BS in a live homegame

[I KNOW IT]

Posted by: bolt pp

oh ffs, get over it.

hes bitchy, someone else is bitchy, they're bitchy, we're bitchy(you missed yourself out btw)

most people in the world are bitchy, it's life.

It's a poker forum, ON THE INTERNET, a place where people happily discuss all aspects of anything remotely distastefull that they wouldn't dare say in real life, a place where nearly every other thread descends into a row because someones been offended, it's almost a pre requisite of membership to be bitchy or you'll get dug out, difficult to take seriously anymore really, thats why i'm happy to just amuse myself most of the time on here.

Am I supposed to be offended now and get all bitchy like "most people in the world"? Much better to smile at the antics of fools, like the guy who was bluffed could have. I'm sorry, I don't own a handbag at the mo.

How come you didnt come to BB6 Mark?

[bolt pp]

Posted by: bolt pp

oh ffs, get over it.

hes bitchy, someone else is bitchy, they're bitchy, we're bitchy(you missed yourself out btw)

most people in the world are bitchy, it's life.

It's a poker forum, ON THE INTERNET, a place where people happily discuss all aspects of anything remotely distastefull that they wouldn't dare say in real life, a place where nearly every other thread descends into a row because someones been offended, it's almost a pre requisite of membership to be bitchy or you'll get dug out, difficult to take seriously anymore really, thats why i'm happy to just amuse myself most of the time on here.

Am I supposed to be offended now and get all bitchy like "most people in the world"? Much better to smile at the antics of fools, like the guy who was bluffed could have. I'm sorry, I don't own a handbag at the mo.

do i expect you to "get all bitchy" now?  no, you pretty much got that covered by yourself.

I'm not trying to offend you, it's my contention that it's human nature to moan/be bitchy and the internet gives people who wouldn't usually moan/speak up in real life an anonymous platform on which to do so, it's not surprising just a bit sad if anything.

as for this situation if the guy was told it was a friendly game and then slaps his cards down on the table in an antagonising fashion then, as a proponent of live poker, you know that in these circumstances the way he was treated was reasonable as he was a bit out of order.

[alexross]

It's pretty clear that you didn't just flip your cards over, and performed the action in an "in your face" kind of way.
 

Pretty clear ?? I was there you weren't, and neither was the Dundonian. he was about 15 feet behind us playing a cashgame. I don't make shit up, and post stories which are false.  Whether u met the host and he's a nice guy or whatever is completely inconsequential incidentally.. 

Additionally, the dealer on the FT thought he overreacted (so he said on msn) .. and i just bumped into another dude who was at the FT and busted 5th, who also thought the guy overreacted.
(so thats 5 players and dealer at table, and at least 3 of em - myself included- thought I did feck all wrong.. go figure..)

I stated in my OP and in another subsequent (futile) post that I didn't rub it in his face and do a rainkhan. I literally slapped my hand down, showed the bluff, and waited for the dealer to begin dealing the next hand. Hardly a calculated rubdown.I didn't even look at the other guy (who I mentioned would crush me like a gnat - so I wasn't going to fuck with him of all people.) - and frankly I was AMAZED at his outburst.  have never seen a seasoned poker player react like this... ever...  On the tables I like everyone to be happy happy friendly friendly too ya'know. Obv there's no +EV  in shooting the goose that lays the golden eggs.  anyway I am done with this thread.. people can say and think what they want.. they always do anyway.

I hope tonyG ends up at one of these games.. and some russians. Bring more russians .
 
   

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: bolt pp

I'm not trying to offend you, it's my contention that it's human nature to moan/be bitchy and the internet gives people who wouldn't usually moan/speak up in real life an anonymous platform on which to do so, it's not surprising just a bit sad if anything.

My contention is poker is about power. If someone slaps down their cards in order to antagonise me then the last thing I'm going to do is get antagonised.

How come you didnt come to BB6 Mark?

Working m8. At Walsall 2morrow.

[bolt pp]

my contention is poker is about power

In my experience a friendly home game isn't about poker and the same tactical conventions applied in the professional game arnt usually acceptable.

[stoneii]

eh? Let's keep this convo in proper context. it was final table of a £50 quid rebuy with ~30 runners, a GBPT winner, a GUKPT final tablist etc. not just a "friendly homer" with a bunch of fish.

1st pays £1100. I showed a bluff, and I am out of order? 

lol. good one. 

I think the fact the very first few words you penned in this thread were "I was invited...." - end of - you were invited to a game that has been running a while, it is up to you to make sure AT THE VERY LEAST, you match (and I'd suggest try to surpass) the level of etiquette expected and demanded by the host.  The fact you didn't makes you a douche (to borrow an American Frenchism) in my opinion.

It's not the showing of the bluff andf you know, you trun that bluff over and look sheepishly at the big guy, even fake an apology, I bet you get a big laugh and the message is still sent to the big lad that he can't run over you.  Your delivery was deliberately provocative and obviously out of character for the game - not clever.  Looks like you have to find yet another venue now - DoH!

[GreekStein]

It seems you are both in the wrong.

Firstly, I wouldn't invite anyone to my home game who I knew 100% wasn't going to cause a problem. You know the guy is already banned from a local casino that you state is pretty hard to be banned from so you must have known the guy you were inviting to your own house might not act like an angel? Apparently the fact that he is a member of blonde poker means he is an upright bloke.

Also, if this guy was niggling people at the outset then should someone not have had a word with him before things got worse? Surely if he was told a lot of the players are not familiar with a proper poker environment and its etiquette then the player would have behaved differently.

On the flipside, I would never go to someones home game and needle people I dont know. Its a home game so the way I behave is gonna be completely different to if I was at a casino. Most people are right in saying that showing the bluff is fine but you may have done it in a poor manner. I've shown plenty of times but never slammed my cards on the table.

This whole thread isnt doing either of you any favours.

[jizzemm]

This whole thread isnt doing either of you any favours.

 

[owen1923]

Have I missed something in this thread?

Wasn't the original post more about the fact that the culprit was basically chastised by the home owner, without the home owner being aware of the facts?

So the big laid back kung fu expert is upset that he had been shown a bluff, Tar and Feather the bluffer.

Poker is poker, if you do not want abrasive type poker players at your home games do not invite them.

[Gryff]

Have I missed something in this thread?

Wasn't the original post more about the fact that the culprit was basically chastised by the home owner, without the home owner being aware of the facts?

So the big laid back kung fu expert is upset that he had been shown a bluff, Tar and Feather the bluffer.

Poker is poker, if you do not want abrasive type poker players at your home games do not invite them.

I think the case is that OP won't be invited back to this friendly home game.

OP is however whining about it on a forum because he treated a social evening of poker like a $10,000 buyin.

[LeKnave]

OP is however whining about it on a forum because he treated a social evening of poker like a $10,000 buyin.

because he showed a bluff? wtf r u talking about.

I would guarentee that he is 100x more likely to show a bluff in a comedy home game then in a $10K main event.  Home games are all about firing bluffs through and getting one over on mates.

[FuglyBaz]

OP is however whining about it on a forum because he treated a social evening of poker like a $10,000 buyin.

because he showed a bluff? wtf r u talking about.

I would guarentee that he is 100x more likely to show a bluff in a comedy home game then in a $10K main event.  Home games are all about firing bluffs through and getting one over on mates.

I think it's the physical manner in how it was done that has pissed people off mate.

[gingertoys]

Here are the facts in a clear and concise manner!!

I was the dealer on the final table after uncharacteristically busting out early!

Background: I have been to Paul's previous home games and they are honestly ran better than some games at the local casino! SERIOUSLY. It is filled with allot of great guys that love the game and enjoy each others company.

I treat it like a night out, get drunk (sing on the karaoke! while the tournament is still on ) and the poker almost becomes a side issue of the night. (Crazy that it does considering everyone there loves the game, but it does!)

Now the OP is a lively sort of boy that used to come into the casino allot of the time, he is no stranger to run ins with people. Now I'm not here to say anything about how he plays the game, or the way he talks to other players etc. Infact many people said to me and others when he walked in "what the fuck is he doing here" just because of his reputation and actions in the casino!!!

NOW THIS POST IS NOT A CHARACHTER ASSASINATION, THE GUY PLAYS THE GAME HIS WAY, AND THAT IS FINE, BUT IN DOING SO U ARE NOT GOING TO WIN MANY FRIENDS, AND SHOULD NOT BE UPSET OR AMAZED WHEN PEOPLE REACT.

But he would be the first to tell you that he comes from the school of though that poker is business and he is there to make money etc, and there is nothing wrong with that.

However, he must accept that if adopting this method of the trash talk type player, and the hollywood showing bluffs etc, then some other players who have different styles and personalities, CAN AND WILL TAKE OFFENSE. Now they are entitle to react in whichever way they react.

If the OP is saying showing bluffs etc are part of his strategy, then the other player can equally say "telling him not to slam cards down in front of him is part of his"

IN SUMMATION!!!!!!!!

The OP did slam the cards down and I have said this to him himself on msn, infact when he did it I knew there was gonna be a reaction, because I myself thought it was just simply bad etiquette, nothing particularly vicious, but definitely bad etiquette.

There is a way to get across points, u can say "FU*K off" many ways. The key is choosing the right tone of voice for the situation "FU*K off" can sound friendly and get a laugh if said in a playful way, say it in a different tone and the whole message is completely different!

IN THIS CASE THE OP CHOSE THE WRONG TONE OF VOICE!!!!!

The OP did not get the entire ethos and vibe of the night the key to this whole thing is in the OP's very own title of OP "HOME GAME" this was a home game in someones HOME!!!!!!!!

Forget the poker aspect, there is a certain level of basic etiquette and respect that has to be shown, FORGET THE POKER GAME, you are in someones house as a guest. Paul does not charge any tourney charge etc.

I pride myself on having perfect etiquette, the most annoying I get is when I burst into singing random songs or do some ivey, hellmuth impressions :-)

I AGREE THAT POKER IS A BUSINESS AND IT WAS DECENT MONEY AT STAKE.

YES POKER IS A BUSINESS, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IT IS A "PEOPLE" BUSINESS.

You are dealing with people and reputation is everything, I love my poker friends, you bounce off each other, share the highs and lows, and even borrow money sometimes

Also if you get a bad rep, u do get frozen out of games, ESPECIALLY ON THE LIVE SCENE, whether its juicy cash games or getting barred from casinos, it slowly catches up.

I am a 24 year old guy who has played live tournaments across the country with many different players, and have chose not to become a poker brat! Don't get me wrong I like to watch Tony G, Hellmuth etc on TV with all the hysterics etc, but to quote hellmuth "It's like the WWF"!


Pauls house ain't a wrestling ring, and ipods, shades, energy drinks, SHOULD BE BANNED AT ALL FUTURE EVENTS LOL :-)

Barry

[bolt pp]

f**k the facts

everyone was having enough fun telling everyone else whats what based on speculation

spoiled it

[Ironside]

i just want to know why the dundee boys never made the blondebash


and 2 why i have never been invited to pauls home games

means i will have to teach him a lesson next time he comes up north


dont worry i wont be showing bluffs though i always have the nuts