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ok so i saw allen cunnigham multi tabling some 2/4 so thought would be a nice story to tell, so sat down for a little session with him.
before long we get in a pot in one of those situations i hate. ur thoughts??

Full Tilt Poker Game #6005450499: Table Water (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:41:36 ET - 2008/04/12
Seat 1: Edgy811 ($372.80)
Seat 2: AllenCunningham ($524.50)
Seat 3: JKwizzle1 ($398.80)
Seat 4: KingFish83 ($807.10)
Seat 5: czarcaesarxx ($448)
Seat 6: donkyslayer ($160)
KingFish83 posts the small blind of $2
czarcaesarxx posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Edgy811 [9c 9s]
donkyslayer folds
Edgy811 raises to $14
AllenCunningham has 15 seconds left to act
AllenCunningham calls $14
JKwizzle1 calls $14
KingFish83 folds
czarcaesarxx has 15 seconds left to act
czarcaesarxx folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8d Js]
Edgy811 bets $32
AllenCunningham calls $32
JKwizzle1 folds
*** TURN *** [Jc 8d Js] [4s]
Edgy811 checks
AllenCunningham has 15 seconds left to act
AllenCunningham bets $88

standard fold?? call?? raise??

was my check on the turn a bad play?

cheers guys

 I'd have bet the turnon the thinking that a raise PF, cont bet then check looks like standard missed the flop play to me and I'd expect AC to take the lead should you show a sign of weakness. 

Don't know what to do here though

I like the check on the turn with the intention of check calling and then check calling a reasonable bet on the river.Of course he could have a jack or 88/44 here but all bigger pairs 3 bet preflop, unless he is getting tricky.

More of his range is made up of smaller pocket pairs, 8x,109 and some random hands that have floated the flop. Your hand really looks like a missed ax hand or maybe kq etc which has made a standard cbet.

So to get most from this hand i think going into passive check call mode makes the most long term, as this is way ahead/way behind situation where getting to the cheapest showdown is our aim.

hate these spots sooo much. The optimal play to to call, but then he fires again on river.

What do we think of checking the flop to him and seeing what he does?

I check as much as I bet here, i've brought my continuation bet % right down and am reaping the rewards...

Check raise allin and if he asks what you have, say "I've forgotten"

Sly Bacon

lol

Fold.

We has readz on him.

He iz Tight. You shoudlve seen him on PAD last night.

against a non thinking player i would bet the flop and bet the turn for value. if raised on the turn id pass.

when playing against a thinking player like cunningham i would go for a check raise on the flop i would make this a sizeable raise of about 3.5x his bet (put the guy to a decision). this would give me the information i need. if called or raised all in as i feel i would have around 21% equity against his range.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  13,860  games     0.234 secs    59,230  games/sec

Board: Jc 8d Js
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    21.479%     17.70%    03.78%              2453          524.00   { 9c9s }
Hand 1:    78.521%     74.74%    03.78%             10359          524.00   { 99-88, AJs, T9s, AJo }

when checking raising the flop i can't see him calling with 77-22 or with overcards unless your image is loose which edgy's isn't.

if you check and he checks behind although your giving him free cards it isn't the worst case in the world againt his preflop range.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  69,300  games     0.005 secs    13,860,000  games/sec

Board: Jc 8d Js
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    73.457%     72.55%    00.91%             50274          631.50   { 9c9s }
Hand 1:    26.543%     25.63%    00.91%             17763          631.50   { 99-22, AQs-AJs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AQo-AJo }

i feel TT+ and AK would have repoped preflop.

if the flop is check check id 100% bet the turn. if the turn is an ace or queen id give up after my turn bet. if the turn is safe like a 4 in this case id bet the turn and river for value. a 7 on the turn is also a pritty dodgy card too.

So what are you saying you do now!? lol

chek call turn... and if blank on river, do same - if reasonable size

ok, so i did call the turn. heres wot happened next


*** TURN *** [Jc 8d Js] [4s]
Edgy811 checks
AllenCunningham has 15 seconds left to act
AllenCunningham bets $88
Edgy811 has 15 seconds left to act
Edgy811 calls $88
*** RIVER *** [Jc 8d Js 4s] [8s]
Edgy811 checks
AllenCunningham bets $288


now what??

Make a bad call and beat 77 obv

I think this is a definite fold. Even the Ace 8 Ball got there.

And Allen is tight obv.

I hate these hands aswell, esp out of pos. I sometimes check raise or check call and then lead the turn depending, but im a donk