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PokerStars Game #16469514945: Tournament #82580370, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/04/03 - 22:26:44 (ET)
Table '82580370 123' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: lakota42 (5704 in chips)
Seat 2: ecls45 (5635 in chips)
Seat 3: ChipRich20 (28896 in chips)
Seat 4: BURRXXX (22852 in chips)
Seat 5: Ugot2outs (19486 in chips)
Seat 6: kswaterboy (20536 in chips)
Seat 7: sirrich111 (13864 in chips)
Seat 8: Krizee (5286 in chips)
Seat 9: ROMDOM (20502 in chips)
lakota42: posts the ante 50
ecls45: posts the ante 50
ChipRich20: posts the ante 50
BURRXXX: posts the ante 50
Ugot2outs: posts the ante 50
kswaterboy: posts the ante 50
sirrich111: posts the ante 50
Krizee: posts the ante 50
ROMDOM: posts the ante 50
kswaterboy: posts small blind 300
sirrich111: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
ChipRich20:  7d 7c
Krizee: folds
ROMDOM: folds
lakota42: folds
ecls45: folds
ChipRich20: raises 1125 to 1725
BURRXXX: raises 3075 to 4800
Ugot2outs: folds
kswaterboy: folds
sirrich111: folds
ChipRich20: ????

Stack sizes before the hand:

Seat 3: ChipRich20 (28896 in chips)
Seat 4: BURRXXX (22852 in chips)

300 players left.

BURRXXX has 3 bet us once pre, but only once and played pretty tight apart from this.

Now do well call 3075 here or just fold?. Surely if we're calling we're just calling for set value or a very specific flop such as 4 5 6 or 5 6 8? Out of Position aswell for the rest of the hand obv.

4bet ftmfw

I think we can all say, we know what Horneris thinks i should do.....FOLD.

Not neccesarily, i just think its an interesting spot, and want to see wht members of the Blonde community think.

I think horneris wants you to jam.

Call. Its not close imo.

i agree.

After the open, how can u ever fold to such a small 3bet?

i reckon hes got kings or aces here unlikely to RR so small with ak.

Explain?

Why would you call another 3075 (ie 11% of your stack) to hit an 8 to 1 shot when your opponent only has 22852 to begin with?

the implied odds in this hand are 8.432/1.

its a call of 3075 to win 7875 (the pot) and 18,052 (his stack)

25,927/3075 = 8.432/1

so even if we are certain he has a big pair + will stack off, its +ev.

Unless i iz wrong.

Fairly straightforward call for me. more than happy to hit my set and take his stack.

Fold  - and open for 1599 so you won't feel as bad about it

YA. also, raising is clearly incorrect, as we only get called by better hands against any reasonable player and (mostly) better hands dont fold (poss 20% of his range folds?).
folding could be considered, but as leKnave says, we have near perfect implied odds and im assuming (it fucking looks like) villain has a huge hand which makes stacking him if we hit a 7 100% gtd.

I call and play it from there... Never jamming, sometimes folding, depending on opponent...

This was my point - I dont think it is a certain call.

Yes I appreciate that we get the lot if a 7 flops, but to me it is a marginal call even on inplied odds.

I'm a big fan of pocket pairs but I'm not sure if I could make the call here.

Ok you've got the implied odds but you've only just got them. In a cash game with the same implied odds then it's a definite call but I think in a tournament I'm letting this one go.

I would've preferred to flat call the big blind then call any raise which would've hopefully cost much less than the £3075. Say it had only cost £2000 to call then the implied odds are about 12 to 1 and much more favorable. I'm happy calling a raise with these cards but not too keen against the re raise. You know you're behind (or maybe AK/AQ) so it's a big risk with a small pair.

I don't mind being oop in this situation. If you don't hit your set then you're getting away no matter what and if you hit then you're looking for an all in no matter what. Position isn't that important in this situation. It might be important in a live game where you can get a read but online I can't see the problem.

but in this spot we dont know we have the implied odds of his whole stack as we cant defo have him on AA/KK/QQ from just a raise over a caller.  much different to a small 3bet over and ep open.

We never know for sure though. That's why they're implied.

I guess I'm a bit of a stack protector and wouldn't want to put in quite so much on a pair of sevens. I prefer to put in 10% of my stack for a 50% chance of achieving my implied odds than 20% of my stack with a 75% chance.

(Made up figures, they came from nowhere so no need to tell me they're wrong)

I wouldnt be too worried about losing that extra 3K when we'r only playing 300/600 though.

We fold to 3bet: 27,121
We call and lose: 24,046

still a tonne of play either way.

Call and get there: 52K.

Its not going to damage ur stack, try accumulate some decent chips and go deep.

Im going to disagree massively with calling and lol at 8.5 to 1 implied odds being anywhere good enough to set mine.

We know villain is tight so his range is probably somewhere around ak,1010+, though it should be a lot lot wider. AK makes up alot of that range as its just more likely to be dealt. Villain is unlikely to stack over a 1/3 his range for a start unless the flop comes a 7 X or k7x. Also he is not getting kk-1010 on crappy boards with overcards. Also he might stack you in a cooler set over set.

All in all you are going to need way more than 7.5 to 1 of hitting the 7. I go by 15 to 1 as my mark for setting mining and it was worked out mathematically in MSNL on 2p2 that is more likely to be about 17 to 1 with deeper stacks.

If we are not set mining and villain is tight im not sure how the hell we are going to out play him postflop oop.

Push or fold, given he is tight this seems a rather trivial fold to me.

8.5 to 1 implied to hit a set but your about 10 to 1 for you to hit your set then it to hold up.

Im not to keen on playing low pairs like this a lot(especially when i feel i need to make trips) as it is just a pair and with his tight image i would most likely fold. As already said the fact his 3bet was such a small amount it suggest he is playing a big pair so your basically hoping for a great/lucky board.Also although u just about getting the implied odds to call if the flop comes a 7 wiith an A or K then by the way he played it you would be worried he'd hit trips too.

Fold and pick better spot imho.