terry vs June round 2....

[byronkincaid]

I often read on this forum that you should never limp, never min raise and never fold KK pre.

Only fish do such things.

[ifm]

I often read on this forum that you should never limp, never min raise and never fold KK pre.

Only fish do such things.

I think there are situations for all 3, never say never.

[booder]

big difference between folding QQ and KK though...

I ain't never going to pass KK

Kings? i cant even pass queens

[ifm]

we seem to have conflicting advice. do I believe smart money, almost certainly the biggest FR 1/2 NL winner on the internet. or LL who never plays FR cash but does seem to take the internet a little bit too seriously.

Decisions, decisions...........

[Ironside]

big difference between folding QQ and KK though...

I ain't never going to pass KK

Kings? i cant even pass queens

i aint going to gukpt brigton with you then

[ifm]

we seem to have conflicting advice. do I believe smart money, almost certainly the biggest FR 1/2 NL winner on the internet. or LL who never plays FR cash but does seem to take the internet a little bit too seriously.

Decisions, decisions...........

I suppose though if you have a consistent monthly win rate you can afford to fold KK here even if it is the worst decision in the history of poker (it isn't BTW) because you are still making money without this hand.

[Longy]

we seem to have conflicting advice. do I believe smart money, almost certainly the biggest FR 1/2 NL winner on the internet. or LL who never plays FR cash but does seem to take the internet a little bit too seriously.

I think this is the crux of things, Llloyd has not played full ring cash at these levels on the internet. Its hard to believe passing kk preflop is a good idea until you have some experience of playing these game (as Smart Money has more than anyone else) and you start to realise there are nits that will only do this with aa or kk.

Also Lloyd you haven't been here long enough to realise that some threads on this board don't require analysis, it was a bug bear of mine that alot of pointless threads you used to frequent this board but they have lessened to be fair. I just sigh and move on now.

[byronkincaid]

I've been trying to find the sets that I've folded for another thread to make steam come out of LL's ears but you don't seem to be able to filter for them on PT.