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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 09:23:24 PM »


not worried about it but not giving him the chance to catch up. am running bad at the mo and everything that can happen to me generally does at the moment. i stull push back on the flop tho.

That's where running bad and playing bad intersect.

and if he hits one then you are more or less out of the comp.

Not better to take it there and then? over 6k in the pot.

surely better than losing 10k.

Yes winning 6k is better than losing 10k, winning 16k though is even better.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 11:49:40 PM »

Ok, my thoughts on the hand. I have zero info on this guy and no idea of how he plays. I automatically thought he was just another easily readable player who would be simple to extract from. Totally forgot id be oop on every street which sucks.

Preflop its pretty clear he has a big hand, although im certain he doesnt flat here w AA. On the flop i was so certain his range is 1010-QQ (more heavily to JJ/QQ) that i can peel, peel and set up a river CR unless a J/Q hits. On the river its a bit sick as i only beat 1010/QQ now that JJ filled so elect to just call.

The danger of playing a hand oop versus an unknown quantity was shown here sadly, possibly results orientated but i feel i should prolly c/r the turn rather than flat call, especially as it was in that fragile stage of the tournament where this hand is key to my progress in the early stages. Mateyboy held  fwiw, made a move on me on the flop (i assume putting me on a similar holding) and from then on semibluffed the turn/value-towned me. Felt a bit rough as it felt like i was beat on the river but imagined JJ would prolly bet slightly more for value.

I think given situation c/r turn possibly holds more value given tournament nature, but possibly im just pissed at a blip on the poker radar.
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 01:42:32 AM »

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2008, 01:46:15 AM »

did u minraise the flop to induce a shove on the flop or to check raise the turn?  or didnt it matter. imo You were planning on C/R the turn but his 3k bet looked a lil suspicious and you decided to play it safe and check call.

I personally like the C/R on the turn but i prob raise to like 3200 on the flop putting villain on TT,JJ,QQ and hoping he makes a bad shove. Tbh mate, if he misses his FD on the river he'sprobably betting closer to 5k and you pick up a nice pot, but at the time of the turn being oop im happy to take the pot as it is huge compared to your stack size at the time.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 01:54:03 AM »

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2008, 02:32:46 AM »

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

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helpful as always
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2008, 02:35:38 AM »

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

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helpful as always

Thanks, I do try. Results orientated much?
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2008, 05:24:55 AM »

ul Alex, the argument between CR'ing turn and check calling to check call river is pretty marginal, you make more money by check calling but there is less variance.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 06:08:48 AM »

so you played it like flushy and went skint?

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helpful as always

Thanks, I do try. Results orientated much?

never actually, but you were 50/50 so unlucky Wink
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 09:07:23 PM »

did u minraise the flop to induce a shove on the flop or to check raise the turn?  or didnt it matter. imo You were planning on C/R the turn but his 3k bet looked a lil suspicious and you decided to play it safe and check call.

I personally like the C/R on the turn but i prob raise to like 3200 on the flop putting villain on TT,JJ,QQ and hoping he makes a bad shove. Tbh mate, if he misses his FD on the river he'sprobably betting closer to 5k and you pick up a nice pot, but at the time of the turn being oop im happy to take the pot as it is huge compared to your stack size at the time.


? please read action m8. HE min raised the flop! I think its thin but a CR on turn is probably better as i dont want to give 1010 a shot at an oosd or 6 outs to JJ.
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2008, 01:22:14 PM »

i didnt think you were a minraiser :-)  glasses duly on!
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2008, 10:06:39 AM »

As i have never played the GUKPT yet, i would most lkely have hated the flop felt like goin all in on the turn but bottled it the just call the river to which go an cry in the corner for a while ul ne way m8 
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2008, 09:57:30 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, I don't think he flat calls with AA pre with a player to act behind. His play pre and on the flop is poor, unless he has 1010-QQ. If he does have AA he's a complete donk and you would have been very unlucky.
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2008, 12:59:29 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2008, 07:43:08 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.
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