blonde poker forum

So i was invited to a homer the other day (50quid 1 R/A), and about 30 folks showed. I get on FT, and the CL is on my left raising a lot. I proceed to jam 34o after a while, he folds and I slap the cards down on the table in a bit of a "i aint letting u run over me matey" way..

The player involved (BIG guy) goes mental, as if i had rubbed the cards in his face (I am not a big guy, so as you can imagine I wasn't trying to get on his goat on a pesonal level in the slightest). and starts giving me gyp, and even says something to the effect of "you won't be coming back here" etc.  I actually asked him if he was serious...

then the host of the game comes over, doesn't ask for an explanation and proceeds to chastise me, saying that this is a friendly game etc... and departs without letting me say what happened. wtf. how insulting (to be fair he did run an excellent night etc, but this one factor still annoys me..)

if players are too daft to realise that what happens on the poker table is not personal, I don't think they should be playing. This left a bad taste in my mouth for sure. Psychology is such a part of the game that pretty much anything goes on the tables imo (within  boundaries of decency and respect)..

thoughts? Has anything like this happened to you?

[brag] yes btw, obv i won the game with no chop  weeee...[/brag]

I'd forget about it because the guy is obv. an idiot and the host seems to feel he has to stand up for him? He's an idiot as well unless he knows the guys out of control if his anger goes to far. I would have a quiet word with the host again and ask him what the story was. Some people are just bad losers or immature with the way they display their behaviour. You did the right thing showing because they wont be able to suss you out or might call you in the future thinking you are playing rubbish when infact you got a hand.. Do they e xpect you only yo play premium hands? C'mon this is poker, even if its friendly!

I had an aggravating situation like this last week at a live game where I felt a bit shaken at someones behaviour and I enjoyed sending that person home and I'm going back to that game again to win. I won't be put off as clown behaviour and actually its to my advantage as long as I don't let it get to me.

Have you to go back? lol

I think OP is the one who's acted like an idiot here

possibly

I wouldnt show but thats part of the game and if you can't handle it then you should play tiddly winks :)

Have to say, that was my initial thought.

for showing?

'I slap the cards down on the table in a bit of a "i aint letting u run over me matey" way..'

Showings not a problem, possibly the manner in which it was done had something to do with it.

Of course i agree but he's statement "i slap the cards down on the table" suggest that he maybe was a little over enthusiastic in showing his cards not done with the correct etiquette for a home game.

If your only gonna turn over hands against the guy thereafter then i dont mind showing to set him up for later but i would do so by not saying anything and just giving him a little flash of my cards before mucking.

though if like he says the guys CL and raising a lot and your looking to pos re-shove to survive then you shouldn't really be showing him here

Mad who's the idiot here?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=197699 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=197699)

if you try to put someone on tilt don't be shocked when you succeed

True, I would do it to advantage myself (although i wouldnt do it if you know what i mean - i never show) and not to be a smart ass but we don't know the exact context. I'll read Byrons link for more info..

Definently

My observation is that being anything but polite can cause people to get wound up - and rightly so. The guy was an ass for starting that off but it might have had the effect he was looking for - to tilt the other player? I wouldnt do that myself and have never done it. Some people will do it as a tactics and others can't help themselves. Last night I had to turn the chat of a player off who was winding me up with 'bad' behaviour. He was table talking and telling others how to play and it lost me a pot. I didnt react to him but flicked the switch so he couldnt drive me to tilt....lol.  Bad behaviour is part of some peoples gme but it's how you react to it thats key, no?

Mikey boy, what a nob.

 ;carlocitrone;

very true

The home game was mine.

I hold a game once every couple of months, it is very popular with the poker players who play in and around Dundee for the following reasons.

It is a very friendly game.

It has bigger prize pools than the local casino.

I don't put up with any kind of shit that makes anyone else uncomfortable.

I make nothing out of it.

I provide the best pies this side of christendom.


I would also like to point out another couple of things before I get to the crux of the matter. My game covers a diverse amount of people, professional men and women, guys from the Asian and Chinese communities of the region and even low lifes like myself! To show how multicultural and diverse it is we even have English guys playing!!!

My point now is this, the gentleman questioning my game and my integrity, was invited for one simple reason, that reason being that he was a member of blonde and he lived in this area, I believed that to be credentials enough.

I will point out now that no sooner was he sitting down playing but he was niggling at people. THIS IS NOT THE WSOP! This is a friendly home game, where the "win at all cost" mentality is not only unsuitable but abhorent.

A post like this shows that it easy to come out in support of something, even when you have no real understanding of the details of the incident. This is one of the main reasons why I stopped posting on this particular part of blonde.

As a finale to this, the so called big guilty perpetrator in this whole affair, is a very well respected Sottish poker player, known in all the main casinos. He is a martial arts expert who never loses his temper. All who know him, know that he is one of the most tolerant of men and for him to be wound up it must have been under exceptional circumstances.
It pains me that I am not eloquant enough to put this forward properly, but it pains me even more that a member of blonde, that had been invited to my house, has the audacity to question my integrity.

People answered the post on face value without a context, well i did. Others saw through it and questioned it. Now we know the context its a different matter and I would agree that the OP behaviour wasn't good if he was niggling and behaving like a fool. At least you can pick and chose who you play with and I'm sure you won't let it happen again...

and nothing wrong with your eloquance either :)

I have an image of this guy in my head for some reason. Was the big dude's name MacLeod by any chance? :)
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He would have had McLeod on toast for breakfast ffs!

If it was home game where people wanted a relaxed atmosphere then I would have thought you was out of order for your actions tbh.

I'd agree with that to be honest. Im very competitve and hate to lose but u cannot take a full on attitude to the home game. Take your A game yes. But leave the attitude at the door :)

It depends on what kind of psychology. You can have fun with it and still get reads and have some banter. The OP did say within the bounds of decency in his post but maybe his idea of whats decent is different from mines and yours?

I agree with leaving full on attitude at the door and not everything goes..

he lost his temper with me.


exceptional? I showed a bluff. he went mental. you have also just admitted that you didn't even know what happened. Didn't stop you giving me shit though paul did it. I do feel a proper TD would have actually established the facts before giving it to the new guy in the neck.


Err  not once did I question your integrity (in fact I didn't mention names once..)

the fact remains that you came over, and before anyone could even tell you what happened you said to me "don't interrupt me" and proceeded to give off to me like i was a 2yo. Welcome to my homegame new guy huh..

The guy in question totally overreacted btw.. , and I don't care who he is. "you won't be back here" he said. I actually thought he was joking, but I realised he wasn't. All I did was show a bluff enthusiastically.

As for it being a friendly game, it sure was until that point from my perspective. It just put me off slightly, and I wasn't naming anyone or questioning anyones integrity - I was just trying to gauge peoples thoughts on the matter as I was somewhat annoyed  at the incident since I did bugger all to be given shit for (would you be annoyed in the same circumstances I wonder?)

Didn't try your pies btw, but yes you run an excellent game with lots of very good players and a generally friendly atmosphere. respect.

eh? Let's keep this convo in proper context. it was final table of a £50 quid rebuy with ~30 runners, a GBPT winner, a GUKPT final tablist etc. not just a "friendly homer" with a bunch of fish.

1st pays £1100. I showed a bluff, and I am out of order? 

lol. good one. 

While the money may be significant to you, many of the participants may treat it as a social evening, not a sunglasses+ipod+staredowns+needling type of affair....

Lets put this into a real perspective, you are already barred from the local casino, (hard to do) and because of your bazzar behaviour and your immensely stupid post on here you have now alienated the one man that have might have been able to help you and held out the hand of friendship.
All the games in the last 5 years that I have held have gone with little or no incident.
I do not doubt your abilities as a poker player, but, if you cant play whats the point?
Your post was ill thought out, and really emphasises why you cant get a game.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT , CALL ME OR COME HERE.

No more on Blonde , I feel stupid enough already.

 wow


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i dunno bout u guys but when i show a bluff i dont rub it in anyones face...I don't slam down the cards or say anything..i show em sheepishly

and try and move on very quickly to the next hand..the bluff itself is enough to achieve what you want to..job done

I'm sure anyone can take a well played bluff at anytime,if shown in the correct manner..i.e turn em over and say nothing untowards..remember the guy is hurting ( don't rub it in )

I may be wrong but im sure this guy has been bluffed and showed it before, we all have...actually i applaud a good bluff at me...i really do

but i have yet to encounter someone showing the bluff out of spite or menace and rubbing it in...personally i would ask of this person WTF are you doing if so also

While you didn't mention names, you may as well have.

In the past, you have mentioned you live near Gala Dundee. Now you mention going to a home game with about 30 runners, £50 +(1 R/A)

How many of them are there in town? Do you not think it likely a few blondes will know what game, and thusly who you are talking about?
A claim of impunity from naming names when you make a post like that is ridiculous. Stop and think before you post.

Thankfully for the Dundonian, it doesn't seem like you are the sort of person to be taken seriously. I'm sure nobody will have lost any respect for him via this ridilcolous thread....

I won, while I was winning, I acted like a twonk, the person in who's home I was a guest told me to stop acting like a twonk, he didn't stop to listen to my life story, what utter BS.

That's not actually true, however 4 of the guys at your homegame the other night are actually barred.... but I am sure you know this already, and chose not to mention it. ahem. convenient no?


Immensely Stupid post? which one was that?

Umm, I presume you meant bizarre behavior. If querying the incident on a poker forum is bizarre, then I am indeed el-bizarro. showing a nice bluff to the aggro CL on a FT is obv super bizarro.

I like the way you sidestep the real issues and mention irrelevant stuff.
Clearly you still think it's okay to chastise somebody when you don't know the facts, good for you. I think it's bad form. You didn't comment on this, again quite conveniently. 

As for the hand of friendship bit, TBH I don't need friends that prejudge, jump down my throat and give me shit, then try to throw mud at me on a public forum when I question events in a rational and pretty anonymous way.



Lolz what are you on m8?  MY OP was thought out fine - it outlined the facts, didn't name any names etc. I wanted opinions, and of course got a diverse spectrum of replies and opinions, which is good. I can get plenty of games btw, thanks..
 
I certainly have no desire to play somewhere with no common rules for everyone, and with a TD / house endorsement on that kind of behavior. Rest assured I was not the only person that was there that was aghast at the guys reaction. If you had at least acknowledged that you had maybe been a bit quick to take sides without any information on the matter, then I would have been cool with that, alas that's not how things panned out.
 

No need to shout sir.
Given that I didn't name names, If you feel stupid that's unfortunate but not my problem (nor was it my intention). It is a shame you have to resort to such mud-throwing tactics in your reply, rather than sticking to the facts of what happened. it doesn't show a lot of maturity imo.

I thought you might at least deliver a rational response to your handling of the situation at least (since it was your game), esp in a public forum - however I was clearly very wrong and you chose to skim over that bit.

as for "CALL ME OR COME HERE", umm I think you have said what you have to say, but of course I am happy to discuss this in person with you if desired.

anyway honestly no disrespect to you, I was just pretty effing offended at the incident and wanted some opinions.

Good luck with your games now and in the future.

i don;t think this is the place


an exchange of phone numbers via the pm service and a chat may be a start

before u all get a lil silly

Nurse!

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Guys, please keep it civil.

I obviously wasn't at the home game, but I'd vouch for the integrity initial poster.  In this year's Irish Open Main Event I was the player who unintentionally slow rolled pocket Aces against his QQ pre-flop, and knocked him out after thinking the clock had been called on another player and not myself.  He took this extremely well, and recognised my actions for the honest mistake it was, whereas I'm sure some players would have gone off the handle.  On this basis, I can't imagine him getting out of line at a £50 buy in.

Please don't ask for opinions if you are then going to lol me and add more context to the original question after. I still stand by my opinion. What you did was imo wrong, if you don't agree then please don't ask on here again.

It all depends how you showed the bluff, jumping around like Rain Khan slamming the cards down, or turning them over with a cheeky smile...

wow when the sheep are busy taking care of lambs, there's obv a lot of tension in Dundee...

This is brilliant, pick up someone's spelling error and then follow it up with one of your own.

It's pretty clear that you didn't just flip your cards over, and performed the action in an "in your face" kind of way.

Unfortunately I couldn't make the game (bloody uni exams) and I've only met Paul once or twice but he seems a top guy who always seems jovial and friendly.  I actually don't see the need for the OP, what did you hope to achieve?  People here know neither of you but seem to favour The Dundonian's stance, wonder why?

Nutshell........................ ;applause;

Geo

I don't really understand it when people play poker and get all bitchy and offended. In this thread the op has shown a bluff. So what? Was he told not to show a bluff at this home game? If you don't want this to happen a quiet word to tell the newcomer the score would be appropriate enough. Instead. the host has got bitchy, the guy who was bluffed has got bitchy, the op is bitchy and many of the posters on this thread have got bitchy. WHY? Oh, it's the manner in which he has shown it! Deary me, how upsetting for everyone concerned. If playing poker is an emotional rollercoaster for people it's probably time to find a new game. The beauty of a home game is you can invite who you want. So invite who you want.

oh ffs, get over it.

hes bitchy, someone else is bitchy, they're bitchy, we're bitchy(you missed yourself out btw)

most people in the world are bitchy, it's life.

It's a poker forum, ON THE INTERNET, a place where people happily discuss all aspects of anything remotely distastefull that they wouldn't dare say in real life, a place where nearly every other thread descends into a row because someones been offended, it's almost a pre requisite of membership to be bitchy or you'll get dug out, difficult to take seriously anymore really, thats why i'm happy to just amuse myself most of the time on here.

Posted by: bolt pp

Am I supposed to be offended now and get all bitchy like "most people in the world"? Much better to smile at the antics of fools, like the guy who was bluffed could have. I'm sorry, I don't own a handbag at the mo.

How come you didnt come to BB6 Mark?

do i expect you to "get all bitchy" now?  no, you pretty much got that covered by yourself.

I'm not trying to offend you, it's my contention that it's human nature to moan/be bitchy and the internet gives people who wouldn't usually moan/speak up in real life an anonymous platform on which to do so, it's not surprising just a bit sad if anything.

as for this situation if the guy was told it was a friendly game and then slaps his cards down on the table in an antagonising fashion then, as a proponent of live poker, you know that in these circumstances the way he was treated was reasonable as he was a bit out of order.

Pretty clear ?? I was there you weren't, and neither was the Dundonian. he was about 15 feet behind us playing a cashgame. I don't make shit up, and post stories which are false.  Whether u met the host and he's a nice guy or whatever is completely inconsequential incidentally.. 

Additionally, the dealer on the FT thought he overreacted (so he said on msn) .. and i just bumped into another dude who was at the FT and busted 5th, who also thought the guy overreacted.
(so thats 5 players and dealer at table, and at least 3 of em - myself included- thought I did feck all wrong.. go figure..)

I stated in my OP and in another subsequent (futile) post that I didn't rub it in his face and do a rainkhan. I literally slapped my hand down, showed the bluff, and waited for the dealer to begin dealing the next hand. Hardly a calculated rubdown.I didn't even look at the other guy (who I mentioned would crush me like a gnat - so I wasn't going to fuck with him of all people.) - and frankly I was AMAZED at his outburst.  have never seen a seasoned poker player react like this... ever...  On the tables I like everyone to be happy happy friendly friendly too ya'know. Obv there's no +EV  in shooting the goose that lays the golden eggs.  anyway I am done with this thread.. people can say and think what they want.. they always do anyway. :D

I hope tonyG ends up at one of these games.. and some russians. Bring more russians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_o_Xrw-Qo) :).
 
   

Posted by: bolt pp
My contention is poker is about power. If someone slaps down their cards in order to antagonise me then the last thing I'm going to do is get antagonised.

Working m8. At Walsall 2morrow.

my contention is poker is about power

In my experience a friendly home game isn't about poker and the same tactical conventions applied in the professional game arnt usually acceptable.

I think the fact the very first few words you penned in this thread were "I was invited...." - end of - you were invited to a game that has been running a while, it is up to you to make sure AT THE VERY LEAST, you match (and I'd suggest try to surpass) the level of etiquette expected and demanded by the host.  The fact you didn't makes you a douche (to borrow an American Frenchism) in my opinion.

It's not the showing of the bluff andf you know, you trun that bluff over and look sheepishly at the big guy, even fake an apology, I bet you get a big laugh and the message is still sent to the big lad that he can't run over you.  Your delivery was deliberately provocative and obviously out of character for the game - not clever.  Looks like you have to find yet another venue now - DoH!

It seems you are both in the wrong.

Firstly, I wouldn't invite anyone to my home game who I knew 100% wasn't going to cause a problem. You know the guy is already banned from a local casino that you state is pretty hard to be banned from so you must have known the guy you were inviting to your own house might not act like an angel? Apparently the fact that he is a member of blonde poker means he is an upright bloke.

Also, if this guy was niggling people at the outset then should someone not have had a word with him before things got worse? Surely if he was told a lot of the players are not familiar with a proper poker environment and its etiquette then the player would have behaved differently.

On the flipside, I would never go to someones home game and needle people I dont know. Its a home game so the way I behave is gonna be completely different to if I was at a casino. Most people are right in saying that showing the bluff is fine but you may have done it in a poor manner. I've shown plenty of times but never slammed my cards on the table.

This whole thread isnt doing either of you any favours.

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Have I missed something in this thread?

Wasn't the original post more about the fact that the culprit was basically chastised by the home owner, without the home owner being aware of the facts?

So the big laid back kung fu expert is upset that he had been shown a bluff, Tar and Feather the bluffer.

Poker is poker, if you do not want abrasive type poker players at your home games do not invite them.

I think the case is that OP won't be invited back to this friendly home game.

OP is however whining about it on a forum because he treated a social evening of poker like a $10,000 buyin.

because he showed a bluff? wtf r u talking about.

I would guarentee that he is 100x more likely to show a bluff in a comedy home game then in a $10K main event.  Home games are all about firing bluffs through and getting one over on mates.

I think it's the physical manner in how it was done that has pissed people off mate.

Here are the facts in a clear and concise manner!!

I was the dealer on the final table after uncharacteristically busting out early!

Background: I have been to Paul's previous home games and they are honestly ran better than some games at the local casino! SERIOUSLY. It is filled with allot of great guys that love the game and enjoy each others company.

I treat it like a night out, get drunk (sing on the karaoke! while the tournament is still on :P) and the poker almost becomes a side issue of the night. (Crazy that it does considering everyone there loves the game, but it does!)

Now the OP is a lively sort of boy that used to come into the casino allot of the time, he is no stranger to run ins with people. Now I'm not here to say anything about how he plays the game, or the way he talks to other players etc. Infact many people said to me and others when he walked in "what the fuck is he doing here" just because of his reputation and actions in the casino!!!

NOW THIS POST IS NOT A CHARACHTER ASSASINATION, THE GUY PLAYS THE GAME HIS WAY, AND THAT IS FINE, BUT IN DOING SO U ARE NOT GOING TO WIN MANY FRIENDS, AND SHOULD NOT BE UPSET OR AMAZED WHEN PEOPLE REACT.

But he would be the first to tell you that he comes from the school of though that poker is business and he is there to make money etc, and there is nothing wrong with that.

However, he must accept that if adopting this method of the trash talk type player, and the hollywood showing bluffs etc, then some other players who have different styles and personalities, CAN AND WILL TAKE OFFENSE. Now they are entitle to react in whichever way they react.

If the OP is saying showing bluffs etc are part of his strategy, then the other player can equally say "telling him not to slam cards down in front of him is part of his"

IN SUMMATION!!!!!!!!

The OP did slam the cards down and I have said this to him himself on msn, infact when he did it I knew there was gonna be a reaction, because I myself thought it was just simply bad etiquette, nothing particularly vicious, but definitely bad etiquette.

There is a way to get across points, u can say "FU*K off" many ways. The key is choosing the right tone of voice for the situation "FU*K off" can sound friendly and get a laugh if said in a playful way, say it in a different tone and the whole message is completely different!

IN THIS CASE THE OP CHOSE THE WRONG TONE OF VOICE!!!!!

The OP did not get the entire ethos and vibe of the night the key to this whole thing is in the OP's very own title of OP "HOME GAME" this was a home game in someones HOME!!!!!!!!

Forget the poker aspect, there is a certain level of basic etiquette and respect that has to be shown, FORGET THE POKER GAME, you are in someones house as a guest. Paul does not charge any tourney charge etc.

I pride myself on having perfect etiquette, the most annoying I get is when I burst into singing random songs or do some ivey, hellmuth impressions :-)

I AGREE THAT POKER IS A BUSINESS AND IT WAS DECENT MONEY AT STAKE.

YES POKER IS A BUSINESS, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IT IS A "PEOPLE" BUSINESS.

You are dealing with people and reputation is everything, I love my poker friends, you bounce off each other, share the highs and lows, and even borrow money sometimes :P

Also if you get a bad rep, u do get frozen out of games, ESPECIALLY ON THE LIVE SCENE, whether its juicy cash games or getting barred from casinos, it slowly catches up.

I am a 24 year old guy who has played live tournaments across the country with many different players, and have chose not to become a poker brat! Don't get me wrong I like to watch Tony G, Hellmuth etc on TV with all the hysterics etc, but to quote hellmuth "It's like the WWF"!


Pauls house ain't a wrestling ring, and ipods, shades, energy drinks, SHOULD BE BANNED AT ALL FUTURE EVENTS LOL :-)

Barry

f**k the facts

everyone was having enough fun telling everyone else whats what based on speculation

spoiled it

i just want to know why the dundee boys never made the blondebash


and 2 why i have never been invited to pauls home games

means i will have to teach him a lesson next time he comes up north


dont worry i wont be showing bluffs though i always have the nuts

FACTS spoiled it for us all.

Richard Herring (in a sarcastic manner): "Well, you can prove anything with facts..."

you can prove anything with facts.  FACT.

97.6% of statistics are made up on the spot. FACT

LOL