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GUKPT London. Hero 14k, villain 12k. Hero has been active but shown down little, table is all happy and fun with plenty of banter. Villain is totally unknown quantity, asian young bloke with PKR bb hat indicative of an online qualifier.

Blinds 50/100.

Nik Levi opens for 250 in mp (7k stack). Folded to hero in SB who rr to 850 w  Kd Ks.
Villain (BB) literally turns round and stares me up and down before calling after a pause.
MP folds. HU pot.

Flop brings  9c 9h 7s

Hero bets 1350. Villain min-raises to 2700 total. Hero calls.

Turn  6c

Hero check calls 3k.

River  Jc.

Hero check calls 3k.

Analysis on pre and all streets please. Ill give my reasoning after discussion so as not to sway thoughts.

Line seems fine. Though you're only beating QQ on the river.

He has read your soul ldo.  Check fold flop.



I think the whole thing really depends on whether he overplays QQ as it looks like that or AA, so your probably not "losing" anything if he does.  

Fine. How I would play it.

I like how you played it, though you are rarely good by the river. Its a pot odds call.

re - reraise to 6k on the flop.

get ready to shovel it all in if need be.

Why?

why not?

Because he passes all the hands that you beat.

and let him catch up with hands that aren't beating you?

Flushy pops another hard-boiled quail's egg into his mouth and considers his response......

Yes he only has 2 outs.

and if he hits one then you are more or less out of the comp.

Not better to take it there and then? over 6k in the pot.

surely better than losing 10k.

So you're worried about the roughly 8% of the time he gets our stack as opposed to the roughly 92% we get most of his?

not worried about it but not giving him the chance to catch up. am running bad at the mo and everything that can happen to me generally does at the moment. i stull push back on the flop tho.

That's where running bad and playing bad intersect.


Yes winning 6k is better than losing 10k, winning 16k though is even better.

Ok, my thoughts on the hand. I have zero info on this guy and no idea of how he plays. I automatically thought he was just another easily readable player who would be simple to extract from. Totally forgot id be oop on every street which sucks.

Preflop its pretty clear he has a big hand, although im certain he doesnt flat here w AA. On the flop i was so certain his range is 1010-QQ (more heavily to JJ/QQ) that i can peel, peel and set up a river CR unless a J/Q hits. On the river its a bit sick as i only beat 1010/QQ now that JJ filled so elect to just call.

The danger of playing a hand oop versus an unknown quantity was shown here sadly, possibly results orientated but i feel i should prolly c/r the turn rather than flat call, especially as it was in that fragile stage of the tournament where this hand is key to my progress in the early stages. Mateyboy held  Ac Kc fwiw, made a move on me on the flop (i assume putting me on a similar holding) and from then on semibluffed the turn/value-towned me. Felt a bit rough as it felt like i was beat on the river but imagined JJ would prolly bet slightly more for value.

I think given situation c/r turn possibly holds more value given tournament nature, but possibly im just pissed at a blip on the poker radar.

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

sigh

did u minraise the flop to induce a shove on the flop or to check raise the turn?  or didnt it matter. imo You were planning on C/R the turn but his 3k bet looked a lil suspicious and you decided to play it safe and check call.

I personally like the C/R on the turn but i prob raise to like 3200 on the flop putting villain on TT,JJ,QQ and hoping he makes a bad shove. Tbh mate, if he misses his FD on the river he'sprobably betting closer to 5k and you pick up a nice pot, but at the time of the turn being oop im happy to take the pot as it is huge compared to your stack size at the time.

Never change your poker outlook. You'll go far.

helpful as always

Thanks, I do try. Results orientated much?

ul Alex, the argument between CR'ing turn and check calling to check call river is pretty marginal, you make more money by check calling but there is less variance.

never actually, but you were 50/50 so unlucky ;)

? please read action m8. HE min raised the flop! I think its thin but a CR on turn is probably better as i dont want to give 1010 a shot at an oosd or 6 outs to JJ.

i didnt think you were a minraiser :-)  glasses duly on!

As i have never played the GUKPT yet, i would most lkely have hated the flop felt like goin all in on the turn but bottled it the just call the river to which go an cry in the corner for a while ul ne way m8 

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, I don't think he flat calls with AA pre with a player to act behind. His play pre and on the flop is poor, unless he has 1010-QQ. If he does have AA he's a complete donk and you would have been very unlucky.

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.

So you want to scare off the worse hands now so that they don't outdraw you later?

i C/R turn. i dont want a scare card to hit and kill my river value. it is pretty tight tho

No, I want him to make a mistake by calling with a worse hand like 1010-QQ and AK, which, following the line is what I put him on (bar maybe AK) but at the same time I'm not making it cheap either when I don't have position.

all worse hands fold with this line benny, unless opponent is a complete drooler. You dont facilitate him making an easy mistake, you make it easier for him to play optimally.


Yeah.
I think c/r turn is the right play given stack sizes, vulnerablility of hand (oop v unknown) and stage of tournament.

raise more pre. Shove flop pray he doesn't have a 9 or 77.

Can't let those 2 outers hit all the time its bad play.

His flat call of a re-raise pre-flop (especially with the original raiser still to act) and then a min-raise on the flop is very weak play IMO so there is a chance he could pay you off with a lower pocket pair. I'm not saying you played the flop incorrectly this is just how I'd play it if I was OOP and how the guy has bet so far.