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Title: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Azirapheal on March 17, 2008, 07:35:47 AM Well im curious to know how you guys feel about and act when tipping a dealer at the poker tables. if you could spare a few keystrokes to click an option and write a sentence or two below about your ideas and thoughts on tipping dealers id be rather grateful..
many thanks az Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Karabiner on March 17, 2008, 09:10:29 AM Small pots: No tip
Medium sized pots £50<£150: £1 (maybe not at the lower[£50] end if I'm losing) Large pots £250+: £2(maybe only £1 if I'm losing or £3 if I'm winning well) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 09:12:28 AM I also tip if it's a decent-sized pot.
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Tom_W on March 17, 2008, 09:59:18 AM For the small pots I don’t tip unless I win say 3 in quick succession.
I tip for the bigger pots; the tip size varies on just how big the pot is. £1.50 on average. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 10:01:52 AM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all.
it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jaydeaa on March 17, 2008, 10:07:07 AM My cash games, in the rendevouz and mint southend are player dealt so obviously this does not come into it and its £2 a hour in rendevouz or £5 with a dealer (but never available) and £5 per hour in mint
I play at a place called on the river, in grays and after reading this i have come up with a bit of a strange theory. Being one cash table, its starts at 50p/1quid and at 10pm goes to 1/2 and then the dealer is tipped all the 25p chips, usuaally at least 15 quids worth, should i ask them to change them into pound chips for me? or am i a nasty bastard as all the dealers are mates of mine lol! Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 10:44:23 AM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all. it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Not a fan of tipping then shorty? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Moskvich on March 17, 2008, 10:45:46 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..?
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 10:48:43 AM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all. it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Not a fan of tipping then shorty? lol..I always tip..I just don't like the "you have to tip or you should be put to the stake because those poor little dealers will starve to death otherwise. F' em..let the get a different job if they don't make enough money dealing..or go work for a place that does pay a decent wage. Do I have to tip the cleaning lady at my office for doing a good job? I'm pretty sure she's struggling to make ends meet as she has 3 different jobs. I just can't believe casinos have gotten the players to accept that it's us that should be paying the dealers and valets a decent wage. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 10:53:35 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 10:55:40 AM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all. it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Not a fan of tipping then shorty? lol..I always tip..I just don't like the "you have to tip or you should be put to the stake because those poor little dealers will starve to death otherwise. F' em..let the get a different job if they don't make enough money dealing..or go work for a place that does pay a decent wage. Do I have to tip the cleaning lady at my office for doing a good job? I'm pretty sure she's struggling to make ends meet as she has 3 different jobs. I just can't believe casinos have gotten the players to accept that it's us that should be paying the dealers and valets a decent wage. Do you ever tip waiters and waitresses or taxi drivers? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 11:08:51 AM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all. it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Not a fan of tipping then shorty? lol..I always tip..I just don't like the "you have to tip or you should be put to the stake because those poor little dealers will starve to death otherwise. F' em..let the get a different job if they don't make enough money dealing..or go work for a place that does pay a decent wage. Do I have to tip the cleaning lady at my office for doing a good job? I'm pretty sure she's struggling to make ends meet as she has 3 different jobs. I just can't believe casinos have gotten the players to accept that it's us that should be paying the dealers and valets a decent wage. Do you ever tip waiters and waitresses or taxi drivers? yes..and , Like I said, I also tip dealers. BUT it should not be expected!..It really shouldn't be that difficult to comprehend. If you are not winning at the table why should you give someone more of your money? If you also have bills to pay at home from your money you shouldn't feel bad about not giving someone else more of your money. I feel the same should go for when you buy a cup of coffee somewhere. Just because people in other industries are also becoming accustomed to having to rely on tips to make ends meet that does not mean it's normal! Really, when did people start to think "Hey, you know what..it's OK if everybody makes a shitty wage as long as everybody tips eachother it will all be OK" ? The price of my taxi has not gone down in recent years..in fact it has gone up because the price of fuel went up..Why then would the drivers salary go down? Because it is expected that they make most of their money from tips..so the companies can skim just that little bit more off their salaries. It's a load of bollox, it really really is. I think it's pityful how in America a waitress will really not make ends meet without tips, Brittain is fast heading in the same direction because for some reason people don't mind getting shafted. And then I get the blame for not tipping enough? GFY TYVM. I will state again to avoid any confusion..Yes I do tip BUT you really shouldn't have to do it so the dealer can make ends meet..you should do it so he can buy himself an extra drink or so. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 11:11:55 AM (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/04/17/nhappy17.jpg)
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: MrsBoldie on March 17, 2008, 11:13:01 AM (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/04/17/nhappy17.jpg) Have you been stalking my husband? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Moskvich on March 17, 2008, 11:17:21 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 11:21:06 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I'm in the wrong friggin job. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: littlemissC on March 17, 2008, 11:24:00 AM i always tip.even if its only a pound(as you well know az,lol) but you are my favourite so i tip you the most
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: LLevan on March 17, 2008, 11:26:00 AM Lets open another can of worms:
Do unlicenced premises such as Gutshot, Equal Chance, Western etc pay their dealers and valets an hourly wage or are the staff expected to earn a living out of tips gained. We all know that in casinos staff are paid an hourly wage and don't rely on tips and I would assume that the recently opened DTD club pays their staff too. I remember playing in spielers and private games years ago when the staff did not get a share of the rake but earnt their wages by tips and most of them earnt a very nice hourly wage if they put the hours in, presumably tax free too(another can of worms just been opened lol). Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jon MW on March 17, 2008, 11:31:08 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I think the amount dealers get paid can vary quite a bit, but one thing which Boldie touched on in one of his posts is that there is a fundamental difference between somebody earning minimum wage in Britain to earning the minimum wage in America. In the States the minimum wage really isn't enough to live on, but in Britain it is. It might not leave you with much spare cash, but it means that if you don't tip in Britain nobody's going to go hungry or not pay their rent. With all the talk of casinos and card rooms paying their staff properly it's best not to forget that they're not consigning them to poverty by paying the minimum wage to the lowest earners. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 11:32:52 AM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DTD, the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: M3boy on March 17, 2008, 11:44:28 AM I do tip - and tipping is a sore subject at the moment lol (See Equal Chance thread)
BUT - I dont think anyone that doesnt tip should be treated differently in any way to someone who does. It is upto the individual to choose to do with his/her money as he/she sees fit. I have no idea what dealers get paid, I would imagine it is not very much - I think it is wrong of dealers to rely on tips to boost their wage, I really do. Treat them as a bonus. If you are unhappy with the level of wage, find another job. Also, look at the knowledge/skill which dealers pick up when dealing - a great way to learn poker no? Maybe the dealers should be tipping the players for the knowledge they gain?!? lol Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: WarBwastard on March 17, 2008, 12:07:03 PM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. The DTD tournament dealers are tipped as you're 'obliged' to give 3% of your winnings should you cash. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 12:08:25 PM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. The DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) tournament dealers are tipped as you're 'obliged' to give 3% of your winnings should you cash. really? Is that after your pay out or is that taken out of the prizepool? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: WarBwastard on March 17, 2008, 12:15:21 PM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. After your payout. The DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) tournament dealers are tipped as you're 'obliged' to give 3% of your winnings should you cash. really? Is that after your pay out or is that taken out of the prizepool? After the payout. Perhaps obliged it not the right word, but once the idea of tipping the dealers is suggested by the TD, not just at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) I generally feel obliged as it's preferable to being looked at as a tight git. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jaydeaa on March 17, 2008, 12:15:33 PM Lets open another can of worms: Do unlicenced premises such as Gutshot, Equal Chance, Western etc pay their dealers and valets an hourly wage or are the staff expected to earn a living out of tips gained. We all know that in casinos staff are paid an hourly wage and don't rely on tips and I would assume that the recently opened DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) club pays their staff too. I remember playing in spielers and private games years ago when the staff did not get a share of the rake but earnt their wages by tips and most of them earnt a very nice hourly wage if they put the hours in, presumably tax free too(another can of worms just been opened lol). If your on about spielers in Southend, Now MINT all of there valet's are on tips only basis! Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 12:28:36 PM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. After your payout. The DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) tournament dealers are tipped as you're 'obliged' to give 3% of your winnings should you cash. really? Is that after your pay out or is that taken out of the prizepool? After the payout. Perhaps obliged it not the right word, but once the idea of tipping the dealers is suggested by the TD, not just at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) I generally feel obliged as it's preferable to being looked at as a tight git. ah OK.. If the TD only stands up and says "BTW guys, if you want to leave tip it's greatly appreciated and 3% is about the norm" I think he's doing most people a favour as most would tip more than 3% simply because they don't know how much to tip. I have no problem with people suggesting it.much prefer it to just taking a % out of the prizepool to be honest. I also have no problem with being percieved as a tight git though :) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: vegaslover on March 17, 2008, 12:42:53 PM to be honest..that is one of the worst articles I have ever read and would only make me inclined to not tip at all. it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage. Do I get paid more money for doing a decent job? No, I get to keep my job...as does the dealer. A shitty dealer should get the sack..thereby making less than a good one. I always tip when winning, tipping when losing is something that's just not going to happen (unless I'm getting up from a table and find I have have a few £ left so might as well give that to the dealer) and is something that shouldn't be encouraged. Casinos and card rooms should just pay their staff properly and hire the right people..not tell people already spending their money there to make sure the dealers and valets get a decent wage. This entire discussion is really starting to piss me off. Not a fan of tipping then shorty? lol..I always tip..I just don't like the "you have to tip or you should be put to the stake because those poor little dealers will starve to death otherwise. F' em..let the get a different job if they don't make enough money dealing..or go work for a place that does pay a decent wage. Do I have to tip the cleaning lady at my office for doing a good job? I'm pretty sure she's struggling to make ends meet as she has 3 different jobs. I just can't believe casinos have gotten the players to accept that it's us that should be paying the dealers and valets a decent wage. i agree entirely with the whole "poor starving dealers" comment you made boldie. although it is also the case that once you have dealt a few hands at varying levels it is an extremely mudnane task, especially tournaments where it can often be a case of shuffle deal muck muck muck muck muck limp muck call check minbet fold fold it happens alot. personally i can only imagine alot of comps especially in the early stages or near the bubble of a tournament are beyond lethally dull :) at least we can pick up a book and switch off while we wait for a short stack to die. **it's the age old excuse "The rake is for the house, not the dealer" What a load of bollox. I pay rake/ session fees so that the house can pay the dealer a decent wage.** rake and session fees really are for the house, especially in cardroom only venues where 95+% of the running costs of the building and covering the basic wages are covered by the rake itself, it goes on far more than merely paying the dealers better the tips are imho what makes a guy dedicate his working time to ensuring that the player can concentrate on playing for money by operating the mechanics of the game allowing you to daydream or focus on your other players, instead of playing your hand - tracking the pots, ensuring ettiquette is adhered to etc and knowing the rules. all the smaller comps i played at gala were usually dealt by the same group of people that recieved a comped meal from the casino and a couple of bob from each player to compensate for the fact that they were sacrificing their gamel. ive had hell on at other venues where noone wants to deal and pitching cards from the long end of a table and doing everything + playing leads to a grossly detrimental gaming experiance. i found a couple of other online articles earlier which looked at it in better detail than that original one i posted the link to - on about.com - several advocating a different stance and methodology to the practice. at the end of the day tis always each to their own and im finding some of the views to be rather interesting. good to see a broad spectrum willing to speak their minds :) AZ edit : **Do you ever tip waiters and waitresses or taxi drivers?** yes i do, not taxi drivers so much, but i used to be a waiter//bartender, it is always nice to know that someone appreciated your service enough to offer some extra pennies Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Sunday8pm on March 17, 2008, 12:57:14 PM i tip copious amounts wherever i go. poker, taxis, bars, restaurants.
Say a £23 taxi = £30 paid £50 meal = £60 paid I really couldnt give a dogs arse about a few quid. Im a professional poker player, i earn much more than these people. I used to be a waiter when i was ultra young and i appreciate how hard it actually is. With taxis drivers the poor bastards get hit with never ending fuel hikes etc etc so i feel a little sorry for them doing 15 hour shifts to pay for their families. I earn that in no time sitting on my lazy ass busting fish. So i think these people deserve a little tip, especially if it puts a smile on their face and mine :) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: AndrewT on March 17, 2008, 01:05:38 PM If your on about spielers in Southend, Now MINT all of there valet's are on tips only basis! Is that legal? What happened to the minimum wage? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jon MW on March 17, 2008, 01:10:59 PM If your on about spielers in Southend, Now MINT all of there valet's are on tips only basis! Is that legal? What happened to the minimum wage? It can be legal. But it has to comply with the minimum wage, i.e. if the tips a dealer receives end up being lower than the minimum wage then the employers legally have to top it up. In practice I suspect this isn't happening. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ariston on March 17, 2008, 01:15:11 PM If your dealer is doing a good job then tip them (the same you tip other peole in the service industry- waitress,barmaid,taxi driver etc).
The fact it needs to be debated at all surprises me as most peole who sit and play live cash games aren't trying to grind out few bbs an hour like they used to do in rounders etc, the cash games nowadays are very swingy. A good dealer who can control the table and look after the players is gold dust imo. for any of you who think its an easy job sitting on your arse for a few hours i suggest you try dealing a 10 hour stretch and see how your back feels. Then throw in abuse from players who suffer the odd beat, maybe the odd card chuck at your head or deliberately spun at your knuckles. Dont get me wrong some games the dealers will love sitting in if you have the correct players there-there are many tables I would pay to sit and deal at. It is very player dependant and if a dealer goes in work not knowing if he/she is going to have a horrible table or a pleasant one added to the fact some will tip some wont its not a job most of us would want 24/7. Everyone seems to use the argument about well they can find another job, what about the people who work in mcdonalds on minimum wage- do you think that their lifetimes ambition was to work in a burger bar? If everyone went and found another job what would happen to the jobs everyone sees as a shitty? Fact is somebody has to do the job and many dealers actually enjoy what they do (doesnt mean they shouldnt get paid properly for it though) Tipping isnt mandatory but if you have a good dealer whats the harm in chucking them a chip or two whenever you drag a pot? If your dealer isn't up to scratch then don't tip ,same argument as waitress etc where you would only tip if you think they have done a good job although I bet most who stamp their feet about tiping a dealer still tip a waitress if the service is shit because its "expected" and the norm to leave 10% or whatever. I am one who would happily say in a restaurant "no the meals been as bad as the service" when asked the obligitory "is everything ok for you sir", how many of you would just happily say " fine thanks" and leave a tip but then feel irked about chucking a tip to a dealer? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Chili on March 17, 2008, 01:24:15 PM The dealers at Equal Chance only rely on tips for their wage too!
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ItsMrAlex2u on March 17, 2008, 01:36:52 PM i tip copious amounts wherever i go. poker, taxis, bars, restaurants. Say a £23 taxi = £30 paid £50 meal = £60 paid I really couldnt give a dogs arse about a few quid. Im a professional poker player, i earn much more than these people. I used to be a waiter when i was ultra young and i appreciate how hard it actually is. With taxis drivers the poor bastards get hit with never ending fuel hikes etc etc so i feel a little sorry for them doing 15 hour shifts to pay for their families. I earn that in no time sitting on my lazy ass busting fish. So i think these people deserve a little tip, especially if it puts a smile on their face and mine :) ;applause; ;tightend; ;tightend; ;applause; im with you on this Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: GlasgowBandit on March 17, 2008, 01:41:16 PM I tend to tip when I put in a winning session. Sometimes I tip everytime i scoop a nice pot if I am up for the session. If I am not doing so great and grinding it out I tend to wait to the end of the session before tipping.
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: LeKnave on March 17, 2008, 01:50:09 PM i tip copious amounts wherever i go. poker, taxis, bars, restaurants. Say a £23 taxi = £30 paid £50 meal = £60 paid I really couldnt give a dogs arse about a few quid. Im a professional poker player, i earn much more than these people. I used to be a waiter when i was ultra young and i appreciate how hard it actually is. With taxis drivers the poor bastards get hit with never ending fuel hikes etc etc so i feel a little sorry for them doing 15 hour shifts to pay for their families. I earn that in no time sitting on my lazy ass busting fish. So i think these people deserve a little tip, especially if it puts a smile on their face and mine :) (http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9201/wigga1ie1.jpg) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 01:50:55 PM i tip copious amounts wherever i go. poker, taxis, bars, restaurants. Say a £23 taxi = £30 paid £50 meal = £60 paid I really couldnt give a dogs arse about a few quid. Im a professional poker player, i earn much more than these people. I used to be a waiter when i was ultra young and i appreciate how hard it actually is. With taxis drivers the poor bastards get hit with never ending fuel hikes etc etc so i feel a little sorry for them doing 15 hour shifts to pay for their families. I earn that in no time sitting on my lazy ass busting fish. So i think these people deserve a little tip, especially if it puts a smile on their face and mine :) (http://www.veradio.com/blog/serg_ballin.jpg) rotflmfao Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: LeKnave on March 17, 2008, 01:57:34 PM Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Sunday8pm on March 17, 2008, 02:02:55 PM lol superb.
A+ I am quite 'loose' with money though. Just the way i are innit! Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: LLevan on March 17, 2008, 02:06:35 PM The dealers at Equal Chance only rely on tips for their wage too! Do Equal Chance not make enough money out of the rake and tournament fees to pay wages. They choose to work there under those conditions but it still doesn't justify their asking for or expecting tips. If they want to deal for a living they could easily apply for a job within the casino environment where they would be earning a salary. I've nothing against tipping dealers as over the years like I said previously I have played in many spielers and private games and always tipped but it irks me when dealers either expect a tip or advertise what a good job they have done. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 02:26:01 PM If your dealer is doing a good job then tip them (the same you tip other peole in the service industry- waitress,barmaid,taxi driver etc). The fact it needs to be debated at all surprises me as most peole who sit and play live cash games aren't trying to grind out few bbs an hour like they used to do in rounders etc, the cash games nowadays are very swingy. A good dealer who can control the table and look after the players is gold dust imo. for any of you who think its an easy job sitting on your arse for a few hours i suggest you try dealing a 10 hour stretch and see how your back feels. Then throw in abuse from players who suffer the odd beat, maybe the odd card chuck at your head or deliberately spun at your knuckles. Dont get me wrong some games the dealers will love sitting in if you have the correct players there-there are many tables I would pay to sit and deal at. It is very player dependant and if a dealer goes in work not knowing if he/she is going to have a horrible table or a pleasant one added to the fact some will tip some wont its not a job most of us would want 24/7. Everyone seems to use the argument about well they can find another job, what about the people who work in mcdonalds on minimum wage- do you think that their lifetimes ambition was to work in a burger bar? If everyone went and found another job what would happen to the jobs everyone sees as a shitty? Fact is somebody has to do the job and many dealers actually enjoy what they do (doesnt mean they shouldnt get paid properly for it though) Tipping isnt mandatory but if you have a good dealer whats the harm in chucking them a chip or two whenever you drag a pot? If your dealer isn't up to scratch then don't tip ,same argument as waitress etc where you would only tip if you think they have done a good job although I bet most who stamp their feet about tiping a dealer still tip a waitress if the service is shit because its "expected" and the norm to leave 10% or whatever. I am one who would happily say in a restaurant "no the meals been as bad as the service" when asked the obligitory "is everything ok for you sir", how many of you would just happily say " fine thanks" and leave a tip but then feel irked about chucking a tip to a dealer? What about a place like DTD, where the tips are pooled and then split? You're not really tipping the dealer at your table, you're tipping all the dealers (a small amount each time obviously). So the tip isn't an acknowledgement of an individual's good service - it's more of a general tip to all the dealers. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ariston on March 17, 2008, 02:33:21 PM If your dealer is doing a good job then tip them (the same you tip other peole in the service industry- waitress,barmaid,taxi driver etc). The fact it needs to be debated at all surprises me as most peole who sit and play live cash games aren't trying to grind out few bbs an hour like they used to do in rounders etc, the cash games nowadays are very swingy. A good dealer who can control the table and look after the players is gold dust imo. for any of you who think its an easy job sitting on your arse for a few hours i suggest you try dealing a 10 hour stretch and see how your back feels. Then throw in abuse from players who suffer the odd beat, maybe the odd card chuck at your head or deliberately spun at your knuckles. Dont get me wrong some games the dealers will love sitting in if you have the correct players there-there are many tables I would pay to sit and deal at. It is very player dependant and if a dealer goes in work not knowing if he/she is going to have a horrible table or a pleasant one added to the fact some will tip some wont its not a job most of us would want 24/7. Everyone seems to use the argument about well they can find another job, what about the people who work in mcdonalds on minimum wage- do you think that their lifetimes ambition was to work in a burger bar? If everyone went and found another job what would happen to the jobs everyone sees as a shitty? Fact is somebody has to do the job and many dealers actually enjoy what they do (doesnt mean they shouldnt get paid properly for it though) Tipping isnt mandatory but if you have a good dealer whats the harm in chucking them a chip or two whenever you drag a pot? If your dealer isn't up to scratch then don't tip ,same argument as waitress etc where you would only tip if you think they have done a good job although I bet most who stamp their feet about tiping a dealer still tip a waitress if the service is shit because its "expected" and the norm to leave 10% or whatever. I am one who would happily say in a restaurant "no the meals been as bad as the service" when asked the obligitory "is everything ok for you sir", how many of you would just happily say " fine thanks" and leave a tip but then feel irked about chucking a tip to a dealer? What about a place like DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), where the tips are pooled and then split? You're not really tipping the dealer at your table, you're tipping all the dealers (a small amount each time obviously). So the tip isn't an acknowledgement of an individual's good service - it's more of a general tip to all the dealers. you think when you tip a waitress it goes in her pocket? Most waitresses pool with each other, barmen glass collectors etc. I would much rather tip at the end of a hand than the end of a tourney though as not much of it actually gets to each individual dealer. If you happened to win an EPT for instance the tip is chopped up into %s with the TD getting his, then the floormen, then the dealers etc. I would like to think if I won a big title I would leave the standard tip but make sure and find any dealer who had given me a lucky outdraw or something like that a drink seperatley. Even though that probably wouldnt be allowed and could get the dealer in trouble. Lets face it its hardly likely to happen though as I would have to win one first. In cork in december when I drew a few quid I left the tip for the dealers and then gave a seperate tip to the waitresses and another one to tommy on the door. I wasnt being balla doing that, the waitresses look after me on every trip over there and tommy always sorts out taxis, hotels for players who arrive late and generally looks after you whatever you need. Now this is his job and he gets paid to do it but why shouldnt he get a drink when one of the regulars gets a result? A couple involved in the chop with me it was obviously their first ever result and they asked how much to leave- I couldnt possibly say how much someone else should leave I just told them what I leave and what is the "norm" and they made their own minds up. imo any poker player who doesnt tip values money to much. We are fortuate to do what we love either for a living or for a hobby (those that play for a hobby regularly can afford to) so why not look after the staff when you win a pot. the biggest winners in cash games and tourneys tend to be good tippers- is it karma or is it simply because they don't value money so greatly meaning they never played scared??? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Sunday8pm on March 17, 2008, 02:39:58 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 02:44:30 PM If your dealer is doing a good job then tip them (the same you tip other peole in the service industry- waitress,barmaid,taxi driver etc). The fact it needs to be debated at all surprises me as most peole who sit and play live cash games aren't trying to grind out few bbs an hour like they used to do in rounders etc, the cash games nowadays are very swingy. A good dealer who can control the table and look after the players is gold dust imo. for any of you who think its an easy job sitting on your arse for a few hours i suggest you try dealing a 10 hour stretch and see how your back feels. Then throw in abuse from players who suffer the odd beat, maybe the odd card chuck at your head or deliberately spun at your knuckles. Dont get me wrong some games the dealers will love sitting in if you have the correct players there-there are many tables I would pay to sit and deal at. It is very player dependant and if a dealer goes in work not knowing if he/she is going to have a horrible table or a pleasant one added to the fact some will tip some wont its not a job most of us would want 24/7. Everyone seems to use the argument about well they can find another job, what about the people who work in mcdonalds on minimum wage- do you think that their lifetimes ambition was to work in a burger bar? If everyone went and found another job what would happen to the jobs everyone sees as a shitty? Fact is somebody has to do the job and many dealers actually enjoy what they do (doesnt mean they shouldnt get paid properly for it though) Tipping isnt mandatory but if you have a good dealer whats the harm in chucking them a chip or two whenever you drag a pot? If your dealer isn't up to scratch then don't tip ,same argument as waitress etc where you would only tip if you think they have done a good job although I bet most who stamp their feet about tiping a dealer still tip a waitress if the service is shit because its "expected" and the norm to leave 10% or whatever. I am one who would happily say in a restaurant "no the meals been as bad as the service" when asked the obligitory "is everything ok for you sir", how many of you would just happily say " fine thanks" and leave a tip but then feel irked about chucking a tip to a dealer? What about a place like DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), where the tips are pooled and then split? You're not really tipping the dealer at your table, you're tipping all the dealers (a small amount each time obviously). So the tip isn't an acknowledgement of an individual's good service - it's more of a general tip to all the dealers. you think when you tip a waitress it goes in her pocket? Depends where you are. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ariston on March 17, 2008, 02:51:55 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as dtd was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Sunday8pm on March 17, 2008, 02:54:19 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. Not so much Cafe Rouge, but Pizza Express is quite an upmarket place to eat. In fact, at nearly all top end retaurants i know of. You will have a waiter/waitress assigned to your table and they will be the one who collects the tip at the end. In some cases a small % going to the bar/kitchen staff. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 03:04:02 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ariston on March 17, 2008, 03:05:00 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. Not so much Cafe Rouge, but Pizza Express is quite an upmarket place to eat. In fact, at nearly all top end retaurants i know of. You will have a waiter/waitress assigned to your table and they will be the one who collects the tip at the end. In some cases a small % going to the bar/kitchen staff. stand corrected then. I assumed most pooled. So if you leave a £20 or a £50 for the waitress with the nice norks with your phone number on its going to her and not to some dodgy one eyed toothless moonlighting dinner lady in the kitchen?? hmmm interesting. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ariston on March 17, 2008, 03:07:50 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? I am certain everyone will agree that the standard of dealers at somewhere like DTD is above the norm because if they weren't up to scratch then Danny, simon or rob would get rid of them. Being shared by the good, bad or ugly isnt then a problem although are you saying you wouldnt tip an ugly dealer who was good but would tip a fit dealer who was chit? ;) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: doubleup on March 17, 2008, 03:10:48 PM I'm pretty sure that tips must be pooled in licensed casinos under gambling commission guidelines. FWIW I would be happy to tip for competent dealers in a tournament, but not for self dealt until final table. Its difficult to get staff in most casinos so the extra from tips should do something to attract staff, so less self dealing.
I rarely play live cash, but I suppose if I was in a good game £1/2 out of a winning pot seems reasonable, but if a dealer was crap, I wouldn't tip. Anywhere in the US you must tip - some of the cocktail waitresses get charged for drinks, so if you stiff them they have actually made a loss. The dealers usually have almost all their basic taken by the IRS, so if they don't get tips they have nothing. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 03:17:04 PM I'm pretty sure that tips must be pooled in licensed casinos under gambling commission guidelines. FWIW I would be happy to tip for competent dealers in a tournament, but not for self dealt until final table. Its difficult to get staff in most casinos so the extra from tips should do something to attract staff, so less self dealing. I rarely play live cash, but I suppose if I was in a good game £1/2 out of a winning pot seems reasonable, but if a dealer was crap, I wouldn't tip. Anywhere in the US you must tip - some of the cocktail waitresses get charged for drinks, so if you stiff them they have actually made a loss. The dealers usually have almost all their basic taken by the IRS, so if they don't get tips they have nothing. Yeah but that's just a F'ed up system, no? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: kinboshi on March 17, 2008, 03:33:18 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? I am certain everyone will agree that the standard of dealers at somewhere like DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) is above the norm because if they weren't up to scratch then Danny, simon or rob would get rid of them. Being shared by the good, bad or ugly isnt then a problem although are you saying you wouldnt tip an ugly dealer who was good but would tip a fit dealer who was chit? ;) The dealers at DTD are good (although I have very limited experience to compare them with elsewhere), and although some are bloody ugly they get a tip from me. Yet to see an ugly valet there though... Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: doubleup on March 17, 2008, 03:43:45 PM I'm pretty sure that tips must be pooled in licensed casinos under gambling commission guidelines. FWIW I would be happy to tip for competent dealers in a tournament, but not for self dealt until final table. Its difficult to get staff in most casinos so the extra from tips should do something to attract staff, so less self dealing. I rarely play live cash, but I suppose if I was in a good game £1/2 out of a winning pot seems reasonable, but if a dealer was crap, I wouldn't tip. Anywhere in the US you must tip - some of the cocktail waitresses get charged for drinks, so if you stiff them they have actually made a loss. The dealers usually have almost all their basic taken by the IRS, so if they don't get tips they have nothing. Yeah but that's just a F'ed up system, no? Whether you agree with the system or not is a different debate, you still have to tip, you aren't going to change the system when you are there for ten days a year. BTW I do think that tipping has a place where it incentivises staff to provide good service, but can see the argument that they should always do a good job and get paid accordingly. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: EvilPie on March 17, 2008, 03:46:06 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? I asked the TD this question when I finally won enough in a tournament to warrant a tip. Apparently the dealers tips are pooled between just the dealers, the valet's are pooled between the valets. I wasn't too impressed with this TBH. I left £50 at the cash desk for the dealers but felt a bit guilty walking past the doormen who had 3p in their little ash tray and asked how I'd got on. I was forced to say "not too bad" rather than brag about my win because I wasn't stumping up any more. They all do a great job there to make the place so enjoyable for all that attend so they all deserve a bit of any tips whether they deal the cards or clean the toilets. Will I be seen as tight if I win another one and give the £50 to the doormen instead? They are always welcoming and are just as important to the whole DTD experience IMO. How do we raise this query with the DTD people? Do any of them read any of these forums regularly? Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: boldie on March 17, 2008, 04:32:03 PM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? I asked the TD this question when I finally won enough in a tournament to warrant a tip. Apparently the dealers tips are pooled between just the dealers, the valet's are pooled between the valets. I wasn't too impressed with this TBH. I left £50 at the cash desk for the dealers but felt a bit guilty walking past the doormen who had 3p in their little ash tray and asked how I'd got on. I was forced to say "not too bad" rather than brag about my win because I wasn't stumping up any more. They all do a great job there to make the place so enjoyable for all that attend so they all deserve a bit of any tips whether they deal the cards or clean the toilets. Will I be seen as tight if I win another one and give the £50 to the doormen instead? They are always welcoming and are just as important to the whole DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) experience IMO. How do we raise this query with the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) people? Do any of them read any of these forums regularly? Yeah they do...and excellent question. I think it's fine that tips are pooled but then they should be pooled between everyone (Just my opinion) If I tip for my food I also tip for the Kitchen (I used to work in a kitchen ages ago and it bothers the crap out of me that waiters keep all the tips when all they do is serve food that you spent all day preparing...damn lazy arse skirt wearing nancy boys! )but..anyways. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Horneris on March 17, 2008, 05:12:02 PM Ive been wondering about tipping recently myself.
Where i play cash, its either £1/£1 or usually £1/£2 and someone whos not playing but knows everybody well comes in and deals and dosent play. Not a proffessional dealer but a very efficent one. They can get ridic amounts like upto £50 an hour, so over £200 for like 5 hours, which is just too much. I dont mind tipping like £1 but think they should get like £15/£20 an hour max, not £40/£50. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Ironside on March 17, 2008, 06:16:45 PM if a dealer working in a pool system wasnt pulling his/her weight and wasnt getting the same tips into the pool as the rest then it wouldnt take enstien to work it out and the otehr dealers would get the slacker into shape or out the door IMHO
and from my understanding the dealers tips are split accross teh whole of DTD with bar staff and door staff and reception staff all getting a small % Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: RioRodent on March 17, 2008, 07:15:43 PM Out of interest, anyone know what a dealer in this country gets paid? And how much they typically make in tips..? We were discussing this at the weekend, and a dealer said that they get round about the minimum wage. I'm sure the dealer said that the tips they receive make up a very large amount of their take home pay. I'm sure it does. Say it was even a lowish stakes game, maybe £1-2 NL - it doesn't seem that unreasonable to think that in your average loosish live game a dealer might on average get tipped a quid a hand. So maybe as much as £20-25 an hour, on top of the 6 quid on whatever they actually get paid. Or am I massively overestimating it? I think you're over-estimating it, but I might be wrong. I think that most only tip when it's a decent-sized pot, and they aren't every hand (except on the loosest of tables). At DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde), the tips go into a central pot that is shared amongst all the dealers. That includes those who are dealing in the tournament, and who are therefore not receiving tips. So when it's averaged out, it would be a lot less than the figure you estimated. Proberly. The DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) tournament dealers are tipped as you're 'obliged' to give 3% of your winnings should you cash. Show off!! ;first; (66?? ffs!!) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: littlemissC on March 18, 2008, 10:01:23 AM Cafe Rouge tips go straight into your pocket. Same with Pizza Express. 0% to kitchen or anywhere else sorry ben but do tips in cafe rouge or pizza express really count lol as DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) was being brought up in comparison i was comparing it to a restaurant of a similar standard (ie top end) where tips are always pooled. I'm not saying it's wrong (or right) to tip or not. I was just wondering why the level of service you get from one dealer influences your decision - as at the end of the day, it's shared out amongst all (the good, the bad and the ugly). If tips are pooled, it's not really a tip in recognition of an individual's service - but merely an extension of the rake, or in a restaurant it's an additional service charge. As an aside, are the valet's tips pooled at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) or do they keep what they each get? I asked the TD this question when I finally won enough in a tournament to warrant a tip. Apparently the dealers tips are pooled between just the dealers, the valet's are pooled between the valets. I wasn't too impressed with this TBH. I left £50 at the cash desk for the dealers but felt a bit guilty walking past the doormen who had 3p in their little ash tray and asked how I'd got on. I was forced to say "not too bad" rather than brag about my win because I wasn't stumping up any more. They all do a great job there to make the place so enjoyable for all that attend so they all deserve a bit of any tips whether they deal the cards or clean the toilets. Will I be seen as tight if I win another one and give the £50 to the doormen instead? They are always welcoming and are just as important to the whole DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) experience IMO. How do we raise this query with the DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde) people? Do any of them read any of these forums regularly? the door staff and reception staff at dtd are imo opinion fantastic.they take the time to get to know peoples names and are genuinly interested in the customers. i would hope they did get part of the tips as they deserve it as much as anyone else.if not i must remind myself to put something in the tray on reception when i leave(which btw does always have coppers in it..oops) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jaydeaa on March 18, 2008, 10:26:02 AM If your on about spielers in Southend, Now MINT all of there valet's are on tips only basis! Is that legal? What happened to the minimum wage? As far as i'm aware they self employed. and have a guarentee take home of £200 a week, but then any tips taken, are deducted, a certain valet at mint southend is taking home between 300-400 (according to herself) Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ericstoner on March 18, 2008, 11:19:36 AM I don't believe in tipping,it sickens me that employers get to pay minimum wages,and expect you to make it up to a livable ammount.
I hope we never get to be like the States,whare a large portion of the working community rely on the good will of customers to give them a living wage. A FAIR DAYS PAY FOR A FAIR DAYS WORK. Was the mantra of those that went before us.If tipping were not the norm,employers including casinos would have to pay a living wage, or do the dealing,door,valet reception themselves. By the way I always tip..................but I can dream of utopia Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jon MW on March 18, 2008, 11:44:31 AM I don't believe in tipping,it sickens me that employers get to pay minimum wages,and expect you to make it up to a livable ammount. I hope we never get to be like the States,whare a large portion of the working community rely on the good will of customers to give them a living wage. A FAIR DAYS PAY FOR A FAIR DAYS WORK. Was the mantra of those that went before us.If tipping were not the norm,employers including casinos would have to pay a living wage, or do the dealing,door,valet reception themselves. By the way I always tip..................but I can dream of utopia Although I agree in principle to the general gist of your post, I think it's worth reiterating that the minimum wage in Britain is a livable amount and so it is a living wage. So there is no question of people having to tip to provide the dealers et al with an additional income. It might be a lot less than a lot of people would like, but the minimum wage is enough to live on. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Colchester Kev on March 18, 2008, 12:08:01 PM I don't believe in tipping,it sickens me that employers get to pay minimum wages,and expect you to make it up to a livable ammount. I hope we never get to be like the States,whare a large portion of the working community rely on the good will of customers to give them a living wage. A FAIR DAYS PAY FOR A FAIR DAYS WORK. Was the mantra of those that went before us.If tipping were not the norm,employers including casinos would have to pay a living wage, or do the dealing,door,valet reception themselves. By the way I always tip..................but I can dream of utopia Although I agree in principle to the general gist of your post, I think it's worth reiterating that the minimum wage in Britain is a livable amount and so it is a living wage. So there is no question of people having to tip to provide the dealers et al with an additional income. It might be a lot less than a lot of people would like, but the minimum wage is enough to live on. That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Jon MW on March 18, 2008, 12:15:22 PM I don't believe in tipping,it sickens me that employers get to pay minimum wages,and expect you to make it up to a livable ammount. I hope we never get to be like the States,whare a large portion of the working community rely on the good will of customers to give them a living wage. A FAIR DAYS PAY FOR A FAIR DAYS WORK. Was the mantra of those that went before us.If tipping were not the norm,employers including casinos would have to pay a living wage, or do the dealing,door,valet reception themselves. By the way I always tip..................but I can dream of utopia Although I agree in principle to the general gist of your post, I think it's worth reiterating that the minimum wage in Britain is a livable amount and so it is a living wage. So there is no question of people having to tip to provide the dealers et al with an additional income. It might be a lot less than a lot of people would like, but the minimum wage is enough to live on. That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour party. bugger, you're right - that is supportive of a Labour initiative - - I feel slightly nauseous and unclean now. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: henrik777 on March 18, 2008, 05:22:59 PM Would you get enough people willing to deal for minimum wage and no tips ? Do you think the casinos would pay extra if tipping was banned ? Who would foot the bill for the extra wages ?
Lack of dealers means more self dealing which isn't all that popular from what i remember being posted on here back when this place was newish. If enough people don't tip dealers will be harder to find as it's not a job worth doing without tips for most people. Sandy Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Grier78 on March 18, 2008, 07:31:22 PM Would you get enough people willing to deal for minimum wage and no tips ? Do you think the casinos would pay extra if tipping was banned ? Who would foot the bill for the extra wages ? Lack of dealers means more self dealing which isn't all that popular from what i remember being posted on here back when this place was newish. If enough people don't tip dealers will be harder to find as it's not a job worth doing without tips for most people. Sandy It all comes down to having a suitable substainable business model. At the end of the day business is a democracy and you vote with every pound you spend/or don't spend. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: RED-DOG on March 20, 2008, 09:20:38 AM IMHO All those players who think the dealer is responsible for the dross they get dealt shoud tip big and often.
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Wardonkey on March 20, 2008, 10:19:52 AM Dealers in casinos do not get tips. Although the gaming act allows it there is provision within the act for employers to deny gaming staff the opportunity to accept tips.
None of the major casino groups allow their gaming staff to accept tips. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: ericstoner on March 20, 2008, 10:56:19 AM Why would they allow tips,it'll only lower the drop on the gaming tables.anything that lets a percentage of a persons spend for the evening going anywhare but into the casinos coffers,is to be not entertained at any cost.
Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: Wardonkey on March 20, 2008, 11:21:02 AM Why would they allow tips,it'll only lower the drop on the gaming tables.anything that lets a percentage of a persons spend for the evening going anywhare but into the casinos coffers,is to be not entertained at any cost. Casinos biggest problems are staffing and motivating staff to give good service. Allowing tips would go a long way to addressing these problems and in the long term the wage bill might actually be reduced. A dealer who is willing to entertain players and promote his game will get a larger drop than a badly motivated and tired dealer. Having more tables open spreads the action, reduces variance and speeds up games. Casinos are shooting themselves in the foot by not allowing tipping. Title: Re: Tipping, your opinions please Post by: tikay on March 21, 2008, 12:55:27 PM Rather than tip per winning Pot, I prefer to Tip at the end of a Session, usually (if I remember) £25. I feel a little embarrassed to keep shippng £1 tips to the Dealer. I confess, though, to often forgetting. The Notion that we should Tip a Dealer for Dealing us a winning hand is, of course, a complete nonsense. We should Tip because they Deal well - and Dealing well, & Dealing us winning hands, are completely different things. |