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I read so many threads on here when people question the various poker tools out there for use and how they improve your game etc.

And the thought just occurred to me, I don't agree with this sort of software.  I don't think other players should be able to use tools that predict what your actions are/could be.  Its not like you can take these into a live game with you - and personally I think online poker should mirror the live game.

So your opinions?

a good anilysing tool but i think as you do

Why should online poker mirror the live game? They are vastly different battlegrounds

If online poker mirrored the live game you would get one hand every 2 minutes, there would be an argument every 10 minutes. and the games would start 20 minutes late.

RIP Sunday evenings on Tribeca

Are you going to ban people taking notes as well?

There is also a difference between types of tools alot of them are not in game tools, like sngpt and pokerstove where the stuff can be done with paper and pen it just would take longer.

Where do you draw the line?

Disagree

Disagree,

Poker to most is a game of skill , player V player.

To me it's not much different to taking drugs to win at sport.

Geo

Disagree...

Disadvantage to the dumb people (myself included) who cant fkin get the hang of them correctly!!

Apart from it being legal, which is a massive difference imo.

Won't dumb people (myself included) have a disadvantage in live games too?

Why ? We are talking about online poker tools..

Oh. I thought we were talking about dumb people.

Disagree. 



(with someone)

For the record, I also disagree, but I know theres nothing we can do about it.

You have a problem with me putting dumb then i guess is the point you are trying to make ?

Not at all. the point I was trying to make is that less intelligent people would be at a disadvantage both live and online. IMHO of course.

Well no, not because of what i said ? Just because you cannot work a computer programme doesnt mean you are going to be at a disadvantage live does it!?

Oh I see where you're coming from now.  I suppose by the same token then that just because you can't work a computer programme, it doesnt mean that you're dumb.

(Not my original point, but not a bad one)

Ok, you are right..

Its a disadvantage to the Stupid people (myself included) who cant fkin get the hang of them correctly!!

I disagree with them.

BUT use them all the same - if I dont, others have an advantage over me.

Other's have an advantage over you anyway! :D

 ;ifm;

Probably! lol - but less this way ;)

Do these tools make suggestions on what moves you should make? If so, do you always do what they say? Kinda sounds like a bot with you acting like the middle man pressing the buttons it tells you to? Saying that, where do I buy one...lol

Mine tell me exactly what hole cards the other guy has and what is coming on the turn and river. They are so good I nearly had a break even month last month.

I want one :) lol

Only works on UB and absoloute poker though

Are they the only sites with see through cards?

Hand histories are supplied in online poker and ppl will always use these.  All Pahud does is present the info in these histories in a summarised fashion.  

I don't have any issues with people taking notes, but I do have issues with the fact that there are tools that let players know how I play, if a pleyer isn't taking notes himself  or not paying proper attention to the game then thats there problem.

I don't use any of these tools I do take notes on some players on certain sites but I probably don't even utilise this to its full potential.

I think tools are some of the most profitable players to play against so we should let them stay :D

In reality, its up to each site to decide its own policy, for example Cake Poker dont allow HUDs, realtime hand history imports into software, AHK scripts, and so on.

If you dont like that people can use these things against you then move to a site which specifically disallows them and vote with your feet, cake has a large enough playerbase that cash and tourney players would be able to play whatever they want there. ( if you're pro then maybe not ).

Back in the days of the texas road gamblers Doyle. Amarillo and Sailor Robers would talk over hands and deal out thousands of possibilities, that was their pokerstove and their poker tracker was in their head. These things have always existed just in different forms.

These tools are all just a guide. Losing sit and go player opens first hand utg you range him wider than you would a multi tabling winner player, but AA and KK are still in that range.


Are you wanting to ban poker books, poker forums (another tool to improve your game) as well?

All PT does is act as a sophisticated note taker, based on hand history information. If a player isn't using this information to its full potential, surley that's their problem too..

There is a difference between tracking software and software that offers actual advice.

One is OK under the TOC and one isn't. (For most sites).

A good player can easily beat a player using advice software, probably even easier than if they are not (as it might tell them to fold sometimes).

Should we campaign for Ed to be allowed to use google on quizshows?

Geo

I think i replied incorrectly to the original question, i disagree with the OP. I am a fan of these bits of software.

Bothered

I saw the great man himself yesterday (the one who is always looking for the way to Amarillo)

Not once did he say bothered, i was most upset.