Title: backgammon players Post by: DUNK619 on May 02, 2008, 05:08:03 PM quick backgammon question. What is the best opening moves when rolling a double three
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: Tuffster on May 02, 2008, 05:46:37 PM I personally think move two from the stack in position 8 and from position 13.
I'd leave position 24 alone as I always seem throw 5/6 after I've moved them, then I'm really in trouble! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 02, 2008, 08:59:10 PM strictly speaking, the opening roll can never be a 3/3, because the roll-off means that the first move cannot be a double... so I presume you mean the first move you make after the opening move, and that will depend on what your opponents first roll/move is. If they haven't moved their back 2 pieces, then blocking the 7th column to hinder their escape (ie if they roll 6/x they cant escape as easily) is probably the best play, if they have advanced their back peices somehow, then you probably need to be a bit more defensive and advance your back peices also.
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: DUNK619 on May 02, 2008, 09:56:26 PM strictly speaking, the opening roll can never be a 3/3, because the roll-off means that the first move cannot be a double... so I presume you mean the first move you make after the opening move, and that will depend on what your opponents first roll/move is. If they haven't moved their back 2 pieces, then blocking the 7th column to hinder their escape (ie if they roll 6/x they cant escape as easily) is probably the best play, if they have advanced their back peices somehow, then you probably need to be a bit more defensive and advance your back peices also. Yeah thats what i ment thanks 4 the adviceTitle: Re: backgammon players Post by: matt674 on May 02, 2008, 10:30:15 PM B-QN3
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: DUNK619 on May 02, 2008, 10:34:05 PM B-QN3 youve lost me there Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 02, 2008, 10:55:47 PM online backgammon is rigged
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: raab11 on May 02, 2008, 10:57:15 PM online backgammon is rigged not rigged but its very easy to cheat do NOT play for anything but v.small stakes. and always play with fast clocks. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: raab11 on May 02, 2008, 11:00:48 PM join a club m8. like poker its far better live. also if its anything like mine there weill be some tasty cash poker games going too. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 02, 2008, 11:03:27 PM online backgammon is rigged not rigged but its very easy to cheat do NOT play for anything but v.small stakes. and always play with fast clocks. theyve got my IP adress logged and the switch is on, i lose 87% of the opening rolls, i dont know what a double looks like and what ever number anyone needs to get out they hit Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 02, 2008, 11:06:49 PM its easy to cheat in slow games because you can input moves into programs like Snowy that give you the mathematically optimal move in any scenario. The same stuff can happen in chess, on sites like ICC... they dont really monitor the low limit games, so people can cheat with impunity at that level. Whether its worth cheating for 50 pence a point at BG is another question entirely.
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: raab11 on May 02, 2008, 11:15:38 PM online backgammon is rigged not rigged but its very easy to cheat do NOT play for anything but v.small stakes. and always play with fast clocks. theyve got my IP adress logged and the switch is on, i lose 87% of the opening rolls, i dont know what a double looks like and what ever number anyone needs to get out they hit yeah yeah and your aces never hold up either. its easy to cheat in slow games because you can input moves into programs like Snowy that give you the mathematically optimal move in any scenario. The same stuff can happen in chess, on sites like ICC... they dont really monitor the low limit games, so people can cheat with impunity at that level. Whether its worth cheating for 50 pence a point at BG is another question entirely. exactly my point totalise Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: DUNK619 on May 02, 2008, 11:21:26 PM i only play for fun money i am playing now on play 65
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 02, 2008, 11:22:11 PM online backgammon is rigged not rigged but its very easy to cheat do NOT play for anything but v.small stakes. and always play with fast clocks. theyve got my IP adress logged and the switch is on, i lose 87% of the opening rolls, i dont know what a double looks like and what ever number anyone needs to get out they hit yeah yeah and your aces never hold up either its easy to cheat in slow games because you can input moves into programs like Snowy that give you the mathematically optimal move in any scenario. The same stuff can happen in chess, on sites like ICC... they dont really monitor the low limit games, so people can cheat with impunity at that level. Whether its worth cheating for 50 pence a point at BG is another question entirely. exactly my point totalise FINALLY, someone believes me! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 02, 2008, 11:32:09 PM your aces never hold up?
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 02, 2008, 11:42:27 PM your aces never hold up? they did once, i had Aspades Ahrt and it came Ac Ad Kc Qc 8d i checked it down after 3 betting preflop with 4x the buy in against the other big stack cos i was sure he had the RF and was gonna fold to river bet but he checked and mucked 3c 7h I printed the HH 2000 times and used it as wall paper Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 02, 2008, 11:43:17 PM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet.
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 02, 2008, 11:46:10 PM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 02, 2008, 11:51:38 PM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 03, 2008, 12:02:31 AM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! I had to move out for a week after playing an online H.O.R.S.E tourney! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 03, 2008, 12:07:07 AM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! I had to move out for a week after playing an online H.O.R.S.E tourney! anyone that willingly plays a HORSE tourney deserves to be homeless! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 03, 2008, 12:14:33 AM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! I had to move out for a week after playing an online H.O.R.S.E tourney! anyone that willingly plays a HORSE tourney deserves to be homeless! It wouldn't have been so bad but i didnt even get past the H! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 03, 2008, 12:16:05 AM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! I had to move out for a week after playing an online H.O.R.S.E tourney! anyone that willingly plays a HORSE tourney deserves to be homeless! It wouldn't have been so bad but i didnt even get past the H! a blessing in disguise.. gave u more time to hit the streets and get the diamond white sorted. Most people get to the E part, its past midnight, no offies are open, and they have to try and sleep sober. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 03, 2008, 12:23:39 AM shoulda printed it 4000 times and used it as wallpaper and a new carpet. ive got my SF vs obv RF that turned out to be TPTK as carpet of course. I use my omaha HH's to wipe my arse with try playin some stud8, you got all bases covered then! I had to move out for a week after playing an online H.O.R.S.E tourney! anyone that willingly plays a HORSE tourney deserves to be homeless! It wouldn't have been so bad but i didnt even get past the H! a blessing in disguise.. gave u more time to hit the streets and get the diamond white sorted. Most people get to the E part, its past midnight, no offies are open, and they have to try and sleep sober. well thats the way i saw it so imagine my surprise at being pulled off the bench at 4am, my diamond whites flying all over the place and these very nice police officers are asking me why i'm ruining they're sociotey, i show them a sample of the HH's i happen to be carrying with me and can you believe it they look at the one where i hero call off my whole stack with Kh Qh on a 7c 6c Jd Aspades Ahrt against what i was sure was something like 8c 9c but turned out to be Jc Js, they beat the shit out of me, i run bad. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 03, 2008, 12:26:23 AM shoulda told them you were playing Razz, theyda let you off with a £5 voucher at Patels mini mart for a refill. Gotta know how to use the system in ur favour.
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 03, 2008, 12:39:48 AM shoulda told them you were playing Razz, theyda let you off with a £5 voucher at Patels mini mart for a refill. Gotta know how to use the system in ur favour. ;tightend; I missed the angle though i do however think it turned out in my favour, you gotta think by 5am the remaining diamond white is gone and i'm compelled towards patels with my voucher and the idea of more cider, i get there and he's obv not open, i'm looking at between 75-85% of the time in this exact situation i'm jamming a brick through the window and looking to break in, i also estimate that in my drunken state i sucsesfully procure the alcohol avoiding detection about 5% of the time, this situation is massivly -EV for me, looking back i think i dodged a bullet. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: raab11 on May 03, 2008, 12:42:30 AM what particular part of uncivilzation do u live when shops aren't open at 5am??? Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 03, 2008, 12:48:12 AM shoulda told them you were playing Razz, theyda let you off with a £5 voucher at Patels mini mart for a refill. Gotta know how to use the system in ur favour. ;tightend; I missed the angle though i do however think it turned out in my favour, you gotta think by 5am the remaining diamond white is gone and i'm compelled towards patels with my voucher and the idea of more cider, i get there and he's obv not open, i'm looking at between 75-85% of the time in this exact situation i'm jamming a brick through the window and looking to break in, i also estimate that in my drunken state i sucsesfully procure the alcohol avoiding detection about 5% of the time, this situation is massivly -EV for me, looking back i think i dodged a bullet. if you can only procure alcohol from a smash and grab 5% of the time, you need to work on that technique. Dont worry about detection, no one gives a shit about who you are, the pollice only go to these shops to fulfull the petrol allowace. Smash, grab, and drink. Patel gets his insurance, the police "earn" their wages, and you get to sit in the park drinking diamond whites finest tonic. I cant even figure out who the loser is in this exchange, maybe the insurance companies, but there is no way that the ethics of an insurance company come between a dedicated soldier and a bottle of diamond white. Quote what particular part of uncivilzation do u live when shops aren't open at 5am??? where i live, I cant get booze until 11am... so we have to utilise other methods to get our fix. The DWC (diamond white crew) will do anything to get a fix. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 03, 2008, 01:00:05 AM shoulda told them you were playing Razz, theyda let you off with a £5 voucher at Patels mini mart for a refill. Gotta know how to use the system in ur favour. ;tightend; I missed the angle though i do however think it turned out in my favour, you gotta think by 5am the remaining diamond white is gone and i'm compelled towards patels with my voucher and the idea of more cider, i get there and he's obv not open, i'm looking at between 75-85% of the time in this exact situation i'm jamming a brick through the window and looking to break in, i also estimate that in my drunken state i successfully procure the alcohol avoiding detection about 5% of the time, this situation is massively -EV for me, looking back i think i dodged a bullet. if you can only procure alcohol from a smash and grab 5% of the time, you need to work on that technique. Dont worry about detection, no one gives a shit about who you are, the pollice only go to these shops to fulfill the petrol allowace. Smash, grab, and drink. Patel gets his insurance, the police "earn" their wages, and you get to sit in the park drinking diamond whites finest tonic. I cant even figure out who the loser is in this exchange, maybe the insurance companies, but there is no way that the ethics of an insurance company come between a dedicated soldier and a bottle of diamond white. Quote what particular part of uncivilzation do u live when shops aren't open at 5am??? where i live, I cant get booze until 11am... so we have to utilise other methods to get our fix. The DWC (diamond white crew) will do anything to get a fix. FFS, i mangled didnt i? taking into consideration your philosophy on detection i reevaluate my chances at about 50%+ Maths has been costing me free alcohol for too long now, can we get a child board for this sort of thing please, general smash and grab strategy etc, taking into account this new information it's starting to look like a +EV move ffs and who knows what other illegall opportunities for the acquisition of alcohol ive been miscalculating but if we dont get a special board or something(and it's clear everyone wants one) then how am i supposed to improve? sort it out mods Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 03, 2008, 01:08:18 AM shoulda told them you were playing Razz, theyda let you off with a £5 voucher at Patels mini mart for a refill. Gotta know how to use the system in ur favour. ;tightend; I missed the angle though i do however think it turned out in my favour, you gotta think by 5am the remaining diamond white is gone and i'm compelled towards patels with my voucher and the idea of more cider, i get there and he's obv not open, i'm looking at between 75-85% of the time in this exact situation i'm jamming a brick through the window and looking to break in, i also estimate that in my drunken state i successfully procure the alcohol avoiding detection about 5% of the time, this situation is massively -EV for me, looking back i think i dodged a bullet. if you can only procure alcohol from a smash and grab 5% of the time, you need to work on that technique. Dont worry about detection, no one gives a shit about who you are, the pollice only go to these shops to fulfill the petrol allowace. Smash, grab, and drink. Patel gets his insurance, the police "earn" their wages, and you get to sit in the park drinking diamond whites finest tonic. I cant even figure out who the loser is in this exchange, maybe the insurance companies, but there is no way that the ethics of an insurance company come between a dedicated soldier and a bottle of diamond white. Quote what particular part of uncivilzation do u live when shops aren't open at 5am??? where i live, I cant get booze until 11am... so we have to utilise other methods to get our fix. The DWC (diamond white crew) will do anything to get a fix. FFS, i mangled didnt i? taking into consideration your philosophy on detection i reevaluate my chances at about 50%+ Maths has been costing me free alcohol for too long now, can we get a child board for this sort of thing please, general smash and grab strategy etc, taking into account this new information it's starting to look like a +EV move ffs and who knows what other illegall opportunities for the acquisition of alcohol ive been miscalculating but if we dont get a special board or something(and it's clear everyone wants one) then how am i supposed to improve? sort it out mods no child board, i dont mind imparting my expertise sometimes, but id hate to see a child board about it. If you want advice on how to get diamond white cheap, send me a PM. gotta keep our profit sources protected! Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 16, 2008, 08:57:03 PM I'm thinking of doing a sainsburys tonight, it's a step up for me, i dont really have the experience but i'm confident.
I'm taking a black bag with me and i think i can get 8+ big bottles of diamond white in it I'll let you know how it goes. :)up Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: totalise on May 16, 2008, 09:02:36 PM good luck! dont run away too fast, you dont want the bottle fizzing over when you open it
Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 16, 2008, 09:03:25 PM this is the plan.......
walk around till i find someone i know, ask them for a pound, and get a diamond white with it, completely legal. Then i figure once ive had one i'll have the confidence to harass some people i dont know for another pound so i can get another one and so on. about 1am i'll start kicking the shutters of the main entrance and the night time shelf stacker's will come out to see whats happening, then I'll bundle past them and grab the diamond white(if I'm really under pressure white lightning) then run out. simple really, i cant See any faults in this plan. Title: Re: backgammon players Post by: bolt pp on May 16, 2008, 11:38:04 PM Couldn't find anyone to lend me a pound, end of that!
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