Title: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:00:37 AM Played in a tourny over the christmas period, got knocked out in 11th with 144 runners, taking home, just 310.00 (when the buy in was 250) doesnt seem worth it for nearly 7 hours of poker... but was a good experience playing against different styles of players, espcially getting value out of tight players, when im a loose aggressive player.
Sitting there on the final 2 tables, Im getting short stacked... have 12 x the big blinds, currently at 2000/4000 and going up in 17 minutes. Im in the big blind, and I look down at Pocket 6's, Bloke under the gun (Who is like granite a complete rock and went on to win the tourny, raised it to 9000 (5000 for me to call) now im putting him on J's, or Q's or K's as Aces I have seen him move all in alot in the past with and obviously worried someone is playing Ace Rag... Folded to small blind who calls... so we have a raiser a caller and me on pocket 6's, Check my cards spend 30 seconds thinking and call... 27000 in the pot (including my BB and calling the 5k on top) So im sitting there with 39,000 left... FLOP... 2s, 6c, Th SB Checks, I raise, 13,5000 (half the pot) the original under the gun raiser, pushes all in (putting me all in and out if I lose) SB folds... I have 25,500 left, Have already invested 22,500 in the pot, and will be super small stack so will be going out within a few hands (Unless I pick up a monster next hand and get 3 callers), Pot being 105,000, yep makes me 3rd chip leader and being able to tighten up and play premium hands to the final table. So yep I call... He shows Kings, So Im in the lead and my set holds up. So I have taken a pot down 105k... Was I right to call the re raise, even though, I know im behind, and Im either hitting a set and folding on the flop... (Not to sure on this one) 4 HANDS LATER... I have Aces, In 2nd to last position, It gets raised, re raised and all in before it gets to me, I know im in front and this point, but im worried about them holding up, And im hoping all 3 are playing either suited connectors or high card mid card low, AK etc and im not running into a pair or something which hits a set... So yes Im all in and then notice someone has me covered (BB)... BB calls, and the re raiser is all in and the original raiser folds... ME: Ahrt, Ac BB: 7h, 8h (announced they are suited and im getting short) RAISER: Ad, Th FLOP 4h, 6h and 9h - BB Has a flush, Im miles behind and have to hit a heart to take the pot down (not 5h but I dont notice this at this point) TURN Tc - BB hits a straight to make me even further behind, have to hit a Heart to win... RIVER 5h - Ive shouted yes, having a nut flush and then someone laughs yep the big blind, saying bye mate, Straight flush, I didnt notice, was well upset about it too... Now am I Right, Pushing all in when I could of climed the ladder for free, unless the pot splits, oh did I play this right to go to the final table in total domination chip stack wise or should I have let 2 people battle it out and like i say climb the ladder. Opinions on both hands would be cool. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: totalise on January 07, 2008, 11:03:17 AM I would be willing to commit all of my chips in both of these situations
Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:05:08 AM I would be willing to commit all of my chips in both of these situations Thats what I thought... Did'nt think it was a bad play myself... But always good to see others thoughts etc. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: LeKnave on January 07, 2008, 11:05:15 AM Hand 1: 24K in the middle and 5K to u, just under 5/1 to call pre + the implied odds of the rest of his stack if u flop a set, call all day long
Hand 2: If your considering folding AA here you're in a game much to big for you, fist pump it all in. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: TightEnd on January 07, 2008, 11:08:16 AM hand 2, win the hand you probably win the tournament. Got to go in
hand 1 I think you are talking about calling the raise pre-flop? (as post flop you aren't passing at any point) With only 12x bb its all-in or fold for me pre-flop..you haven't got the pot odds to hit your set (though we could discuss implied odds I suppose) or the stack to play down the streets Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:09:10 AM Hand 1: 24K in the middle and 5K to u, just under 5/1 to call pre + the implied odds of the rest of his stack if u flop a set, call all day long Hand 2: If your considering folding AA here you're in a game much to big for you, fist pump it all in. No im not considering folding A'A was just thinking about the ladder and stuff, but ohwell was my big tourny buy in to date and cashed, then won a few quid playing 3 card in the casino, so not the worst thing in the world... Made the right move by all standards then? Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:10:55 AM hand 2, win the hand you probably win the tournament. Got to go in hand 1 I think you are talking about calling the raise pre-flop? (as post flop you aren't passing at any point) With only 12x bb its all-in or fold for me pre-flop..you haven't got the pot odds to hit your set (though we could discuss implied odds I suppose) or the stack to play down the streets Yep most definatly your correct there... Im talking Pre Flop... No way im laying down on the flop... But honestly, I think this rock would fold K' K or something like that... I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: totalise on January 07, 2008, 11:11:34 AM yup, unlucky on losing, its always a tough blow when you go out of a tournament in unfortunate circumstances, especially when you have forked out a sum that would make it sting, but try not to concentrate on laddering in tournaments, trying to eek up the ladder is a really good way of ensuring a really small payout, go for the glory and the big payout, and try and steal all the chips from the people trying to ladder!
Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: ChipRich on January 07, 2008, 11:12:44 AM Most standard hands ever IMO
Hand 1: your always calling the 5k more with those pot odds, then especially if your read on him is correct to have a big pair and if you hit your set you can double up. Then hand 2, your always calling. Just unlucky. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: TightEnd on January 07, 2008, 11:13:17 AM hand 2, win the hand you probably win the tournament. Got to go in hand 1 I think you are talking about calling the raise pre-flop? (as post flop you aren't passing at any point) With only 12x bb its all-in or fold for me pre-flop..you haven't got the pot odds to hit your set (though we could discuss implied odds I suppose) or the stack to play down the streets Yep most definatly your correct there... Im talking Pre Flop... No way im laying down on the flop... But honestly, I think this rock would fold K' K or something like that... I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... given that read, I like the push with 66. ignoring the fact that as played you hit your set obv. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: LeKnave on January 07, 2008, 11:13:58 AM Made the right move by all standards then? Yes. If you held up with AA then this hand probably wouldn't be being discussed and ud be sat there with a decent chunk in your pocket. Just unlucky. You got it all in with a huge shot at a monster pot, can't complain at that. ps. welcome to blonde ;welcome; Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: totalise on January 07, 2008, 11:14:50 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: boldie on January 07, 2008, 11:19:31 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! I'm just waiting for Flushy and LuckyLloyd to come along and read that :) ;popcorn; Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:21:08 AM Most standard hands ever IMO Hand 1: your always calling the 5k more with those pot odds, then especially if your read on him is correct to have a big pair and if you hit your set you can double up. Then hand 2, your always calling. Just unlucky. Thanks everyone, SO where would the best place to go, to play against the members of Blonde! I Have had a few good tournys this year online, 1 win and a cash, in two 180 runner $22 sit n go's, im just setting up a blog now to follow my progress of 2008 You know his playing J's, Q's or K's unless He is all in with A's... He had J's, Flop Comes, J, 8, 8, His hit his house, but bloke who raised pre flop, hit the quads he showed his house and said i know im behind... and yep... Monstered! Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:21:51 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! I'm just waiting for Flushy and LuckyLloyd to come along and read that :) ;popcorn; Why? Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: TightEnd on January 07, 2008, 11:22:43 AM but of course James and Lloyd being the sensible, helpful people they are will appreciate that this is a new member who we are happy to see on blonde and will give constructive advice
/:-| Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: LeKnave on January 07, 2008, 11:24:14 AM SO where would the best place to go, to play against the members of Blonde! dt (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload)d (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload) or the next blondebash. which may actually be at dt (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload)d (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload), so dt (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload)d (http://www.dtdpoker.com/aff/BlonditesDownload). Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:25:14 AM but of course James and Lloyd being the sensible, helpful people they are will appreciate that this is a new member who we are happy to see on blonde and will give constructive advice /:-| All advice is welcome, I have been playing live for a year now and anything to improve my game is welcome... I have noticed Ipod has helped me alot, Keep me interested and not taking walks off now and again getting bored... LeKnave, Thanks mate, Anyone from the Essex area heading up there? Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: TightEnd on January 07, 2008, 11:29:08 AM Thanks everyone, SO where would the best place to go, to play against the members of Blonde! apart from live you can also play against many blondes on our cardroom..leagues, competitions, private cash tables take a look round the site and if you want to know more just ask Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: boldie on January 07, 2008, 11:29:34 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! I'm just waiting for Flushy and LuckyLloyd to come along and read that :) ;popcorn; Why? Because if you can't go broke when you've hit your full house you are not making as much of your opportunities as you should. The nut FH is always an all in in Hold Em..unless you're Jennifer Tilly on High stakes poker. I would dare bet that laying down monsters is not uncommon for this guy and that therefore he is probably losing more money when he makes laydowns than he saves making those laydowns. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:33:01 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! I'm just waiting for Flushy and LuckyLloyd to come along and read that :) ;popcorn; Why? Because if you can't go broke when you've hit your full house you are not making as much of your opportunities as you should. The nut FH is always an all in in Hold Em..unless you're Jennifer Tilly on High stakes poker. I would dare bet that laying down monsters is not uncommon for this guy and that therefore he is probably losing more money when he makes laydowns than he saves making those laydowns. You maybe correct, But he cashes every week, So must do something right, He is one of them players that never runs into a monster! Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: boldie on January 07, 2008, 11:35:05 AM Quote I have seen him lay down a House on the flop... Correctly putting someone on Quads... Really good player... wow he sounds it, it takes a really skilled pokerist to correctly fold a full house and avoid losing all of his chips to quads! I'm just waiting for Flushy and LuckyLloyd to come along and read that :) ;popcorn; Why? Because if you can't go broke when you've hit your full house you are not making as much of your opportunities as you should. The nut FH is always an all in in Hold Em..unless you're Jennifer Tilly on High stakes poker. I would dare bet that laying down monsters is not uncommon for this guy and that therefore he is probably losing more money when he makes laydowns than he saves making those laydowns. You maybe correct, But he cashes every week, So must do something right, He is one of them players that never runs into a monster! that doesn't mean he wins as much as he can though..there's a big difference between cashing regularly and winning regularly with the way the payout strcture is in most tourneys cashing regularly doesn't get you as much money as winning occasionally. I'm not saying he's a bad player..I am saying that laying down the Nut Full house is a bad move 99.99% of the time. Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:37:13 AM Yeah I suppose, Made a good call, to Fold all in and out tho really...
All good though! Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: ChipRich on January 07, 2008, 11:37:42 AM Yeah, id call within about 0.0001 seconds. Then complain to everyone about how bad i run later etccc.
Id rather burn than fold that in any spot in any tournament. Id be happy to go broke there 100% of the time. And if hes folding that there, he's going to be folding a lot of other big hands when hes actually winning. Welcome to Blonde also, gl with ur blog and poker in 2008 Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: LeKnave on January 07, 2008, 11:44:38 AM unless you're Jennifer Tilly on High stakes poker come on boldie, surely you've cringed at it enough times, it was poker after dark! ok, 1 more time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6pRtlDslY Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 11:49:37 AM Yeah, id call within about 0.0001 seconds. Then complain to everyone about how bad i run later etccc. Id rather burn than fold that in any spot in any tournament. Id be happy to go broke there 100% of the time. And if hes folding that there, he's going to be folding a lot of other big hands when hes actually winning. Welcome to Blonde also, gl with ur blog and poker in 2008 Thanks, Ill put a link to my blog on here, when I have the chance! Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: boldie on January 07, 2008, 11:50:33 AM unless you're Jennifer Tilly on High stakes poker come on boldie, surely you've cringed at it enough times, it was poker after dark! ok, 1 more time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6pRtlDslY oh yeah.....still gives me shudders that (and not the good kind) Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: LuckyLloyd on January 07, 2008, 03:05:35 PM Anyone who can correctly put his opponent on a hand like quads and fold the nut full house is God like IMO. Fold it face - up for extra immortality points.
Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: boldie on January 07, 2008, 03:27:13 PM Anyone who can correctly put his opponent on a hand like quads and fold the nut full house is God like IMO. Fold it face - up for extra immortality points. lmao Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: gatso on January 07, 2008, 03:53:46 PM oh how I love Ivey's face at the end of that clip.
in fairness to ms Tilly, she only had the 3rd nuts, it wasn't even the nut FH. back to the OP, standard play, nothing wrong. the AA hand is just a cooler, nowt you can do about that Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: Jaydeaa on January 07, 2008, 04:13:21 PM Anyone who can correctly put his opponent on a hand like quads and fold the nut full house is God like IMO. Fold it face - up for extra immortality points. Yep, Im sure he is like god, and borrows peoples eyes or something when they view the cards, I hate being on his table early on, As when he plays... You know you need to hit something bit to take down the pot... I took down a pot against him once... I have A (h) and K (h) he has J (c) and J (d)... Flop comes 10 (d), Q (c), 2 (d) Im glad he checked as I put him on Queens to be honest... Trying to get value... J (h) on the turn... He pushes 3000 into a 1200 pot and I have 7000 behind (was a £30 1 rebuy night starting with 3000) this was just before the break and add on... I see it as a massive over raise, putting him on a set... I push my 7k in he calls and the river is nothing he said, I put you on K, Q... So he is always close... if not bang on... Oh I was lucky he didnt knock me out a £100 freezeout the other week (after 16 minutes with 7,000 starting chips and 45 min clock)... Ive flopped nut flush... and he has hit straight flush... but think im behind as he is calling me to the river... so i only smooth call his re raise on the river... So glad about that... Oh well... poker is a fun game... Really glad i have my love back for it... Ended up coming 2nd cashing 900 Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: scotty2hatty on January 07, 2008, 04:20:21 PM Ivey's face is classic. It's the 5th nuts she has.
Title: Re: Recent Tourny - Hand Analysis - Final 14 Post by: gatso on January 07, 2008, 04:24:51 PM Ivey's face is classic. It's the 5th nuts she has. you're quite right, my bad. |