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your playing is a £20 rebuy freezeout stage.
blinds are 500/1000 and its the start of the FT
only top 3 get paid
9 players left
average stack about 23-25k
you are on life support with 6,700

first hand you are drawn 2UTG
UTG folds

what do you need to move all in

i am assuming nearly any 2

nearly any 2

I'd push with any connecting cards and anything over J high.  If you don't push now, you're pretty much committed to pushing next hand.

Any two at all, but I'm crap so what do I know.

i dont push with any 2 here why ? you have somehow got down that far i wouldnt of let myself but once you do you might as well see what happends now and waite for a hand if you dont get one your in on the high blind anyway, but i def dont push with any 2 now you have waited so long

I dont push with ANY 2 here TBH-providing there are no antes I think you have just enough to let the blinds pass once and if you have garbage surely you would want to wait for a better spot-you have a fair amount of players behind you and you are only going to get called by a very good hand- at the very best you'll have 2 live cards and at worst will be a huge dog, I'd push any premiums, 88-JJ, A10s-AJ and possibly 89s, 910s, depending on the table,

23o+

what if you just got your aces cracked the hand before breaking for the FT in a 60k pot

so you would pay 1500 knocking yourself down to 5200 which means that you need to get a premium hand in the next orbit as the blinds would more than likely go up soon (£20 rebuys normally have a fast clock) and you wouldnt have enough to get past the blinds if you try a push from LP

I hate the idea of pushing ATC in 2nd position in the first hand of a FT. 
I know its what we all say we should do but sometime i'd rather wait and let the round pass me I might pick up a hand or a better hand in the next few hands and even if I dont I give myself the option to push into any unopened pot from a later position.

Regards a rquirement for shoving in this position I am probably looking at J9+ suited connectors K7+ A7+

yes I would- i'm not saying a premium hand- they key term is "ANY 2 cards" I wont push with-I would much rather wait for a better spot- but only just- I think if the blinds take me to below 5k I would be pushing! I will be pushing within probably the next 5 or 6 hands anyway but I'd rather wait on a better spot to try and doouble up- even if it means only getting up to 10.4k instaead of 13.4k. And like Bandit says I dont think you can discount the stealing possibilities of late position. I just dont like pushing with ANY 2 when you will have a full table behind you

my range is wider than that

Another adavantage of pushing b4 you go through the blinds is that if you double up you have 2 more sets of blinds.  i.e if you have 6 you double to 12 or so, but going thru you only have 9.

well i was pretty much in most peoples range i had QT but intrestingly one person after the game said he would of waited

i would of pushed with any 2 i think

and he would be wrong.

no way in a million years am I not pushing with  Qh Tc here

Nine left with only three paid is pretty harsh structure.

You need at least two double ups to get back into the game and even after your first double up you can't afford to let too many blinds pass you by. Hands that will call you will prob be AJ up and any pair above 8's, with nearly a full table to get round I would push with any two paint or 8's or better. Would fold any aces below A10. Suited connectors might be worth a gamble aswell. You have to push within the next 9 hands or so, so getting anything better than 78 suited might be unlikely.

After my first double up I will be looking to move with any good position as I would now have some fold equity.

Thats just my gut theory, I havn't done any maths on it.

with less than 30 runners its pretty standard

doesnt seem right though - i mean, on 1 table SnGs they'll pay out on top 3 with 9/10 players so one would have thought they'd increase the payout by 1 seat for every table of 9/10 that there is - or am i missing the plot?

 10% of the fied paid is standard...in fact it's not even worth it if they pay more than 4 in this case.

I would wait for position.  Depending on the chip stacks u are facing when you are on the button, u might be able to pick up the blinds to give you another orbit or give anyone behind u the chance to pick up a hand.

IMHO 6-15 players top three paid, 16-30 players top four paid, 31+ top 10% rounded up. I would reluctantly play a 30 seater with only top 3 paid. But thats just my preferences.

^^^ totally agree

I push any 2 the next hand, this hand i am pushing with say top 65% of hands.

I can pass this hand (not with QT though) range is prob J8s 67s 78s etc, two pictures, K9+, QT+

I can pass my blinds too, wait for unopened once they have gone through and dont even look or a monster - whichever comes first..

^^^^^^^^

That.

Btw, if only three players get paid - then the fact that we are at a final table is irrelevant. "I made the final table". "I finished in the top third of the field" = "I LOST".

In order to win we need to get the chips in and get doubled up. For the squemish, when in a situation where you need to put it in with any two don't look at your cards. Just lift them up off the felt and pretend to look at them!

And finally, if I had my way, tournaments would only pay the top 5% max.