Title: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 11:23:23 AM I've always backed Benitez unquestionably. We've gone from 5th best team in England and unsure of what European competition we'd be playing in and how much our income would be, to being ranked number one in Europe next season. For me, we're back amongst the big boys.
Benitez has gotten in wrong in the transfer market, particularly when he first came to this country, but by and large he's got it right in the transfer market - especially after the first year. However, I simply cannot understand how Alonso for Barry (+ about 2 mil for Liverpool) is good business. Alonso has done it at the highest level. He's dominated the midfield against sides like Chelsea, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Barcelona, United and Arsenal and on his day is one of the best central midfielders in the EPL. Barry, although more suited to the rough and tumble of the league, is generally untested. The ONLY department he wins in Vs Alonso is goals and form as Alonso has had a mediocre season up until the CL quarters. I'm not happy about it at all and feel this is a backward step. Barry is simply an inferior footballer IMHO. Does anyone really see this as a good move? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bolt pp on June 07, 2008, 11:45:54 AM Gerrard wanted him there didn't he?
they've always done well together for England Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 11:59:45 AM Gerrard wanted him there didn't he? they've always done well together for England Yeah I think he did. They've roomed and played together at every level for England since they were younguns. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: steeveg on June 07, 2008, 12:19:06 PM i agree about barry, as i have never noticed anything special about barry i cant say he is a good signing, but benitez knows far more than i ever will so i trust his judgement, alonso has been a great player for liverpool over the years but he has not been playing as well as he can for a long time now, he did improve the last few games of the season. i am not really surprised benitez is going to replace him, i would of prefered bentley myself, to be honest we do need a few more players, and benitez has to make a few difficult decisions,
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 12:24:09 PM I would rather have alonso than barry as the say form is temporary class is permanent alonso is one of best dcm players in world imo i prefer him to masch also my worry if i was a liverpool fan would be if you do get barry does this mean gerrard will get moved out wide ? i no he played behind torres a bit but thought u maybe buying another striker to go with torres ? whenever he plays gerrard out wide it makes me cringe its madness u may as well cut one of his legs off
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 12:53:39 PM I would rather have alonso than barry as the say form is temporary class is permanent alonso is one of best dcm players in world imo i prefer him to masch also my worry if i was a liverpool fan would be if you do get barry does this mean gerrard will get moved out wide ? i no he played behind torres a bit but thought u maybe buying another striker to go with torres ? whenever he plays gerrard out wide it makes me cringe its madness u may as well cut one of his legs off Hmmm..... I think Barry will just replace Alonso in the 4-2-3-1 on the left side as he's left footed. So I dont think Gerrard will go wide but the last time he did he scored 23 goals. So it's not terrible if it becomes make shift for a game or two. He's better than Kuyt. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: kinboshi on June 07, 2008, 01:07:05 PM Barry is a good signing. But if it means losing Alonso, then it's hardly a step forward for the club and it brings us no closer to seriously challenging for the title.
It's a shame we have to sell to buy. I'm more concerned about the rumours surrounding Agger to be honest. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: booder on June 07, 2008, 01:08:29 PM I'm more concerned about the rumours surrounding Agger to be honest. ;gobsmacked; Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 01:20:46 PM I would rather have alonso than barry as the say form is temporary class is permanent alonso is one of best dcm players in world imo i prefer him to masch also my worry if i was a liverpool fan would be if you do get barry does this mean gerrard will get moved out wide ? i no he played behind torres a bit but thought u maybe buying another striker to go with torres ? whenever he plays gerrard out wide it makes me cringe its madness u may as well cut one of his legs off Hmmm..... I think Barry will just replace Alonso in the 4-2-3-1 on the left side as he's left footed. So I dont think Gerrard will go wide but the last time he did he scored 23 goals. So it's not terrible if it becomes make shift for a game or two. He's better than Kuyt. I just think that both barry and gerrard are much better players in the centre than outwide.Do you not agree that you lose so much of what gerrard is about when u put him outwide i would say there's nobody in the world whos a better player in cm however outwide id say he was just a really good rm player. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 01:24:34 PM I would rather have alonso than barry as the say form is temporary class is permanent alonso is one of best dcm players in world imo i prefer him to masch also my worry if i was a liverpool fan would be if you do get barry does this mean gerrard will get moved out wide ? i no he played behind torres a bit but thought u maybe buying another striker to go with torres ? whenever he plays gerrard out wide it makes me cringe its madness u may as well cut one of his legs off Hmmm..... I think Barry will just replace Alonso in the 4-2-3-1 on the left side as he's left footed. So I dont think Gerrard will go wide but the last time he did he scored 23 goals. So it's not terrible if it becomes make shift for a game or two. He's better than Kuyt. I just think that both barry and gerrard are much better players in the centre than outwide.Do you not agree that you lose so much of what gerrard is about when u put him outwide i would say there's nobody in the world whos a better player in cm however outwide id say he was just a really good rm player. Gerrard should play in the middle no question. It will be as a three though so he has no defensive duties. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 01:25:00 PM Barry is a good signing. But if it means losing Alonso, then it's hardly a step forward for the club and it brings us no closer to seriously challenging for the title. It's a shame we have to sell to buy. I'm more concerned about the rumours surrounding Agger to be honest. Which are? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 02:34:51 PM Barry is a good signing. But if it means losing Alonso, then it's hardly a step forward for the club and it brings us no closer to seriously challenging for the title. It's a shame we have to sell to buy. I'm more concerned about the rumours surrounding Agger to be honest. Which are? He got shot(gun not needle) in the leg by a hooker in brothel not gud may need to be amputated.Shame waste of a talent Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: boldie on June 07, 2008, 03:38:22 PM Barry is a good signing. But if it means losing Alonso, then it's hardly a step forward for the club and it brings us no closer to seriously challenging for the title. It's a I'm more concerned about the rumours surrounding Agger to be honest. FYP Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 04:32:46 PM According to Stevie G Barry should want to move to Liverpool to further his career by playing for a better club, its is(according to the world class :) Liverpool midfielder) every players dream to play at the highest level possible, this from someone that has played for Liverpool all his career and bottled a move to Chelsea.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 04:43:05 PM According to Stevie G Barry should want to move to Liverpool to further his career by playing for a better club, its is(according to the world class :) Liverpool midfielder) every players dream to play at the highest level possible, this from someone that has played for Liverpool all his career and bottled a move to Chelsea. Except the fact Chelsea had a windfall in the form of Abramovich, Liverpool were a bigger club in every other way when Gerrard had to choose. Plus Liverpool had just won the Champions League knocking out Chelsea on the way. Not quite the same in the Villa Vs Liverpool stakes. Look how badly Henry has done when he went in search of something away from the club where he was captain and was asked to play out of position. Everyone outside of Chelsea knows Gerrard made the correct choice rather than being just another Chelsea midfielder asked to play on the right of a diamond. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 04:44:01 PM Gareth Barry is one of the best midfieders in the Country and if he had been foriegn and playing for say Milan and cost 15 million it would be heralded as a coup. Coz he plays for Villa and of course Villa are miles behind Liverpool you are judging it as a backward step, well to my eyes Barry is one of the best midfielers in every game he plays, thats against exactly the same teams Liverpool will be playing next season and Alonso is a little lightweight, a little slow and disappears in games. You have done a good bit of business in my opinion.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TightEnd on June 07, 2008, 04:44:44 PM but he gladly would have gone until the "heavies" threatened him and Alex with all sorts of pain if he went.....
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 04:45:36 PM According to Stevie G Barry should want to move to Liverpool to further his career by playing for a better club, its is(according to the world class :) Liverpool midfielder) every players dream to play at the highest level possible, this from someone that has played for Liverpool all his career and bottled a move to Chelsea. Except the fact Chelsea had a windfall in the form of Abramovich, Liverpool were a bigger club in every other way when Gerrard had to choose. Plus Liverpool had just won the Champions League knocking out Chelsea on the way. Not quite the same in the Villa Vs Liverpool stakes. Look how badly Henry has done when he went in search of something away from the club where he was captain and was asked to play out of position. Everyone outside of Chelsea knows Gerrard made the correct choice rather than being just another Chelsea midfielder asked to play on the right of a diamond. True, but it was obvious at that stage that Chelsea were to be a major force in world football and not a cup team ;o)....and he was going until the big guys threatened him wasnt he? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 04:46:46 PM but he gladly would have gone until the "heavies" threatened him and Alex with all sorts of pain if he went..... Quite possibly. That is the word on the grapevine. By and large it's hearsay though. (Or heresy - whichever) Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TightEnd on June 07, 2008, 04:47:31 PM Gareth Barry is one of the best midfieders in the Country and if he had been foriegn and playing for say Milan and cost 15 million it would be heralded as a coup. Coz he plays for Villa and of course Villa are miles behind Liverpool you are judging it as a backward step, well to my eyes Barry is one of the best midfielers in every game he plays, thats against exactly the same teams Liverpool will be playing next season and Alonso is a little lightweight, a little slow and disappears in games. You have done a good bit of business in my opinion. I agree Alonso isn't 100% every game, Barry is..and Barry can play 3-4 positions well I would want Barry in my team ahead of Alonso at basically an equal fee Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 04:49:55 PM Gareth Barry is one of the best midfieders in the Country and if he had been foriegn and playing for say Milan and cost 15 million it would be heralded as a coup. Coz he plays for Villa and of course Villa are miles behind Liverpool you are judging it as a backward step, well to my eyes Barry is one of the best midfielers in every game he plays, thats against exactly the same teams Liverpool will be playing next season and Alonso is a little lightweight, a little slow and disappears in games. You have done a good bit of business in my opinion. You're probably right about the Barry being foreign thing. He's definately more suited to a league campaign and a rough and tumble premiership game. I just have doubts about him not doing it against the very best midfielders which Alonso was doing in Spain at 22. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: 77dave on June 07, 2008, 04:51:05 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners?
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 04:57:19 PM Also the fact gerrards liverpool thru and thru and had won every trophy there bar the epl why would eh want to leave its like shearer coimg to toon then going to mancs it was his boyhood team (except the fact we didnt win fuk all) i still think big al is glad that he's loved by everyone up here compared to anything he could've achieved at mancS.Gerrard made the correct choice imo
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 04:58:04 PM Gareth Barry is one of the best midfieders in the Country and if he had been foriegn and playing for say Milan and cost 15 million it would be heralded as a coup. Coz he plays for Villa and of course Villa are miles behind Liverpool you are judging it as a backward step, well to my eyes Barry is one of the best midfielers in every game he plays, thats against exactly the same teams Liverpool will be playing next season and Alonso is a little lightweight, a little slow and disappears in games. You have done a good bit of business in my opinion. You're probably right about the Barry being foreign thing. He's definately more suited to a league campaign and a rough and tumble premiership game. I just have doubts about him not doing it against the very best midfielders which Alonso was doing in Spain at 22. Its a reoccuring thing in all football conversations that players that play for the clubs we support are always over rated in the grand scheme(so and so is world class when they are just good etc) Its also the same when clubs buy players, if you are after a player from a sexy club it must be a good thing, if that player comes from an unfashionable club then it is met with indifference, usually beacause the people judging their team have a bias towards them. I think Barry is exactly what Liverpool want and even tho Benitez has made some shocking signings I think this is a good one. I also think it will take a lot if additions to get them into a position to chalenge for the title tho, the Pool squad is some way behind the big 2. If only he could unearth a few more in the Torres class eh? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 05:00:47 PM Also the fact gerrards liverpool thru and thru and had won every trophy there bar the epl why would eh want to leave its like shearer coimg to toon then going to mancs it was his boyhood team (except the fact we didnt win fuk all) i still think big al is glad that he's loved by everyone up here compared to anything he could've achieved at mancS.Gerrard made the correct choice imo yes I agree with most of that, the point is Gerrard is telling Barry to do something that he failed to do himself as if it is obvious and Gerrard of all people should know that outside things will influence, like your Shearer example above. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:03:48 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners? Ownership. Simple as really. It's gone past being about money. It's about lies. Sucking in the fans who only read the London rags etc and believe what they say. If they were to stay a few things need to happen. 1) Parry must go 2) The stadium must be built as a priority 3) Regardless of what is spent in transfer funds the truth must be told. Not "we spent 50 million" when the truth is closer to Benitez spent 40, gained 23-25 in income and didn't even spend that seasons earnings from TV rights! The fans aren't stupid. We know what an EPL season is worth financially. Dont say stuff like "we'll never borrow money against the club" and then go and do it! 4) We shouldn't ever hear about the wrangles in the press. Hicks in particular needs to shut up. 5) If they cant agree to work together Hicks need to consider that either his partner or both of them must sell for the good of the club. Whilst this goes on and we keep competing on an uneven playing field financially we're risking doing a Leeds. Either back us together or do one. The one time Benitez had money he bought Torres and Babel (and Mascherano) - good investments and we made another step forwards. That list is too long. In a perfect world they'll go. If they dont I dont now if they'll ever win our trust back - too many lies. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:11:14 PM Gareth Barry is one of the best midfieders in the Country and if he had been foriegn and playing for say Milan and cost 15 million it would be heralded as a coup. Coz he plays for Villa and of course Villa are miles behind Liverpool you are judging it as a backward step, well to my eyes Barry is one of the best midfielers in every game he plays, thats against exactly the same teams Liverpool will be playing next season and Alonso is a little lightweight, a little slow and disappears in games. You have done a good bit of business in my opinion. You're probably right about the Barry being foreign thing. He's definately more suited to a league campaign and a rough and tumble premiership game. I just have doubts about him not doing it against the very best midfielders which Alonso was doing in Spain at 22. Its a reoccuring thing in all football conversations that players that play for the clubs we support are always over rated in the grand scheme(so and so is world class when they are just good etc) Its also the same when clubs buy players, if you are after a player from a sexy club it must be a good thing, if that player comes from an unfashionable club then it is met with indifference, usually beacause the people judging their team have a bias towards them. I think Barry is exactly what Liverpool want and even tho Benitez has made some shocking signings I think this is a good one. I also think it will take a lot if additions to get them into a position to chalenge for the title tho, the Pool squad is some way behind the big 2. If only he could unearth a few more in the Torres class eh? I agree with most of that. World class is used too often. In simple terms it comes down to this for me. World class or not I've seen Alonso do it in the very big games. Barry is largely unproven at the very highest level. For me he's only "good player". I dont think we need a lot of additions. I think we need 2-3 quality signings. The spine is excellent. Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Mascherano, Gerrard, (Alonso), Torres. I'd add Babel in their as a potential talent for one wing or a future striker. We've signed a new RB and LB already. Now we need a world class winger to go with the young Babel (ie Ben Arfa or Ribery - a genius would sign one of them! ;)) and our first XI will be very good if the signings weve made come good. The current players like Pennant, Kuyt, Aurelio, Finnan etc would then become second string and the strength in depth would be there. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 05:17:47 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners? Ownership. Simple as really. It's gone past being about money. It's about lies. Sucking in the fans who only read the London rags etc and believe what they say. If they were to stay a few things need to happen. 1) Parry must go 2) The stadium must be built as a priority 3) Regardless of what is spent in transfer funds the truth must be told. Not "we spent 50 million" when the truth is closer to Benitez spent 40, gained 23-25 in income and didn't even spend that seasons earnings from TV rights! The fans aren't stupid. We know what an EPL season is worth financially. Dont say stuff like "we'll never borrow money against the club" and then go and do it! 4) We shouldn't ever hear about the wrangles in the press. Hicks in particular needs to shut up. 5) If they cant agree to work together Hicks need to consider that either his partner or both of them must sell for the good of the club. Whilst this goes on and we keep competing on an uneven playing field financially we're risking doing a Leeds. Either back us together or do one. The one time Benitez had money he bought Torres and Babel (and Mascherano) - good investments and we made another step forwards. That list is too long. In a perfect world they'll go. If they dont I dont now if they'll ever win our trust back - too many lies. great point re transfer fees. Generally in football fans don't understand the transfer market at all and Chairman these days are getting away with it. When a team spend 20 million on one player and 30 on another the chaiman has spent precisely none of that. The club usually pay for the player in installments over the length of their contract so it is the club paying for the player and has nothing to do with the chairman in most cases(Chelsea excluded). If Liverpool pay 4 million a year for 5 years to pay for Torres what exactly has the the chairman spent? and in the books he has an asset that is worth 20 million before its even been paid for. So in the books this year we owe Athletico 4 mill in one column, in the other column we have a 20 million asset. Sam Hamann and Mandaric have tried the same trick at a couple of clubs, buying into them at their low ebb and turning them around finaincially with prudence and cuts behind the scenes while still appearing to be spending money on players( they are oking the signings but arent paying for them directly) but in both cases all they have done is quick hit the clubs with new optimism, raised the value of the playing squad at no cost to themselves and then sold on when the value of their investment as increased. Mandaric has got it badly wrong at Leicester but got it very right at Portsmouth. Prob Liverpool have is it looks like these two Yankee boys are trying the same thing there which is a shame as a club of that size don't deserve it. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:22:53 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners? Ownership. Simple as really. It's gone past being about money. It's about lies. Sucking in the fans who only read the London rags etc and believe what they say. If they were to stay a few things need to happen. 1) Parry must go 2) The stadium must be built as a priority 3) Regardless of what is spent in transfer funds the truth must be told. Not "we spent 50 million" when the truth is closer to Benitez spent 40, gained 23-25 in income and didn't even spend that seasons earnings from TV rights! The fans aren't stupid. We know what an EPL season is worth financially. Dont say stuff like "we'll never borrow money against the club" and then go and do it! 4) We shouldn't ever hear about the wrangles in the press. Hicks in particular needs to shut up. 5) If they cant agree to work together Hicks need to consider that either his partner or both of them must sell for the good of the club. Whilst this goes on and we keep competing on an uneven playing field financially we're risking doing a Leeds. Either back us together or do one. The one time Benitez had money he bought Torres and Babel (and Mascherano) - good investments and we made another step forwards. That list is too long. In a perfect world they'll go. If they dont I dont now if they'll ever win our trust back - too many lies. great point re transfer fees. Generally in football fans don't understand the transfer market at all and Chairman these days are getting away with it. When a team spend 20 million on one player and 30 on another the chaiman has spent precisely none of that. The club usually pay for the player in installments over the length of their contract so it is the club paying for the player and has nothing to do with the chairman in most cases(Chelsea etc). If Liverpool pay 4 million a year for 5 years to pay for Torres what exactly has the the chairman spent? and in the books he has an asset that is worth 20 million before its even been paid for. So in the books this year we owe Athletico 4 mill in one column, in the other column we have a 20 million asset. Sam Hamann and Mandaric have tried the same trick at a couple of clubs, buying into them at their low ebb and turning them around finaincially with prudence and cuts behind the scenes while still appearing to be spending money on players( they are oking the signings but arent paying for them directly) but in both cases all they have done is quick hit the clubs with new optimism, raised the value of the playing squad at no cost to themselves and then sold on when the value of their investment as increased. Mandaric has got it badly wrong at Leicester but got it very right at Portsmouth. Prob Liverpool have is it looks like these two Yankee boys are trying the same thing there which is a shame as a club of that size don't deserve it. Amen. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Nem on June 07, 2008, 05:23:34 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: 77dave on June 07, 2008, 05:28:37 PM Baron i have heard rumours of Aimar for 5.5m would you like is to bring him in?
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:30:34 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season. You've said what I've been trying to for 2 pages in one line. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 05:32:07 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season. Probably not but thats isnt a reason to not sign him is it? Dos Santos wont turn Spurs into title contenders will he but you still want him don't you? The prob that Pool have re squads is that the gambles that Benitez has tried havent paid off, Man Utds reserve winger is Nani or Andersson, Liverpools were Kewell ( i know he didnt sign him) and Pennant for example, who exactly would say Carragher dislodge from the Man Utd or Chelsea first teams etc, so even tho he is first choice and done a great job there he isnt really that good is he? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 05:33:05 PM Baron i have heard rumours of Aimar for 5.5m would you like is to bring him in? Aimar s a relly good player, 5.5 mill sounds like a good deal to me. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:35:38 PM Baron i have heard rumours of Aimar for 5.5m would you like is to bring him in? Pablo Aimar is a funny one. When Benitez first came he was thee player I wanted us to sign from Valencia. At the time though he would have cost 20-25 million. Raineri went there and dropped him for being lightweight. He's never been the same since. Very good technically, creative as hell, but he plays where Gerrard does and he wont get in over Gerrard. He's too small, which isnt a problem in Spain. As a winger he could work I guess - for 5.5 million he's worth a punt but he's basically the same player as D'Alessandro who Harry Redknapp has a Pompey a year or two back. A little schemer but not Kaka/Ronaldo/Ribery type level that we need. He worked so well with Baraja and Albelda at Valencia but had no defensive duties. I really dont now how he'd fare at Liverpool. It tells me something that Benitez hasn't gone for him already though. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: celtic on June 07, 2008, 05:36:15 PM I've always backed Benitez unquestionably. We've gone from 5th best team in England and unsure of what European competition we'd be playing in and how much our income would be, to being ranked number one in Europe next season. For me, we're back amongst the big boys. Benitez has gotten in wrong in the transfer market, particularly when he first came to this country, but by and large he's got it right in the transfer market - especially after the first year. However, I simply cannot understand how Alonso for Barry (+ about 2 mil for Liverpool) is good business. Alonso has done it at the highest level. He's dominated the midfield against sides like Chelsea, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Barcelona, United and Arsenal and on his day is one of the best central midfielders in the EPL. Barry, although more suited to the rough and tumble of the league, is generally untested. The ONLY department he wins in Vs Alonso is goals and form as Alonso has had a mediocre season up until the CL quarters. I'm not happy about it at all and feel this is a backward step. Barry is simply an inferior footballer IMHO. Does anyone really see this as a good move? can you explain this bit? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:39:47 PM I've always backed Benitez unquestionably. We've gone from 5th best team in England and unsure of what European competition we'd be playing in and how much our income would be, to being ranked number one in Europe next season. For me, we're back amongst the big boys. Benitez has gotten in wrong in the transfer market, particularly when he first came to this country, but by and large he's got it right in the transfer market - especially after the first year. However, I simply cannot understand how Alonso for Barry (+ about 2 mil for Liverpool) is good business. Alonso has done it at the highest level. He's dominated the midfield against sides like Chelsea, Juventus, Milan, Inter, Barcelona, United and Arsenal and on his day is one of the best central midfielders in the EPL. Barry, although more suited to the rough and tumble of the league, is generally untested. The ONLY department he wins in Vs Alonso is goals and form as Alonso has had a mediocre season up until the CL quarters. I'm not happy about it at all and feel this is a backward step. Barry is simply an inferior footballer IMHO. Does anyone really see this as a good move? can you explain this bit? Not very well no. We aren't ranked number 1 as such but the first seed in the draw due to our recent Eurpean campaigns. Whatever that means. Rod would know a lot more about the system than me. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: celtic on June 07, 2008, 05:43:52 PM ah right, group 1 in the seeds?
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: 77dave on June 07, 2008, 05:45:03 PM its all about the uefa coefficient Vinny Liverpool have been the best performing side in Europe over the last 5 years. Im sure someone else will explain it better.
I also heard that Joaquin might be avalible. He was again hailed as the best RM/RW in the world a couple years ago, but i hear he can be picked up for around 8mill I think we are going to be very strong defensively next year. i think Skertel had a great 6 months. Id like to see Insua given a chance next season along with Leto. We do need another striker. I have no idea how RB feels about Pennant. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:47:43 PM ah right, group 1 in the seeds? Yeah we're seed 1 as we've won it once, reached a final and reached a semi. Milan are seed 2 with a very similar record. 1 win, 1 final etc etc. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 05:50:06 PM Id like to see Insua given a chance next season along with Leto. We do need another striker. I have no idea how RB feels about Pennant. Apprently Pennant has been a shining example to the kids. (No joke) He asks to play in the reserves when he's not in the team and is really good helping to train the youths. I dont know if he'll stay but Rafa loves him. I dont like Leto, as for Insua I dont know. The gap between reserve team footy and first team is huge now. The ony reserve I think will definately make it is Nemeth. He's class. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: celtic on June 07, 2008, 05:52:46 PM cheers jim & baron, i get it now.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 06:08:06 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season. Probably not but thats isnt a reason to not sign him is it? Dos Santos wont turn Spurs into title contenders will he but you still want him don't you? The prob that Pool have re squads is that the gambles that Benitez has tried havent paid off, Man Utds reserve winger is Nani or Andersson, Liverpools were Kewell ( i know he didnt sign him) and Pennant for example, who exactly would say Carragher dislodge from the Man Utd or Chelsea first teams etc, so even tho he is first choice and done a great job there he isnt really that good is he? I would say that it definitly is a reason not to, liverpool should only be looking to sign players who they feel are good enough to help them challenge for the title so if people dont think barry will do this then they shouldn't want him to sign imo barry is a really good player but he wouldn't get in man utd team or chelsea team and probably not arsenal eiither.If the fee is say £15mil do ppl not think there is midfielders out there who are better than barry at that price.I hear alan smith may be available ... Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: kinboshi on June 07, 2008, 06:17:06 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season. You've said what I've been trying to for 2 pages in one line. I agree as well. If it was 'in addition', rather than 'instead of' Alonso, then it would be a good move (IMO) - but I'm not sure if it's the area of the team/squad that needs to be addressed as a priority. Still, Benitez knows more than I do, and I'm sure he knows what he's doing. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Rooky9 on June 07, 2008, 06:54:42 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners? Ownership. Simple as really. It's gone past being about money. It's about lies. Sucking in the fans who only read the London rags etc and believe what they say. If they were to stay a few things need to happen. 1) Parry must go 2) The stadium must be built as a priority 3) Regardless of what is spent in transfer funds the truth must be told. Not "we spent 50 million" when the truth is closer to Benitez spent 40, gained 23-25 in income and didn't even spend that seasons earnings from TV rights! The fans aren't stupid. We know what an EPL season is worth financially. Dont say stuff like "we'll never borrow money against the club" and then go and do it! 4) We shouldn't ever hear about the wrangles in the press. Hicks in particular needs to shut up. 5) If they cant agree to work together Hicks need to consider that either his partner or both of them must sell for the good of the club. Whilst this goes on and we keep competing on an uneven playing field financially we're risking doing a Leeds. Either back us together or do one. The one time Benitez had money he bought Torres and Babel (and Mascherano) - good investments and we made another step forwards. That list is too long. In a perfect world they'll go. If they dont I dont now if they'll ever win our trust back - too many lies. great point re transfer fees. Generally in football fans don't understand the transfer market at all and Chairman these days are getting away with it. When a team spend 20 million on one player and 30 on another the chaiman has spent precisely none of that. The club usually pay for the player in installments over the length of their contract so it is the club paying for the player and has nothing to do with the chairman in most cases(Chelsea excluded). If Liverpool pay 4 million a year for 5 years to pay for Torres what exactly has the the chairman spent? and in the books he has an asset that is worth 20 million before its even been paid for. So in the books this year we owe Athletico 4 mill in one column, in the other column we have a 20 million asset. Sam Hamann and Mandaric have tried the same trick at a couple of clubs, buying into them at their low ebb and turning them around finaincially with prudence and cuts behind the scenes while still appearing to be spending money on players( they are oking the signings but arent paying for them directly) but in both cases all they have done is quick hit the clubs with new optimism, raised the value of the playing squad at no cost to themselves and then sold on when the value of their investment as increased. Mandaric has got it badly wrong at Leicester but got it very right at Portsmouth. Prob Liverpool have is it looks like these two Yankee boys are trying the same thing there which is a shame as a club of that size don't deserve it. Luckily there are accounting standards to prevent this! There are two separate things going on with football player accounting. A player is held as an asset, and their value is taken to P&L over the course of their contract.ie Michael Owen costs Newcastle about 4.5m a year in their P&L account - but in terms of cash he is paid for (bar 1m which I don't think has yet gone through for his first team appearances) If there was an installment payment plan (which actually don't cover that big a % of most deals, except where unproven or injury prone)then it would all be accounted for, being held as a liability to match off against the asset. The actual cash out the door would be shown in the cashflow. The majority of transfers I have seen have large lump sum payments at the time of the transfer. I'd say they have spent (in terms of what fans are interested in) the cahs out the door and the liability that they have commited the club to - ie the whole figure that you tend to see. (though I think this should include the deal that has been gven to the player as these are often as big as the transfer fee) Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bolt pp on June 07, 2008, 07:57:03 PM Signing Gareth Barry will not close the gap on the teams above Liverpool last season. You've said what I've been trying to for 2 pages in one line. fcking hell, how hard were you trying? ::) Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 07, 2008, 09:41:53 PM I hate Bolt.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 10:56:16 PM Baron - what would need to change at LFC for you to trust the current owners? Ownership. Simple as really. It's gone past being about money. It's about lies. Sucking in the fans who only read the London rags etc and believe what they say. If they were to stay a few things need to happen. 1) Parry must go 2) The stadium must be built as a priority 3) Regardless of what is spent in transfer funds the truth must be told. Not "we spent 50 million" when the truth is closer to Benitez spent 40, gained 23-25 in income and didn't even spend that seasons earnings from TV rights! The fans aren't stupid. We know what an EPL season is worth financially. Dont say stuff like "we'll never borrow money against the club" and then go and do it! 4) We shouldn't ever hear about the wrangles in the press. Hicks in particular needs to shut up. 5) If they cant agree to work together Hicks need to consider that either his partner or both of them must sell for the good of the club. Whilst this goes on and we keep competing on an uneven playing field financially we're risking doing a Leeds. Either back us together or do one. The one time Benitez had money he bought Torres and Babel (and Mascherano) - good investments and we made another step forwards. That list is too long. In a perfect world they'll go. If they dont I dont now if they'll ever win our trust back - too many lies. great point re transfer fees. Generally in football fans don't understand the transfer market at all and Chairman these days are getting away with it. When a team spend 20 million on one player and 30 on another the chaiman has spent precisely none of that. The club usually pay for the player in installments over the length of their contract so it is the club paying for the player and has nothing to do with the chairman in most cases(Chelsea excluded). If Liverpool pay 4 million a year for 5 years to pay for Torres what exactly has the the chairman spent? and in the books he has an asset that is worth 20 million before its even been paid for. So in the books this year we owe Athletico 4 mill in one column, in the other column we have a 20 million asset. Sam Hamann and Mandaric have tried the same trick at a couple of clubs, buying into them at their low ebb and turning them around finaincially with prudence and cuts behind the scenes while still appearing to be spending money on players( they are oking the signings but arent paying for them directly) but in both cases all they have done is quick hit the clubs with new optimism, raised the value of the playing squad at no cost to themselves and then sold on when the value of their investment as increased. Mandaric has got it badly wrong at Leicester but got it very right at Portsmouth. Prob Liverpool have is it looks like these two Yankee boys are trying the same thing there which is a shame as a club of that size don't deserve it. Luckily there are accounting standards to prevent this! There are two separate things going on with football player accounting. A player is held as an asset, and their value is taken to P&L over the course of their contract.ie Michael Owen costs Newcastle about 4.5m a year in their P&L account - but in terms of cash he is paid for (bar 1m which I don't think has yet gone through for his first team appearances) If there was an installment payment plan (which actually don't cover that big a % of most deals, except where unproven or injury prone)then it would all be accounted for, being held as a liability to match off against the asset. The actual cash out the door would be shown in the cashflow. The majority of transfers I have seen have large lump sum payments at the time of the transfer. I'd say they have spent (in terms of what fans are interested in) the cahs out the door and the liability that they have commited the club to - ie the whole figure that you tend to see. (though I think this should include the deal that has been gven to the player as these are often as big as the transfer fee) Hi Rooky, where do you work mate? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Rooky9 on June 07, 2008, 11:03:42 PM I'd prefer not to say!!! But my job title is the same as below.
I'm not disagreeing with your point that the Chairmen don't actually pay for them - even at Chelsea its the clubs that take ownership (meaning risks & rewards) of the asset/players registration. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 07, 2008, 11:33:11 PM I'd prefer not to say!!! But my job title is the same as below. I'm not disagreeing with your point that the Chairmen don't actually pay for them - even at Chelsea its the clubs that take ownership (meaning risks & rewards) of the asset/players registration. ok mate no probs. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 11:36:42 PM I used to always find it quite amusing when people would always say freddie shephards been a good chairmen as he'd put so much money into the club when the fact was that he never put none of his own money in it was just profits of the club FACT!
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Rooky9 on June 07, 2008, 11:45:48 PM I think he will have put his own in, to buy shares (though he might not have), but he made a lot more out of it than he ever put in from a shocking salary, dividends and then selling on to Ashley. prior to being a plc I'm not sure what he had in there. I think him and the Halls had loaned a decent amount to the club during the early 90's growth. I'd assume they got it all back with interest though.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 07, 2008, 11:55:53 PM Putting his own money in to buy shares doesn't reallly count though rooky seen as this is a personal invetsment for himself to be fair, i ment for transefers.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 08, 2008, 12:02:30 AM Just about the best example there has been of a chairman that has made out he has spent loads of cash when he hasnt for the benefit of making a fortune from selling the club on.
On a slightly diff subject I read somewhere that Mike Ashby has lost over 600 million pounds from his share portfolio since February with the dramatic drop in banking shares. Net result is he isnt so keen to spend the money he promised King Kev. You heard owt about that Mondatoo? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Rooky9 on June 08, 2008, 12:09:24 AM Putting his own money in to buy shares doesn't reallly count though rooky seen as this is a personal invetsment for himself to be fair, i ment for transefers. To be fair I don't think there are really that many chairmen that do put their own money in for transfers, and where they do, like Chelsea its only a loan - albeit in their case it'll never get repaid in full. Shepard and Hall junior were both very much in it for themselves. Just about the best example there has been of a chairman that has made out he has spent loads of cash when he hasnt for the benefit of making a fortune from selling the club on. On a slightly diff subject I read somewhere that Mike Ashby has lost over 600 million pounds from his share portfolio since February with the dramatic drop in banking shares. Net result is he isnt so keen to spend the money he promised King Kev. You heard owt about that Mondatoo? He did loss a good chunk, either 400m or 600m in the times rich list, can't remember which. It isn't real money though and I'd be suprised if that was the reason he didn't want to invest more. Noone was more upset than him when England didn't qualify for Euro 08!! He has already put in massive $$$, more than he was anticipating I believe. We'll have to see what happens this summer and maybe more importantly next summer. One thing is for sure he didn't buy it for a Chelsea type situation and I'm pleased he hasn't gone down the route of Man U and Liverpool in their financing. Sorry, know that wasn't directed at me but I'm bored!! Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 08, 2008, 12:12:42 AM Putting his own money in to buy shares doesn't reallly count though rooky seen as this is a personal invetsment for himself to be fair, i ment for transefers. To be fair I don't think there are really that many chairmen that do put their own money in for transfers, and where they do, like Chelsea its only a loan - albeit in their case it'll never get repaid in full. Shepard and Hall junior were both very much in it for themselves. Just about the best example there has been of a chairman that has made out he has spent loads of cash when he hasnt for the benefit of making a fortune from selling the club on. On a slightly diff subject I read somewhere that Mike Ashby has lost over 600 million pounds from his share portfolio since February with the dramatic drop in banking shares. Net result is he isnt so keen to spend the money he promised King Kev. You heard owt about that Mondatoo? He did loss a good chunk, either 400m or 600m in the times rich list, can't remember which. It isn't real money though and I'd be suprised if that was the reason he didn't want to invest more. Noone was more upset than him when England didn't qualify for Euro 08!! He has already put in massive $$$, more than he was anticipating I believe. We'll have to see what happens this summer and maybe more importantly next summer. One thing is for sure he didn't buy it for a Chelsea type situation and I'm pleased he hasn't gone down the route of Man U and Liverpool in their financing. Sorry, know that wasn't directed at me but I'm bored!! Hows it going it ft event like ? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Rooky9 on June 08, 2008, 12:15:05 AM Still there, 10/201. I've completely rocked up though! I think I've had my luck already anyway!!
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: bobby1 on June 08, 2008, 12:16:34 AM Putting his own money in to buy shares doesn't reallly count though rooky seen as this is a personal invetsment for himself to be fair, i ment for transefers. To be fair I don't think there are really that many chairmen that do put their own money in for transfers, and where they do, like Chelsea its only a loan - albeit in their case it'll never get repaid in full. Shepard and Hall junior were both very much in it for themselves. Just about the best example there has been of a chairman that has made out he has spent loads of cash when he hasnt for the benefit of making a fortune from selling the club on. On a slightly diff subject I read somewhere that Mike Ashby has lost over 600 million pounds from his share portfolio since February with the dramatic drop in banking shares. Net result is he isnt so keen to spend the money he promised King Kev. You heard owt about that Mondatoo? He did loss a good chunk, either 400m or 600m in the times rich list, can't remember which. It isn't real money though and I'd be suprised if that was the reason he didn't want to invest more. Noone was more upset than him when England didn't qualify for Euro 08!! He has already put in massive $$$, more than he was anticipating I believe. We'll have to see what happens this summer and maybe more importantly next summer. One thing is for sure he didn't buy it for a Chelsea type situation and I'm pleased he hasn't gone down the route of Man U and Liverpool in their financing. Sorry, know that wasn't directed at me but I'm bored!! no probs mate, I'm interested in the stuff you are bringing up. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: mondatoo on June 08, 2008, 12:25:10 AM Still there, 10/201. I've completely rocked up though! I think I've had my luck already anyway!! GL mate stick at it Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TheChipPrince on June 12, 2008, 11:04:10 AM He's never worth £18 mil...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: jizzemm on June 12, 2008, 11:07:46 AM He's never worth £18 mil... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm Villa are like birds, playing hard to get, but they give in eventually, and it never costs you as much as you think it was gonna Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TheChipPrince on June 12, 2008, 11:19:00 AM If they've rejected £15mil, I would move along ASAP
Its all much of a muchness anyway, he doesn't come, Alonso doesn't go, he comes, Alonso goes, for about the same fee... Hardly a Torres like inspired signing for us to 'push for the league' Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2008, 12:27:34 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye.
I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Nem on June 12, 2008, 02:37:37 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye. I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). £30million. I would cry with laughter if Liverpool paid £30million for Bentley and Barry. For an extra £5million they could have Berbatov, a player who would work well with Torres and a guaranteed improvement on what you already have. Is Bentley and Barry that superior to Pennant and Alonso? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TheChipPrince on June 12, 2008, 02:55:57 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye. I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). £30million. I would cry with laughter if Liverpool paid £30million for Bentley and Barry. For an extra £5million they could have Berbatov, a player who would work well with Torres and a guaranteed improvement on what you already have. Is Bentley and Barry that superior to Pennant and Alonso? Not really, but we would get £20mil for Pennant & Alonso, so it would be cost £10mil for '2 in, 2 out' Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: boldie on June 12, 2008, 03:02:33 PM for 20 mill they could have Moutinho..
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Nem on June 12, 2008, 05:26:16 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye. I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). £30million. I would cry with laughter if Liverpool paid £30million for Bentley and Barry. For an extra £5million they could have Berbatov, a player who would work well with Torres and a guaranteed improvement on what you already have. Is Bentley and Barry that superior to Pennant and Alonso? Not really, but we would get £20mil for Pennant & Alonso, so it would be cost £10mil for '2 in, 2 out' I honestly cannot see Liverpool getting £20million for Pennant and Alonso. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: kinboshi on June 12, 2008, 05:46:51 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye. I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). £30million. I would cry with laughter if Liverpool paid £30million for Bentley and Barry. For an extra £5million they could have Berbatov, a player who would work well with Torres and a guaranteed improvement on what you already have. Is Bentley and Barry that superior to Pennant and Alonso? Not really, but we would get £20mil for Pennant & Alonso, so it would be cost £10mil for '2 in, 2 out' I honestly cannot see Liverpool getting £20million for Pennant and Alonso. The fee being mentioned for Alonso is over £14M. I don't want to see him go, and don't see Barry as an improvement overall (he is better in some areas, and Alonso better in others). As for Bentley in for Pennant. Would it be an improvement? Well, Pennant doesn't actually get to play much - and if Bentley did then yes I think that would be an improvement. I'm one of the few Liverpool fans that actually think Pennant is an asset to the side, and I'll be sad to see him and Crouch leave. Definitely be sad to see Alonso leave. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 12, 2008, 06:41:37 PM I agree with Kinboshi.
For anything above 15 million I wouldnt bother. Let Villa keep a player who doesnt want to be there and strengthen the arears that need strengthening. As for Pennant I too rate him - he was very unlucky with injuries after a brilliant end to last season. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Nem on June 12, 2008, 07:02:34 PM One thing I hate about the top 4 especially Liverpool is that they tap up players' from other clubs, then they buy them and only play them <20 games per season. This is why I feel that either the ECL qualification has to 3 teams only, so that the top 4 cannot buy up all the talent and make the teams' around them weaker. Another idea could be to make the ECL qualification more interesting is that they could introduce a playoff system for 2nd-5th or 3rd-6th and they play for a ECL place at the end - I think they do something similar in the Greek league.
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 12, 2008, 07:13:46 PM Behave. Whilst Man U and Chelsea pay well over the odds for players not worth the money, (but the seling club is vastly over compansated) how can you apply that logic to Arsenal and Liverpool?
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TheChipPrince on June 12, 2008, 07:15:45 PM £12M and I think he's a good buy. For £18M it's good bye. I don't know how much Bentley is valued at, but I think he'd potentially add a lot more to the side than Barry. I'd be happy to have both though (at the right price). £30million. I would cry with laughter if Liverpool paid £30million for Bentley and Barry. For an extra £5million they could have Berbatov, a player who would work well with Torres and a guaranteed improvement on what you already have. Is Bentley and Barry that superior to Pennant and Alonso? Not really, but we would get £20mil for Pennant & Alonso, so it would be cost £10mil for '2 in, 2 out' I honestly cannot see Liverpool getting £20million for Pennant and Alonso. I think £12mil Alonso, £6mil Pennant would be fair fees, but the Alonso fee is supposed to be £14mil... Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Nem on June 12, 2008, 07:17:22 PM Behave. Whilst Man U and Chelsea pay well over the odds for players not worth the money, (but the seling club is vastly over compansated) how can you apply that logic to Arsenal and Liverpool? My grip is with Liverpool in particular. Benyanoun, Pennant, Barry etc... The top 4 do not look like they will even be broken, therefore, something has to be done imo. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 12, 2008, 07:25:40 PM Pennant was taken from a relegated club as was Crouch.
Benayoun is probably fair comment as I doubt he'd have left West Ham unless we'd come in. But he was always going to be a direct replacement for Garcia and if he thought he'd be playing more he's on drugs. Barry we are going to pay over the odds for by the look of it and if Alonso goes he'll play every game he's fit for. Not really sure what the problem is? Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: Josedinho on June 12, 2008, 08:08:45 PM i think Barry is alot better than Alonso and 15mil is a fair price so if you sold Alonso for that and managed to get barry for that then i think you've done well.
Not the signing that will win you the league but i reckon it will close the gap slightly. Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: fergus8 on June 12, 2008, 10:05:09 PM if i were mr benitez id break the bank to unite torres with villa, fk the midfield
Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: TheChipPrince on June 12, 2008, 10:06:11 PM if i were mr benitez id break the bank to unite torres with villa, fk the midfield Ive heard much much worse ideas... Title: Re: To the other LFC supporters on here.... Post by: The Baron on June 12, 2008, 10:56:13 PM if i were mr benitez id break the bank to unite torres with villa, fk the midfield Are you ok? You're making sense! |