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Title: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 24, 2008, 06:05:50 PM
lol?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bolt pp on May 24, 2008, 06:06:46 PM
Is it?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: sledge13 on May 24, 2008, 06:07:48 PM
If true...shows whats wrong with top flight footy imo...Anelka type players still get paid obscene wages with little effort and couldnt care less about theor clubs....sikkkk


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: ChipRich on May 24, 2008, 06:08:21 PM
Ridic, nothing pleases Roman.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: AndrewT on May 24, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
Imagine how grumpy he'll look now?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 24, 2008, 06:09:23 PM
lol?

Jesus..Abramovich will make a mess of the club. How good a job did he expect Grant to do?
I would hate to be a Chelsea fan right now as it looks like Abramovich is looking for short term success...a recipe for ruin.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 24, 2008, 06:11:24 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/05/24/SOCCER_Chelsea_Snap.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7418774.stm

I also can't see Drogba staying now...and if I was Lampard I'd think twice about staying (even though I think he's a twat)


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 24, 2008, 06:13:12 PM
Ludicrous, but utterly predictable


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Robert HM on May 24, 2008, 06:15:44 PM
Crazy


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 24, 2008, 06:15:52 PM
Wonder if winning the cl would've even made any diff Predictions for next manager mancini 4 me


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: scotty2hatty on May 24, 2008, 06:16:11 PM
Rumoured to be Alex Rae from Dundee


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 24, 2008, 06:16:23 PM
Wonder if winning the cl would've even made any diff Predictions for next manager mancini 4 me

Rijkaard?



Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: AndrewT on May 24, 2008, 06:17:27 PM
Wonder if winning the cl would've even made any diff Predictions for next manager mancini 4 me

Rijkaard?

Ian Holloway obv.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 24, 2008, 06:18:13 PM
really does show up everything that is wrong with top flight footy these days, the guy won more points than Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal in his league games since taking over and got Chelsea to 2 cup finals where a fluke penalty miss deprived them of the biggest title in European football. He appears to have got the sack because he didnt play 4 attackers or tell jokes like Tarby, I hope they get what they deserve really, an Ozzie Ardiles type manager that can make the press laugh and they finish 6th in the league. ;o)


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bolt pp on May 24, 2008, 06:18:27 PM
Wonder if winning the cl would've even made any diff Predictions for next manager mancini 4 me

Rijkaard?

Ian Holloway obv.

+1


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Ironside on May 24, 2008, 06:19:34 PM
erikson


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: sledge13 on May 24, 2008, 06:20:31 PM
Ossie Ardiles OBV!


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: totalise on May 24, 2008, 06:20:57 PM
wonder if they will keep Drogba just to give another display of their executive nouse!


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: DaveShoelace on May 24, 2008, 06:31:02 PM
Mourinio to get his job back?

Ericcson would be a brilliant move and I reckon he would win things with Chelsea. They would be even more boring to watch though.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 24, 2008, 06:36:21 PM
M Laudrup 2/1   
Erikkson, S 4/1   
G Hiddink 4/1 
F Rijkaard 7/1   
M Lippi 12/1   
L Scolari 12/1   
G Zola 12/1   
C Ancelotti 14/1
O Hitzfeld 16/1
M Hughes 20/1 
D Advocaat 25/1
D Deschamps 25/1
M Van Basten 33/1
S Bilic 33/1 
H Redknapp 33/1 
R Benitez 33/1 
J Klinnsmann 33/1 
G Houllier 33/1 
B Schuster 40/1   
C Ranieri 50/1 


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 24, 2008, 06:39:00 PM
M Laudrup 2/1   
Erikkson, S 4/1   
G Hiddink 4/1 
F Rijkaard 7/1   
M Lippi 12/1   
L Scolari 12/1   
G Zola 12/1   
C Ancelotti 14/1
O Hitzfeld 16/1
M Hughes 20/1 
D Advocaat 25/1
D Deschamps 25/1
M Van Basten 33/1
S Bilic 33/1 
H Redknapp 33/1 
R Benitez 33/1 
J Klinnsmann 33/1 
G Houllier 33/1 
B Schuster 40/1   
C Ranieri 50/1 

Laudrup???


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Ironside on May 24, 2008, 06:39:18 PM
what about odds on walter smith and wgs ?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 24, 2008, 06:41:43 PM
M Laudrup 2/1   
Erikkson, S 4/1   
G Hiddink 4/1 
F Rijkaard 7/1   
M Lippi 12/1   
L Scolari 12/1   
G Zola 12/1   
C Ancelotti 14/1
O Hitzfeld 16/1
M Hughes 20/1 
D Advocaat 25/1
D Deschamps 25/1
M Van Basten 33/1
S Bilic 33/1 
H Redknapp 33/1 
R Benitez 33/1 
J Klinnsmann 33/1 
G Houllier 33/1 
B Schuster 40/1   
C Ranieri 50/1 

Laudrup???

??? Whats that about what's he even doing


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: AndrewT on May 24, 2008, 06:46:17 PM
Laudrup was manager of Getafe in the Spanish League but quit last week.

Someone must have seen him having breakfast somewhere on Fulham Road this week for him to be 2/1.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Dewi_cool on May 24, 2008, 06:53:17 PM
give it to Harry


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 24, 2008, 07:00:44 PM
If anyone wants a bet on next years Prem Ive stuck up a market on BF.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: 77dave on May 24, 2008, 07:01:29 PM
Sir Alex?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Royal Flush on May 24, 2008, 07:28:02 PM
Sven surely?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: jizzemm on May 24, 2008, 08:03:42 PM
Mourinio to get his job back?


Sounds possible, but dont think it will happen


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: LLevan on May 24, 2008, 08:19:28 PM
Sven was originally wanted by Roman when he was England coach, just a shame the FA didn't let him go then and maybe the Wally with the Brolly wouldnt have been made coach since he wouldnt have had much experience as the No2 to Sven.
Having said that I dont think Sven's teams play particularly attractive football which is supposedly why Mourinho got the sack.
Hiiddink seems the most likely at this stage.
I just wonder how much time any successor will get and whether Roman is starting to get bored of owning Chelsea and might decide to cut his losses and run.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: jizzemm on May 24, 2008, 08:20:37 PM
Roman is starting to get bored of owning Chelsea and might decide to cut his losses and run.

Plz be true...


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: AndrewT on May 24, 2008, 08:36:47 PM
Roman's not going anywhere. Chelsea is the main focus in his life right now. He is winding down his involvements in his businesses back in Russia so he can concentrate full time on Chelsea.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: LLevan on May 24, 2008, 08:44:04 PM
Roman's not going anywhere. Chelsea is the main focus in his life right now. He is winding down his involvements in his businesses back in Russia so he can concentrate full time on Chelsea.

Maybe he fancies managing them himself lol


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: -bluffer- on May 24, 2008, 08:46:29 PM
really does show up everything that is wrong with top flight footy these days, the guy won more points than Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal in his league games since taking over and got Chelsea to 2 cup finals where a fluke penalty miss deprived them of the biggest title in European football. He appears to have got the sack because he didnt play 4 attackers or tell jokes like Tarby, I hope they get what they deserve really, an Ozzie Ardiles type manager that can make the press laugh and they finish 6th in the league. ;o)

Nah he wouldnt have lasted this long if he did.

-bluffer-


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: kinboshi on May 24, 2008, 08:49:38 PM
Roman's not going anywhere. Chelsea is the main focus in his life right now. He is winding down his involvements in his businesses back in Russia so he can concentrate full time on Chelsea.

Maybe he fancies managing them himself lol

Chelsea v Man Citeh will be interesting affairs.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Graham C on May 24, 2008, 11:37:51 PM
Ridic, nothing pleases Roman.

I agree.  I'm amazed at what Roman expects to get out of Chelsea.   Half of me wants him to get disillusioned and pull out of the Prem all together.   Crazy, I wonder who'd want to take over when 2nd in the Prem, Runners up in the Carling Cup and Champions League isn't enough

LOL is right.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 25, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
really does show up everything that is wrong with top flight footy these days, the guy won more points than Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal in his league games since taking over and got Chelsea to 2 cup finals where a fluke penalty miss deprived them of the biggest title in European football. He appears to have got the sack because he didnt play 4 attackers or tell jokes like Tarby, I hope they get what they deserve really, an Ozzie Ardiles type manager that can make the press laugh and they finish 6th in the league. ;o)

Even worse is that he probably still would have been sacked if they had of won the cup too!

Surely this isn't a suprise though. There was loads of talk at the time that he was jsut there for a year so that a national team coach could take it after the Euro's. Abram owns Hiddink too, which might help.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 25, 2008, 11:54:34 AM
Surely though hiddink couldn't do both jobs so would have to quit russia as a believe he's signed a contract til 2010 and i would be suprised if roman would want to take him away from the russia job.Mancini 4 the win imo.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 25, 2008, 12:22:00 PM
Yeah couldnt do both so tricky. Hiddink has also apparently said that he doesn't want the Chelsea job, he's still second fav after all that. He's the best on the list and I'd be suprised if Roman doesn't want the best for his toy.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 25, 2008, 12:41:50 PM
But does he want to be hated by his whole country for taking away from them the best manager they've probably ever had


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 25, 2008, 06:48:24 PM
He'll just buy anyone who says they hate him.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 25, 2008, 06:49:47 PM
He'll just kill mafioso styleeeeeeee anyone who says they hate him.

FYP


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 25, 2008, 06:53:46 PM
He'll just kill mafioso styleeeeeeee anyone who says they hate him.

FYP

I was going to put that but thought better of it....  ;hide;


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 25, 2008, 07:13:41 PM
Yeah couldnt do both so tricky. Hiddink has also apparently said that he doesn't want the Chelsea job, he's still second fav after all that. He's the best on the list and I'd be suprised if Roman doesn't want the best for his toy.

Hiddink is a man of his word though so won't be walking out of the Russia job. I would be very surprised if he said he'll do both jobs and still take the Chelsea job..that's not like the man at all.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on May 25, 2008, 07:14:50 PM
I want Sven tbh. Ridic sacking of Avram no doubt.

Zola @ 12/1 is funny, would love that!


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Nem on May 25, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Roman is starting to get bored of owning Chelsea and might decide to cut his losses and run.

Plz be true...

+1

Also Scholari or Hiddink fts.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 25, 2008, 09:21:33 PM
Abramovich's funding of Chelski is structured as a loan

£564m to date and counting!!!

If he were to leave, watch the London property market collapse quicker!


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: turny on May 26, 2008, 04:48:33 AM
Abramovich's funding of Chelski is structured as a loan

£564m to date and counting!!!

If he were to leave, watch the London property market collapse quicker!

complete bollocks not one penny invested by abramovich is a loan


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 26, 2008, 11:34:29 AM
Abramovich's funding of Chelski is structured as a loan

£564m to date and counting!!!

If he were to leave, watch the London property market collapse quicker!

complete bollocks not one penny invested by abramovich is a loan

You sure? There is a massive creditor in the balance sheet.

Also, this seems to have some worrying bits and pieces in it. Chairmen should not be involved in team selection or player recruitment. Ask Hearts.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3612090,00.html


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Indestructable on May 26, 2008, 11:36:10 AM
Roman is starting to get bored of owning Chelsea and might decide to cut his losses and run.

Plz be true...

+1

Also Scholari or Hiddink fts.

Noo, we want Scholari.
 :o


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 26, 2008, 11:39:56 AM
Abramovich's funding of Chelski is structured as a loan

£564m to date and counting!!!

If he were to leave, watch the London property market collapse quicker!

complete bollocks not one penny invested by abramovich is a loan

I beg to differ. Not saying he's off at all, but its structured as a loan


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 26, 2008, 11:41:40 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/may/20/premierleague.chelsea


see this article


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 26, 2008, 11:42:51 AM
last para

"If the owner's enthusiasm were ever to wane, and Abramovich decided he did want his loan back, the accounts show that Chelsea would have 18 months to find the money"

not that he will, but its interesting financial chicanery.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 26, 2008, 11:48:27 AM
last para

"If the owner's enthusiasm were ever to wane, and Abramovich decided he did want his loan back, the accounts show that Chelsea would have 18 months to find the money"

not that he will, but its interesting financial chicanery.

You could have saved me a £1. Really interesting set of accounts though (if thats not an oxymoron).


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: turny on May 26, 2008, 11:59:02 AM
its in the papers so must be true


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 26, 2008, 12:00:33 PM
available for £1 here http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ :)up


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: turny on May 26, 2008, 12:15:32 PM
available for £1 here http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ :)up


il save my £1!

if abramovich is to go chelsea will still be in better shape than when he bought them and as owner he is liable for any debt so basically he will owe himself! obviously he will look to sell the club any new owner would have to buy the debt just like he did.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 26, 2008, 01:43:34 PM
on Betfair there is £39 available to lay on Mark Hughes at prices from 11.5/1 to 13/1 and £25 available to lay on Mourinho at 19/1 - 21/1.

Has there ever been an easier way to make £64?

any1 who can be arsed to tie up £480 until the new manager is announced should lay them now imo.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 26, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
on Betfair there is £39 available to lay on Mark Hughes at prices from 11.5/1 to 13/1 and £25 available to lay on Mourinho at 19/1 - 21/1.

Has there ever been an easier way to make £64?

any1 who can be arsed to tie up £480 until the new manager is announced should lay them now imo.

good spot, these look far too short...unless it was your money in which case you got me and Ive laid em. ;o)


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 26, 2008, 03:39:57 PM
on Betfair there is £39 available to lay on Mark Hughes at prices from 11.5/1 to 13/1 and £25 available to lay on Mourinho at 19/1 - 21/1.

Has there ever been an easier way to make £64?

any1 who can be arsed to tie up £480 until the new manager is announced should lay them now imo.

good spot, these look far too short...unless it was your money in which case you got me and Ive laid em. ;o)

lol. They both have 0% chance of being the new Chelsea manager.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 26, 2008, 04:07:52 PM
available for £1 here http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ :)up


il save my £1!

if abramovich is to go chelsea will still be in better shape than when he bought them and as owner he is liable for any debt so basically he will owe himself! obviously he will look to sell the club any new owner would have to buy the debt just like he did.

Really?..since when has that ever been the case in business. Abramovich structured everything as a loan against his company. So Chelsea owes Abramovich's company 500mill...sell all Chelsea assets and he gets some dosh back.

There isn't an individual in the world that would pay 500mill + for Chelsea....If Abramovich leaves you're screwed, make no mistake about that.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Nem on May 26, 2008, 05:23:48 PM
on Betfair there is £39 available to lay on Mark Hughes at prices from 11.5/1 to 13/1 and £25 available to lay on Mourinho at 19/1 - 21/1.

Has there ever been an easier way to make £64?

any1 who can be arsed to tie up £480 until the new manager is announced should lay them now imo.

good spot, these look far too short...unless it was your money in which case you got me and Ive laid em. ;o)

lol. They both have 0% chance of being the new Chelsea manager.

Hughes is a possibility fts imo.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 26, 2008, 07:57:42 PM
on Betfair there is £39 available to lay on Mark Hughes at prices from 11.5/1 to 13/1 and £25 available to lay on Mourinho at 19/1 - 21/1.

Has there ever been an easier way to make £64?

any1 who can be arsed to tie up £480 until the new manager is announced should lay them now imo.

good spot, these look far too short...unless it was your money in which case you got me and Ive laid em. ;o)

lol. They both have 0% chance of being the new Chelsea manager.


I think you are spot on, Mourinhoi would be a huge about turn by both of them and Hughes just doesnt ft the bill for me after they have just sacked a dour man that liked a solid uninspiring set up. Usually when clubs sack managers they employ someone that is opposite of the manager they sacked, a little like the Allardyce for Keegan coup.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: turny on May 26, 2008, 08:39:19 PM
available for £1 here http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ :)up


il save my £1!

if abramovich is to go chelsea will still be in better shape than when he bought them and as owner he is liable for any debt so basically he will owe himself! obviously he will look to sell the club any new owner would have to buy the debt just like he did.

Really?..since when has that ever been the case in business. Abramovich structured everything as a loan against his company. So Chelsea owes Abramovich's company 500mill...sell all Chelsea assets and he gets some dosh back.

There isn't an individual in the world that would pay 500mill + for Chelsea....If Abramovich leaves you're screwed, make no mistake about that.


who cares? so he sells our players to recoup some losses. football will go on but we will become a meadiocre side big deal!

football will survive at stamford bridge


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 26, 2008, 09:29:41 PM
available for £1 here http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ :)up


il save my £1!

if abramovich is to go chelsea will still be in better shape than when he bought them and as owner he is liable for any debt so basically he will owe himself! obviously he will look to sell the club any new owner would have to buy the debt just like he did.

Really?..since when has that ever been the case in business. Abramovich structured everything as a loan against his company. So Chelsea owes Abramovich's company 500mill...sell all Chelsea assets and he gets some dosh back.

There isn't an individual in the world that would pay 500mill + for Chelsea....If Abramovich leaves you're screwed, make no mistake about that.


who cares? so he sells our players to recoup some losses. football will go on but we will become a meadiocre side big deal!

football will survive at stamford bridge

If they don't take the lease off you. Can't be that many other PL clubs that don't own their ground.

Crisis!!  ;ifm;


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 27, 2008, 12:29:57 AM
Frank Rijkaard attracing support now, into nearly 2-1 on Betfair.

Cant really see it myself, as someone else said on here, what has he done?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 12:32:37 AM
He did win champs lge and lge x2 with barca but they did do shite last season does seem like he could be most likely 4 the job.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 27, 2008, 12:35:10 AM
He did win champs lge and lge x2 with barca

;oopsy;


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 12:43:14 AM
He did win champs lge and lge x2 with barca

;oopsy;

LOL maybe not the right man  for the job though he clearly lost the dressing room with the big stars at barca how can you do that shit with a squad of players that are that good


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2008, 12:58:42 AM
He did win champs lge and lge x2 with barca

;oopsy;

LOL maybe not the right man  for the job though he clearly lost the dressing room with the big stars at barca how can you do that shit with a squad of players that are that good

Got to disagree.

He did brilliantly well with Barca until he decided to drop Ronaldinho and Deco (who were both playing crap at the time) and the board started asking why.

He then started playing them in home games and dropping them away from home to ease the crowd/board. He's also under huge pressure to play the likes of (generally unproven) Bojan and Dos Santos as the board fear another Fabregas type steal could happen.

As his own man he's a very good manager. Since the board's interference Barca have been rubbish.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 01:08:50 AM
Do you think there'll be no interference from roman maybe this is problem with the chelseas and barcas of this world in comparison to man utd could you imagine the man u board trying to tell fergie what to do not likely.Bojan is class player by the looks of it so he wasn't really the problem.Without deco and ronaldinho the still have puyol zambrotta messi henry eto'o xavi toure all top top players yet they only come 3rd in the league and although had more possesion than man u didnt really cause them any problems over the 2 legs imo he got the tactics wrong in cl semi and that ultimetly cost him his job (although he probly have gone anyway)


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
Do you think there'll be no interference from roman maybe this is problem with the chelseas and barcas of this world in comparison to man utd could you imagine the man u board trying to tell fergie what to do not likely.Bojan is class player by the looks of it so he wasn't really the problem.Without deco and ronaldinho the still have puyol zambrotta messi henry eto'o xavi toure all top top players yet they only come 3rd in the league and although had more possesion than man u didnt really cause them any problems over the 2 legs imo he got the tactics wrong in cl semi and that ultimetly cost him his job (although he probly have gone anyway)

Yes he did get it a bit wrong in the CL semi. But every year in the CL, EVERY manager gets it a bit wrong at somestage - sometimes even the winning manager.

Most of the players you mention above have had below par seasons.

Maybe the hunger has gone alittle from some of the stars. But you cannot ship out your whole team in a summer, especially on some of the wages they are on.

Fact is he built an amazing team that now needs restructuring and a year or two's transition. However Real/Barca boards have never had patience.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 27, 2008, 01:39:43 AM
Ronaldhinho= serious drink problem apparently.

They cant wait to get shot.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2008, 01:42:46 AM
Ronaldhinho= serious drink problem apparently.

They cant wait to get shot.

Yeah that's what I heard.

Rijkaard was right to drop him. He's been awful this season with the odd half decent half of football.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 27, 2008, 01:58:23 AM
From a guy in Spain that sells team news and odds to firms is the story that Ronny got into big trouble pre season with the drink and never really got over it when the season started, he then began to decline rapidly and admitted he was struggling with a drink problem. The club let him get away with too much(timekeeping to his own clock and tossing it off/turning up in a state when training etc etc) before putting its foot down and this soured many of the players as they viewed it as preferential treatment which in turn lead to the manager losing the dressing room.

Ive seen you follow Barca closely Baron, you heard a similar story?











Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: turny on May 27, 2008, 04:48:50 AM
your all right i give in chelsea are in crisis!



Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Horneris on May 27, 2008, 05:08:58 PM
The Mark Hughes lay isnt looking the best, into 5/1 now.  ;ashamed;

If he gets it i should stick to my horses.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 05:16:40 PM
The Mark Hughes lay isnt looking the best, into 5/1 now.  ;ashamed;

If he gets it i should stick to my horses.

I dont think you have to much to worry bout would be shocked if he were to get it the betting on managers jobs in the prem has been crazy this season the bookies just never seem 2 have a clue.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 27, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
Rijkaard is close...alledgedly.

Mourinho will sign/has signed at Inter.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 27, 2008, 09:04:43 PM
I like the Dechamps shout - even if he is doing most the advertising himself. He's a cracking prospect and has a Chelsea link. I think it would also be a bit of statement for one of the best clubs in Europe to take a manager that has been sacked.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: bobby1 on May 27, 2008, 10:21:53 PM
The Mark Hughes lay isnt looking the best, into 5/1 now.  ;ashamed;

If he gets it i should stick to my horses.

I was up super early today and Hughes was given a good mention in all four good newspapers so ive bet it back at slightly under what I had laid it at so he is a small loser  now. To be honest i think 5/1 is deffo too short,I might lay again if he gets shorter.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
From a guy in Spain that sells team news and odds to firms is the story that Ronny got into big trouble pre season with the drink and never really got over it when the season started, he then began to decline rapidly and admitted he was struggling with a drink problem. The club let him get away with too much(timekeeping to his own clock and tossing it off/turning up in a state when training etc etc) before putting its foot down and this soured many of the players as they viewed it as preferential treatment which in turn lead to the manager losing the dressing room.

Ive seen you follow Barca closely Baron, you heard a similar story?











Not far from what you've just written. I hear it goes even further back though. Apparently the Eto'o/Ronaldinho problems from the season before are to do with Eto'o's dislike of how he and other players are treated compared to Ronaldinho in training etc, seeing as it's Ronnie who is the most unprofessional.

I would sign Eto'o in a heartbeat but wouldn't touch ronaldinho right now.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
I can't understand why there was such strong links with eto'o going to spurs its madness he's world class and one of the best in the world imo he would be a quality signing for anyone of the big 4.If liverpool had him and torres up front and they fit together they really would be title challengers(if rafa played them both that is ;))


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 27, 2008, 11:56:16 PM
I can't understand why there was such strong links with eto'o going to spurs its madness he's world class and one of the best in the world imo he would be a quality signing for anyone of the big 4.If liverpool had him and torres up front and they fit together they really would be title challengers(if rafa played them both that is ;))

Because by all accounts he's a Spurs fan.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 27, 2008, 11:59:10 PM
I can't understand why there was such strong links with eto'o going to spurs its madness he's world class and one of the best in the world imo he would be a quality signing for anyone of the big 4.If liverpool had him and torres up front and they fit together they really would be title challengers(if rafa played them both that is ;))

Because by all accounts he's a Spurs fan.

Not another one.Berbatov is a big newcastle fan used to sleep in newcastle top yet somehow i dont see him signing for the toon.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
I can't understand why there was such strong links with eto'o going to spurs its madness he's world class and one of the best in the world imo he would be a quality signing for anyone of the big 4.If liverpool had him and torres up front and they fit together they really would be title challengers(if rafa played them both that is ;))

Because by all accounts he's a Spurs fan.

Not another one.Berbatov is a big newcastle fan used to sleep in newcastle top yet somehow i dont see him signing for the toon.

Slightly different scenario. Berbatov wants to win things. ;)

In all seriousness though, Ramos has one massive advantage over Keegan in the market when buying from Spain and to some extent the rest of Europe. He's very highly respected as a manager.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2008, 12:09:19 AM
Keegan was a top player and is although not by some on here, respected as a manager I thought a lot of players like to play for a manager who'd actually done it himself therefore is more in touch with a player.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2008, 12:12:30 AM
Keegan was a top player and is although not by some on here, respected as a manager I thought a lot of players like to play for a manager who'd actually done it himself therefore is more in touch with a player.

Fair enough. Im just saying that Keegan isn't totally respected on these shores as a manager. Let alone elsewhere. Ramos is widely regarded as very good.

My point, before the Keegan wind up, was that Eto'o going to Spurs isn't as ridiculous as it would have been if say Jol was still in charge.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2008, 12:15:51 AM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2008, 12:18:57 AM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs

I'd love him at Liverpool but cant see it for the money it'd cost.

I hate our owners.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: 77dave on May 28, 2008, 12:22:50 AM
Torres 20m
Mascharano 15m
babel  11m
skartel 7m
lucas 6m

not been too bad for 1 yr


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2008, 12:25:21 AM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs

I'd love him at Liverpool but cant see it for the money it'd cost.

I hate our owners.

To many clubs being took over by freign owners who ain't really got a clue bout what it means to the fans was always going to be a disaster for 1 club at least unlucky for your lot its liverpool.If they're still there come start of next season liverpool will have 0% chance again of winning the league.You have like 3% chance if they buggar off (3% more than us i no lol).


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 28, 2008, 08:38:10 AM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs

I'd love him at Liverpool but cant see it for the money it'd cost.

I hate our owners.

To many clubs being took over by freign owners who ain't really got a clue bout what it means to the fans was always going to be a disaster for 1 club at least unlucky for your lot its liverpool.If they're still there come start of next season liverpool will have 0% chance again of winning the league.You have like 3% chance if they buggar off (3% more than us i no lol).

I just think it's quite funny that ever since Roman took over at Chelsea all supporters expect new owners to spend 100mill a season. As Dave just pointed out they spent more than 50mill within the first year and that's a fortune by anyones' standards. It's a shame that the owners seems to argue all the time but it's definitely not a lack of investment that's stopping Liverpool from challenging for the league.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: 77dave on May 28, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
tbh im notsure what the problem is with the board. the fans dont like the owners. fine they pay there money they get an opinion.

3 players were signed all beating the club record from previous seasons.

who knows whats happening regarding the investment but things seem to be moving along regarding the stadium.

am i disapointed we went trophyless this season of course but we also did a lot of good and we are def in a better position than 12 months ago.

Anew RB is on board a new left back, maybe a RW and a striker and we are set.

sry for the hijacking of the chelsea thread


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: mondatoo on May 28, 2008, 09:42:44 AM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs

I'd love him at Liverpool but cant see it for the money it'd cost.

I hate our owners.

To many clubs being took over by freign owners who ain't really got a clue bout what it means to the fans was always going to be a disaster for 1 club at least unlucky for your lot its liverpool.If they're still there come start of next season liverpool will have 0% chance again of winning the league.You have like 3% chance if they buggar off (3% more than us i no lol).

I just think it's quite funny that ever since Roman took over at Chelsea all supporters expect new owners to spend 100mill a season. As Dave just pointed out they spent more than 50mill within the first year and that's a fortune by anyones' standards. It's a shame that the owners seems to argue all the time but it's definitely not a lack of investment that's stopping Liverpool from challenging for the league.

How much money have they had from players sold though ? cant really think of top of my head except sissoko for £11m(a think).My point was so much how much they spend but the fact they dont understand  the traditions of clubs liverpool have been an embarrasment this season with how there clubs being run and this has been 100% down to how they owners have conducted themselves.Sometimes it looks like clubs have spent loads of money on transfer fees but don't acknowledge whats gone as well i think we spent £25mil last summer but after transfer fees recvd we only spent something like £6million which is shit considering how much the club makes and how shit the team is.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 28, 2008, 10:21:51 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/7419889.stm


Mancini would be interesting. Played for Leicester at the tail end of his career, lol. Great preparation for the Premiership  ;hide;


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: boldie on May 28, 2008, 10:31:48 AM
Mancini would surely have to be favourite?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: 77dave on May 28, 2008, 10:35:26 AM
Manchini has said that he intends to turn chelsea into the best structured club in the world Fact


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: TightEnd on May 28, 2008, 10:36:28 AM
Manchini has said that he intends to turn chelsea into the best structured club in the world Fact

with running antes?


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Josedinho on May 28, 2008, 11:39:36 AM
Never done anything in the Champions League.

I think Rijkaard would have been a better choice.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: kinboshi on May 28, 2008, 04:21:57 PM
Torres 20m
Mascharano 15m
babel  11m
skartel 7m
lucas 6m

not been too bad for 1 yr

Erm, how much of that was from their money - and is the new stadium looking good? 


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: Rooky9 on May 28, 2008, 04:56:46 PM
I can't understand why there was such strong links with eto'o going to spurs its madness he's world class and one of the best in the world imo he would be a quality signing for anyone of the big 4.If liverpool had him and torres up front and they fit together they really would be title challengers(if rafa played them both that is ;))

Because by all accounts he's a Spurs fan.

Not another one.Berbatov is a big newcastle fan used to sleep in newcastle top yet somehow i dont see him signing for the toon.

Slightly different scenario. Berbatov wants to win things. ;)

In all seriousness though, Ramos has one massive advantage over Keegan in the market when buying from Spain and to some extent the rest of Europe. He's very highly respected as a manager.

He has a few advantages, and I think that is further down the list than some others.
Having said that I don't think Keegan has the pull now that he did first time. First time he was signing people who grew up watching him play. This time I hope isn't signing people who wated him play!! I fear we'll have to start producing our own world class talent over the next ten years rather than buy too much of it.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2008, 07:21:21 PM
Fair comment also, just feel eto'o at his peak age i believe should still be playing at the very top level and look forward to seeing who he does sign 4.Hopefully not spurs

I'd love him at Liverpool but cant see it for the money it'd cost.

I hate our owners.

To many clubs being took over by freign owners who ain't really got a clue bout what it means to the fans was always going to be a disaster for 1 club at least unlucky for your lot its liverpool.If they're still there come start of next season liverpool will have 0% chance again of winning the league.You have like 3% chance if they buggar off (3% more than us i no lol).

I just think it's quite funny that ever since Roman took over at Chelsea all supporters expect new owners to spend 100mill a season. As Dave just pointed out they spent more than 50mill within the first year and that's a fortune by anyones' standards. It's a shame that the owners seems to argue all the time but it's definitely not a lack of investment that's stopping Liverpool from challenging for the league.

Actually they've spent nothing. Not one penny. They've borrowed money against the club - something they swore they wouldn't do.

On top of this if you include income of:

Bellany 7.5
Cisse 8
Sissoko 8

In income you can see that we haven't even spent what the club made from the EPL TV money last year.

I dont expect our owners to spend 100 million per year. I'd be happy with no lies and no misleading the fans with their figures.


Title: Re: Avram Grant Sacked
Post by: The Baron on May 28, 2008, 07:28:36 PM
Mancini would surely have to be favourite?

Hope so. I dont rate him at all.