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Ok - I'm not sure on my play here and would like some input please. Tnx

blinds 100-200

I raise in the cut off with 66 to 700

BB calls. I have played a couple of small pots with this guy tonight already and won them so I'm not sure if he's calling with anything or tilt.

flop 2 4 Q rainbow

BB checks. I wasn't sure where I was - I failed to continuation bet. 1. I assume I should have done - but if he had them reraised I'm not sure where I am in any case. If I should have continuation bet how much?

We are in the freezeout part of the comp now.

How many chips do u both have?

I had about 4500 and he covered me - he had over 10k

when you've got answers to this Trace, make sure you describe the turn action. Interesting stuff if you can rationalise your thought process there.

I think I'd have made a continuation bet here of about half the pot, 800 probably.  If he comes over the top then I'd probably have to lay it down, but I'd rather invest a bit on the flop hoping to get rid of him rather than give him either a free card, or get drawn in deeper on the turn.

Agreed

geo

Why did you raise pre-flop Trace? Think about this question. What if someone raises you? You wouldn't know where you stand. My point is that you raise pre-flop because you think you may well have the best hand and you have position.

Now when the flop comes down and your oppo checks look what happens.

The reasons you raised in the first place are still relevant, but they have been replaced with doubt for some reason. You probably still have the best hand and your position means you know your oppo has already checked. The texture of the flop is very good for you and so a continuation bet of 900 is appropriate because you are simply continuing your pre-flop mentality, and why wouldn't you?

I think the fact that you have been taking pots of this guy makes you do this.

One of the most important factors here is your image. If you haven't been very aggressive why would he check a hand to you? You say he could well be playing nothing and for me there isn't a single advantage in checking. You only check because of the doubt you have.

This is probably not the best advice in the World and is based more on playing you heads up than anything else but if you continuation bet here then the guy may have been observing you play and be prepared to check re-raise you with very little.

The queen is a worry but not unduly so I'd be prepared to continuation bet and if necessary re-raise a re-raise - if you're unlucky and he does have the queen or over-pair to your 6's then fair enough, unless you have been overly aggressive and he is trapping I'd offer better than 2:1 that you are ahead at this point.

I would make it less pre especially from the cutoff anywhere between 500-600 im happy with. This allows to a better risk reward when we do win the blinds and allows to play deeper postflop giving us more options.

As played i would bet about 1000 and play from there, though i would probably have to chuck it to a raise. Our hand is likely to be good here and allowing a free card is normal to villain benefit not ours here.

ok thanks so far.

Turn comes a  2c

so board now reads  2d Qh 4s  2c

He bets the pot.

Now what? I have the feeling he's missed and is representing a blinds type hand. I don't think he has anything but I don't know how I know that and obv could be wrong but gut instinct says he has nothing.

He bets the pot because you checked. It rings alarm bells with you because it doesn't fit with his flop check. If he checked because he's strong why would he now over-bet when you've shown weakness? Because there is 3k in the pot and this is approx what you have left I would push, or if I do call it will be with the intention of calling any river bet.

While he could have you beat with 7-7/8-8 and was looking to c-r the flop I'm still happy to get my chips in here.

The flop c-b has the advantage of allowing you the opportunity to get away from the hand if he does c-r on a dry board whereas now I would be committed to the hand. This is why it's senseless to avoid the c-bet. I'm more wary about this scenario than getting raised on the flop.

Raise less pre, 600 is what i would make it.

If you have a resonably agg image and he is similar then i am betting to induce on the flop so something like 800.

As played fispump jam the turn, you are only behind here if he is a really bad player.

You must continue here to define your hand..you have position and are the orignal aggressor and will take the pot down there and then a lot of the time.

His action after the continuation will give u massive information about his hand.

The turn bet makes no sense and is nearly always a stab because u showed weakness on the flop. If he has a 2 the bet is too big and likely to frighten u away .

im probably moving in...if he has it all well and good....with luton standard at the mo he prob called u out of position with a rag ace or KJ...

What does that mean please?

Also I'm not sure what image I have at the table, I often play tight but I think I'm becoming more aggressive with building confidence, but only when I hold cards - it's still difficult for me to bluff.


I think I was worried about the continuation bet because I find that a lot of guys will then want to kill the hand dead and come over the top and then I still don't know where I am. If he were to come over the top what info have I gained? I could still be ahead but folding to an all in raise.

On reflection I think I'm agreeing with everything you are saying here - can you just expand on this point please as I'm not sure what you mean by that. Tnx

You answer your own question here...... All in on the turn.

yeah, sucks when he has 77 though/

Means punch the air and celebrate as you shove the rest of your chips into this ridic high EV spot.

Posted by: Dingdell
You say that you probably should c-bet but you are concerned he might come over the top. So your doubt prevents you making the play you think is correct. The reality is that an opponent coming over the top of the pre-flop raiser is a big, risky move and as such is the most unlikely scenario. Certainly less likely than your doubt suggests it is, and especially because the board doesn't have any drawing interest.

Tournament poker is a lot about exposing doubt in your opponents, so if he does come over the top he may get you to fold the best hand by exposing YOUR doubt, but fair play to him. Much better for you to pressure HIS doubt by c-betting and putting HIM in the quandary of whether to make this big move than to check and let him off, just in case he does. You gain much better information about how he wants to play the hand out this way. If you check you are basically just inviting him to bet the turn and he could do this with any hand. He may badly want to raise you, but thinking it and doing it are two different things entirely.

Posted by: Dingdell
If you have won a number of recent pots off this guy without showing you can't raise him off this one as well can you? How can you have yet another hand? He must surely suspect you're not that strong AGAIN. So he must come over the top this time, right? I find a number of players, particularly female, think this way because they are a little less ruthless than men. The fact that you've hammered this guy a bit means that you are more wary about being caught this time, and this doubt leads you through the hand more than it should. Bugger this guy. If he wants to call one of Dingdell's raises then he should expect pain right? Don't disappoint him.

Unless you fold the turn Trace, you will be putting in much more than the 800 chips a c-bet would have cost you, so avoiding it is more dangerous than embracing it.

Yeehah!! That's exactly what I was thinking - I have folded hands early doors even if they are good raising hands just because I've been hammering the table and worried I might not get that one through....amazing insight - thank you.

If he's got a good hand here then he checks again to give the original raiser one more chance to bet out. He's got no reason to bet the 2 other than to buy the pot or if he's very good to make it look like he's trying to buy the pot.

I don't like to c bet the flop here. Your hand isn't strong enough to fight back if he raises and the c bet is so predictable he might raise you if he's seen weakness in you previously.

Checking the flop and then jamming to his bet on the turn looks really strong. He's bet the turn trying to take the pot down because you looked weak on the flop. Raise him all in and he folds like a baby and you get to smile smuggly to yourself.

You definitely can't call here because he will put you all in on the river and then you're screwed.

the man, and Flushy, said it. As played the chips go in.

I figure I am ahead - I don't think the 2 has helped - my thought process is if I fold I'm having to grind - and if I won I'm above avergae chips.

I decided to push all in. Delighted that there is no instacall. He dwells for some time and then calls my all in with Ad Ks.

River card is  6h - happy days.

Thanks for the advice guys - really helpful - I'm off to practice...

I used to be a grinder until Flushy took the piss out of me a few times when I posted. I took the advice on board and now know that what you have done here is the only way to play.

To quote one of his comments "I thought the idea was to get all of the chips"

He's right! Well played Dingdell  ;applause;

EDIT: I haven't won anything since but at least I get to be CL more often now ;D

Well played indeed. :)

NIce play tracey

Tracey, it is nice to see that you are looking to analyze a hand that you won.  Too many people win a hand and think that they played it right every time.
Good players dont only analyze the hands they lost but also the ones that they won.

Well played on the turn.

alot ofpeople wont agree with me but i can find an argument for just jamming here

wrong

I hear ya!

Great Thread!

One of the best I have read for a while

Incidently, what do you think of his call with AK in his position with his chips?

I am pushing all day long with AK there in this situation. Or would you call with the AK and shove on any flop?

horrible play obv. miss the flop then do half your stack almost. lol quality imo.

live poker ftw


If you could multi table live i reckon i would own Grovesnor by the end of 2010

FYP

I would have folded the AK pre - out of position with A-high no need to get involved imo, the raiser has made a substantial raise and so it's quite likely ace high is behind here (which it was). Fold and wait for a better situation.

+1 playing with fire imo

The original raiser raised 3.5 BBs from the cut off...folding AK here is criminal.

Rob, this is ecatly what I would do , I just like to offer different plays to see people's thoughts

So what do you play at this stage of the competition?

boldie stop posting, please, its like watching a turtle on his back!

No wonder we need 20,000 chips

James/Jim

Meaning?

The bb has tracey well out chipped and folding ak to a cut off raise in an unraised pot???   

He has to raise here and put her to a decision..... This is the essence of no limit...

If your going to run that scared then play limit poker.....and dont go outside in case you get hit by a falling piano

AK is a drawing hand which you play with strength...it has the potential to be a massive hand but if you miss you must be able to get away from it...fold if you like but dont flat call out of position... that is the worst possible play

The cut off range is wider in an unraised pot and reraising here defines your hand and gives you the old 2 ways to win a pot...i think if tracey is re raised here for her tourney life she folds.....

Folding AK here with substantial chip advantage ( even out of position ) against a cut off raise is hugely weak...please play against me

i think the best way to play AK is to min raise to define it, then fold to a reraise cos obv it's just a drawing hand.

Bet 4500  to win 300.........fantastic play !!   Are we on some kind of overbet of the night prop ??

By min raising you give them the odds to call and lose one of your chances to take the pot down there and then...the original raiser is going no where with position for 700 into 2400.........

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Rob ty.

+1

Some people are just truly hilarious.

LMAO  rotflmfao

SO SO Gullable - the usual piss takers!!

Cant believe you think I actually fold AK in this spot. Shame on you James, you even thought that the "FAO Charmaine" post was a wind up.

TY all , you've made my day  ;busted;

lol OK..I must have gotten whooshed then.

Was aimed at boldie and sicilian for not getting the obv level by Rob

I actually thought you were joining in the windup, i know you aint that bad!!

TOO EARLY FOR ALL THIS ;surrender; OK U GOT ME

But remember I play at Luton G...much of above standard....LOL

the joke is on rob imo looool. Obv they dont think much of his game if they believe he is capable of such a play!  :)

Same here..very easily whooshed..especially as I wouldn't be surprised of some people actually playing AK like this..."It's not that good a hand" apparently. :)

I would still be sat there now waiting for the aces!

quality. wp rob.

level?

this is quality.

Nice to see you finally get through a big field Alex !

Just how big was this field?

Even poor players can win the odd tournament

 ;hide;

must have been a heads up comp with seb imo

22

classy field though.

I wasn't in it for starters, so better than average.

Thinley veiled dig imo

Thinly Veiled ?!?!?

You know I don't do subtlety (?sp)

I thought it was blatantly obvious!

(in a friendly banter sort of way that is)

LOL I'm sure.......fortunately I know im not very good...but dont tell anyone else or I might stop getting results

LOL

You're not THAT bad ;)

Oh Yes I am   :)up

He is!!! ;)

just seen this. 1 word. Bastards.

But ur worse...Heh Heh  !!

lol