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Title: hand advice please
Post by: 77dave on November 03, 2005, 12:47:49 PM
hi all

i was playing the new £50 freezeout last night at luton    5000 starting chips 30 min clock

ok level 3 blinds up to 100-200   im on the button   and chip leader on the table with about 8000
i guy limps for 200 in mid position

i look down to find one of my fav starting hands 6s 9s
a hand i normailly raise with in this position but i decide to just call
sb calls bb checks
tightend being the sb

flop comes 8s 7s 5s

i flop the straight flush    it checks round to me what do you do the rest of the hand??
how do u make the most out of the hand


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2005, 12:49:59 PM
I'm going to post another one from the same table.....


p.s tonight?


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: byronkincaid on November 03, 2005, 01:09:30 PM
I make small bets praying someone has the As and another spade comes up.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
i am checking and praying that something comes on the turn that hits one of the other three players

betting here, I'd be very concerned that I get three passes and wonder "what if?" for evermore!


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: mikkyT on November 03, 2005, 01:46:36 PM
I thought the 10 was a club ;)


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: The Baron on November 03, 2005, 01:49:31 PM
I would check the flop. Maybe a tiny bet on this turn (if it's checked round again) and set it up for a decent sized bet on the river.

A lot depends on their hole cards and what the turn and river are though. If they have dont have much you wont get paid much.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: Heid on November 03, 2005, 01:55:18 PM
I had a st. flush last night on crypto - Mr End asked me to post the full hand, and I will now, as the only difference, was the fact that I made mine on the turn, instead of flop.

In my case, I checked it at the river, then shoved in a medium sized raise on the river, which was called - I was hoping he had made the flush as well, and he called and then it was all done for him - I think I could have raised it up, some more, but you will never know.

So what was your outcome? I'll find the hand if I can tonight.

Nice when it comes in though innit?

Heid
xx


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: Norwich Fan on November 03, 2005, 02:06:23 PM
i dont like checking the flop and the river, if no one has a high spade or open str8 draw, or indeed trips u are not getting paid one way or the other, if they do, they call your bets on flop and turn, it disguises your hand, and many people bet out here to protect top pair, or top 2, or indeed with the bare A.
Also, if someone does have the A or K spades, they will call u on the flop and the turn, but if u wait til the river and no more spades come, u dont get paid.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: Bongo on November 03, 2005, 02:59:21 PM
I think I would make a reasonable bet, maybe around 1/2 the pot (it depends what you normally do).

If someone has flopped a flush they may be slowplaying it and you're quids in.

If someone has a high flush draw you get money out of them while they still have hope, maybe more when if they hit another spade.

Someone with a set should chuck some chips in too.

Someone could come over the top if they think you have nothing.

Everyone could have nothing and pass, but if they did how were you going to make anything anyway? Only really a small amount if they take a stab at the pot.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: poker_biker on November 03, 2005, 03:07:00 PM
Obviously with the 3 spades on the flop it's going to be difficult to get paid here.

I personally would try a small bet on each round of betting hoping that my opponents think I am bluffing. I don't think that checking will induce anyone else to bet, unless of course they hold the  As.

Its a shame that on such a nice hand that you may not get paid. What actually happened?


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: 77dave on November 03, 2005, 03:10:13 PM
i end up checking the flop hoping some1 catches up on the turn orr at least makes a stab at a bluff
the turn is checked as well   i also check   the river  is checked   i now bet 500 into the 800 pot and everyone passes

looking back i wish i had a stab on the turn   but never mind

i did get a free breakfast voucher out of it


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: mikkyT on November 03, 2005, 03:11:26 PM
I would check, hoping for a bet. If there is no bet, I would fire out a reasonable bet on the turn, hoping to look like a bluff at stealing the pot. But if nobody has a spade then they are all passing


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2005, 03:13:32 PM
In the small blind I had  As 2s

but 77dave gave off such a strong tell that I knew I was beat before his bet on the river


p.s next time 77dave don't whisper to me asking if a straight flush beats quads


I'll save 77dave the effort...... :redcard:


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: 77dave on November 03, 2005, 03:17:59 PM
yeah u wish    u had the  As 2s of spades and could of passed it in that situ last night


but in saying that u did make a great pass last night    i limped with ak   tightend raises with kq suited  i flat call   board comes   K x x   i check he bet  1100  i raise and make it 2600     and tightend passes   very impressive


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: elblondie on November 03, 2005, 10:16:08 PM
hi all

i was playing the new £50 freezeout last night at luton    5000 starting chips 30 min clock

ok level 3 blinds up to 100-200   im on the button   and chip leader on the table with about 8000
i guy limps for 200 in mid position

i look down to find one of my fav starting hands 6s 9s
a hand i normailly raise with in this position but i decide to just call
sb calls bb checks
tightend being the sb

flop comes 8s 7s 5s

i flop the straight flush    it checks round to me what do you do the rest of the hand??
how do u make the most out of the hand

Just move all-in. If you are lucky enough to flop a straight flush, then you are probably lucky enough to get paid 4 ways.
One guy will have flopped top set
One guy will have flopped a dodgy straight
One guy will hold the nut flush
and the last guy will probably have a lower straight flush (with a second 6 of spades)
 :blonde:


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: snoopy1239 on November 03, 2005, 10:26:29 PM
Unless blinds were big and one check raise is practically an all-in, I'd bet.

The ace of spades will call any raise that's lower than the pot, plus it disguises your hand which may encourage a set, trips, or even a bluffer, to reraise.

If you bet and find a caller, a check on the turn will often induce a bet from your opponent.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: SupaMonkey on November 03, 2005, 11:27:04 PM
I would think about it for a bit and then bet about half of the pot and hope i get called. If i get called I would then check the turn if the caller checked it to me hoping that he would fire a bluff at me on the river.

If i get bet at on the turn then i would reraise. If you smooth call his bet on the turn he'll put you on a hand and won't bet or call your bet on the end.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: ifm on November 04, 2005, 12:33:01 AM
even though the boss was taking the pee, it ain't that bad an idea.
it shows weakness and lets be honest you ain't likely to get any chips here otherwise.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: Longy on November 04, 2005, 12:54:01 AM
I check the flop and then when it checked round to me on the turn. I bet about 1/3 to 1/2 the pot giving someone odds with a big spade and then bet about 1/2 the pot again on the river unless its a spade an then it all depends on the action before you hopefully!

By the way dave is there a hand in hold em you don't like  6s  9s,  2s 5d etc


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: ACE2M on November 04, 2005, 01:02:51 AM
Personally i make a small bet around double the minimum, you will soon find out if people have got a draw. Straight draw and the nut/high flush draw probably call and you pray another spade hits. In this you also create a pot that someone will fancy a bluff at as the pot becomes desirable, hopefully a dangerous looking card hits the turn and you looking forlorn check it if it is checked around to you. I find you are almost guaranteed to get someone taking a stab at the pot after the river after your show of weakness, hopefully they have hit and your raise will be called. Works online anyway.


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: 77dave on November 04, 2005, 11:12:46 AM
i see your point longy  but as it goes in holdem my fav hands are 5c 2s       6h 9h     and 9c Tc   i find them to be very good trapping hands   and as i never get aces i need to play this type of hands
thx for everybodys advice  shame the blinds were so small for me not to get more


Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: DTD-ACES on November 04, 2005, 11:30:23 AM
I dont often do this but for once i will .

First of all you were chip leader on the button , after a mid position limp you could have raised to get it heads up with position after the flop and prevent the blinds seeing a cheap flop , however i would have called as you did .

Now you flop a straight flush , three players check to you , you are chip leader on the table and have the button , i would definitely bet this flop probably half the pot , two reasons , one they would expect you to and may decide to make a play back with the bare A , two if they were slow playing a flush they would hope you are going to bet in position so they can reraise and more importantly any caller will have a draw either to the A or K flush or with two pair to a full house , they are not going to put you on either 4 6 of spades or the 6 9 you held , so if they hit on the turn you will get paid .

The key points to this hand are the fact you had the button and were chip leader , two elements that could have been used to disguise your hand .

ACES



Title: Re: hand advice please
Post by: 77dave on November 04, 2005, 11:51:12 AM
thx simon some great advice and something i will def take on board