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just wondering/ being nosey annonymous poll and all that.

If this isnt a good subject then obv delete.

you missed options

None

Wont ever

"you may only select 2 options"

thats me out the poll ::)

what about speed and trips?

Weed FTW

i know badly thought out poll, but just wanted to gather how liberal blondes are to each substance and why so more than others.

used to dabble in a minor way in my teens ... then i grew up.

dont really understand that comment kev, i know plenty of 30+ even 40+ yolds that go out on a friday night with 2gs of sniff in their pocket like it's their door keys or wallet.

It implies that taking drugs is childish/irresponsible and i know health wise you've done some great stuff lately but pertaining to things that are bad for you did you completely grow out of smoking/drinking/eating unhealthily?

the doc have a hard enough time getting me to take legal prescriped medcine without taking some mind altering crap

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strange comment from someone who smokes and drinks

I just grew up and lost interest in getting mashed and off my face ... responsibility hit me ... relationship, kids etc , never bothered me giving them up at all tbh.  I have been around people snorting coke through gold straws, and been offered it 100's of times, I have never accepted. In fact i find it kind of sad that middle aged blokes feel they have to snort all sorts of shit up their nostrils to be able to enjoy a night out. 

I still like a good drink every now and then, I very very rarely drink at home though, I just dont enjoy it ... I much more enjoy the social side of a drink or 2.

I have had Cannabis years ago, but not a lot tbh, the last time was on my wedding day. I had a large one b4 taking the plunge. In my job we are randomly tested for Drink n Drugs so it is no longer an option should I want to do it, but I dont anyway. Saying that I do drink when I get the chance and surly that is a drug too.

NAIL HEAD BANG

This is a subject where you are going to have the huge divide,  I myself don't agree with taking drugs, I have had family members start soft, go hard and cause no end of misery for all of us involved, I saw this from a young age ( teens around 15 ) and as a result I would never take these drugs of my on volition, I have been spiked a few times with E cos my so called mats though i was being narrow minded.

Its just not for everyone

Errr No comment - and is that poll definitely annonymous? before I vote :)

Spiked ha ha ha never had that luck :)  Normally costs me hard earned :)

tbh that just implies that your mates are childish/irresponsible rather than the actual act of drug taking

what part?  being spiked?

so the main deterent for you billy is/was the potential for progressing onto harder drugs?

Weed was the only thing I ever touched ...could never be bothered with mushrooms or E..and knew better than to take cocaine or something else.

We can have a debate about Alcohol and ciggaretes as well of course but just because someone does one thing that isn't good for them doesn't mean they can't say taking drugs is stupid. Taking hard- drugs is still stupid..Kev is right about that. Just because he smokes or drinks doesn't mean people who take hard drugs aren't stupid...it's just also stupid to smoke (and drink too much)

Well at least there ain't no smack heads on here yet!  thats a good start :)

I used to grow my own weed in my outhouse until the next door neighbours son joined the Old Bill, will have to wait till he moves out now.
It's costing me a fortune

yep

LMAO ... and those that spout off about what they take are the opposite of childish and irresponsible.

Like i said earlier, I was no angel in my teens ... But i left all that behind and thats that.

The main part for me was as a kid seeing someone I loved, respected and looked up to loose everything, he started on cannabis, progressed to cocaine, then on to ta-mazepan   then to heroin and soon after death.

this is just one of 3 people in my family who have suffered from drug addiction, Whilst alcohol, tobacco and caffeine are drugs, at least they are regulated, you know exactly what its going to do to you.

TBH I am too emotionally invested in this subject ans as such i should remove myself from it now.

peace, be safe and don't die from an overdose.

We too have someone very close addicted to Heroin. Not nice to see or be involved with, the pain it causes to the family is terrible. Knowing they are fkin up not only their own lives but everyone who loves them in the process is awful.

firstly i'd sat thats a matter or opinion, where i'm from theres 2 class of drugs, crack and heroin which are disgusting and naughty drugs that make people rob old women and then theres everything else.

As far as i'm concerned barring the naughty drugs people can do what they want and i happen to think E's, cocaine are perfectly acceptable, it's then a matter of opinion as to whether or not you think thats stupid, i'm sure we agree dying of lung cancer through smoking or dying of liver disease through drinking is pretty stupid as is taking an unintentional drug overdose.

the point i was making to kev was that the specific phrase"then i grew up" was perhaps a bit unfair.

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agree with bolt on this one +2

perhaps i should have said ... "then I grew out of it"

not getting your point here kev. I've simply put forward the opinion that spiking people's drinks is irresponsible, more so than someone taking drugs themselves. what's amusing about that?

Yeah I mucked that one up ... thought you were replying to my post, and replied ... didnt read it properly soz.

a simple case of

As far as i'm concerned barring the naughty drugs people can do what they want and i happen to think E's, cocaine are perfectly acceptable

But surly every addiction starts somewhere. Some people are not of an addictive nature but some are and seek that extra something. Not saying anyone is right or wrong but at the end of the day dont get addicted. For us his addiction also started off with a little smoke here n there. We arnt proud of his situation but have done all that we think possible to get him off. Even as far as him being locked in a room, which became unbearable for everyone concerned.

lol, fair enough, did think it was a very strange response

I don't think thats necesssarily correct.  I have an addictive personality, I'm a degenerate gambler but when it comes to what drugs I take and when I take them thats fairly regulated.  I wouldn't get myself into a situation where i wasn't in control.  but have done and still do when I'm gambling/drinking. 

I have a few cousins who have been involved in smack, and I dispise it and I hated them for the shame they brought on the family and also for their actions when they lowered themselves to IMO the lowest level by overstepping the mark to feed an addiction.

I think some things are more addictive than others. 

Seen somebody i grew up with lose his children and then his life to heroin , a young girl i know took 3 e's coke and weed last weekend ,  why ?

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• Weed Delivers

[ ] E's are good
[ ] Coca-cola are good people.
[ ] Take a Drug named after a part of your own ass
[ ] I want ot be like the guys in Trainspotting.. Heroin is cool

It's kind of unpopular to actually declare drugs are bad for you these days. I shall try and be hip and say wow dopes cool and you don't look a sad twat still smoking it when u pass puberty and above, honest.

I tried dope once hated it!  I don't get taking drugs that don't give you a high.

why is the only option for none followed by (never would)? 

might be. you're only allowed 2 options so the smackheads might do 2 other drugs as well and clicked on them

I choose coke over a ciggy....

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I prefer mine with ice and a slice of lemon tbh

From my own personal perspective i have had a line once when i was not in a good place as a close family member of mine was dying and i was struggling with this however i'm annoyed with myself that i use this as an excuse but i do so wtf apart from that i've never touched drugs.Most of my adult life i've been around mates who take drugs coke,weed,e and woteva else but not smack and this doesn't bother me they know i'm not interested and leave me to get pissed while they get up to allsorts.However i would never associate myself with anyone who took Heroin as it's a horrible dirty drug imo and i couldn't accept it.Drugs are gradually becoming an acceptable part of society and i guarentee that many more people are getting full of coke every weekend as a "social" drug than most people imagine.Is this a bad thing ... Who am i to judge?

I would legalise all drugs because we should be able to consume what we want as long as the risk stays with us. Take cannabis - there are a whole load of people who end up with criminal records for selling and smoking. Why? Because the government have decided they want it illegal mainly because they can't control and tax it. The biggest killers -smokes and booze result in millions of people with cardio vascular disease and cannabis is illegal? Beats me! There is little evidence about it being a gateway drug but in a minority of cases it can  trigger psychosis, not within the numbers the government tries to make out though - nowhere near it.

If we legalised heroin there would be no blackmarket dealers and the prices would not be so expensive. I think crime levels would shoot down because the drug would be more affordable and there would be less chance of young people getting exposed to dealers. If we legalised heroin tomorrow, all people addicted to it would be swapped to a prescription of pure heroin and it would almost close down the blackmarket overnight. If you ask a doctor if s/he could take any drug to a desert island I dont think many would chose something other than heroin. Its the best drug in the world when its pure. It causes no damage to the body or mind (except desperation when in withdrawals) when its pure and saves millions from pain each year after surgery or as a palliative drug. Heroin, although I would never touch it has got to be the best drug in the world for medicinal properties.

Coke - the devils drug. Causes too much physical and psychological damage with long term use. If any drug is 'dirty' then its this one. People get a buzz out of it - the first time they take it...lol, Then its downhill from there - chasing a buzz ain't good fun eventually and most folk end up paranoid or super egos, stick thin quivering wrecks. Having said that people who take it now and again are probably getting the most enjoyment out of it and its a pretty good dental drug and numbs the pain before procedures. I wonder how many coke head dentists there are in the country?

We think we are liberal in the UK but we are only liberal as long as the government can control and tax what we take. Most politicians subscribe to media scare mongering about illicit drugs because they are afraid the votes will go against them or simply don't know enough. Daft beggars - they would wipe drug related crime out if they bit the bullet and those big drug dealers that make a killing (sometimes literally) would be put out of business.

I got involved in the rave scene in the early 90's ,so e's and puff became a part of every weekend.The come downs finally became too much for me so i knocked it on the head.But i lost 2 mates who started off on so called soft drugs and another 2 are still in a mental instatution.So i personally cant say that drugs are acceptable at all.

Micky - can relate to what you are saying. I've got pals in same situ. Some fecked up because of psychotropics like E and coke and some dead because of smack. Most people taking these drugs dont end up in psychiatric wards but I know the damage is bad for the minority who do.

I would love to see a time when some (not alll) drugs are legalised and even sold in shops but it will obviously never happen.
Drug dealers and the crime that goes along with it is one of the main scourges on our society and that will never change while drugs are illegal.

It is non-sensical that our society has no issue with selling tobacco and alcohol knowing full well that if someone smokes all their life then there is a VERY high chance that it will kill them prob 20 years too early.
If the government is so worried about tobacco related illness then why not just ban it completely? One word obviously, tax.

As far as alcohol is concerened, any of us can walk down to the pub at opening time and if we choose to, sit there all day and get properly hammered. As long as we dont cause any trouble as a result and just make our way home at the end of the day then no one will really bat an eye lid.

So why is it such a disgrace if someone CHOOSES to pop an E or do a line of coke to help them have a good time, in teh same way that someone might have 5 pints to help them have a good time.

Just seems rediculous to me.
And as for these drugs leading onto Heroin and crack, that is just complete rubbish. Drinking alcohol does not lead automatically lead you to be an alcoholic it is purely down to the persons personality.

I would never touch those drugs in a million years.

Good post ALex!!

I don't agree with personality type though. I think its more to do with who you are and where you are in life. If you have very little confidence or self esteem and find coke or E gives you some then its highly likely you will try it again. If you are in emotional pain and try smack you will find it helps take that away so might be more likely to try it again. If you find it difficult to relax and find smoking a spliff helps then you are likely to try it again. Montado was in a bad place and tried something to cheer himself up. I think at vunerable points in our lives we are more at risk of dependant use and I include passing over to adulthood or finding your confidence within that.

This is a great thread :)

Legalisation enables the authorities to monitor and regulate what the drugs contain.  At the moment if you buy drugs from a dealer you actually have no idea what you're getting.  Not only that, you're mixing in criminal circles and it's all too easy for those that are vulnerable to be exploited.

Removing the criminality would go a long way to improving the situation (imo).

Ok, I will modify that to be "personality and circumstance". I still think that it is a lot to do with personality though, I cant see any circumstances that my life could take me to that would lead me to think, "I know, I will take a dirty needle and inject myself with this stuff that will completely wipe me out and possibly kill me eventually"

Most people don't get into heroin thinking 'I'll inject myself with a dirty needle'. Desperation and addiction lead people to this kind of behaviour. Nobody ever gets into drugs to give themselves a problem.

The personality bit. I think is about levels of self esteem and confidence and this is all affected by peer groups, circumstance etc

do you seriously think legalising heroin will stop addicts buying unpure heroin for a cheaper  price from a dodgy source. I dont imo

None for me. A lot of my friends are frequent user but it doesn't put me up or down cos I know they are responsible.

One of my mates had his drink spiked with Viagra before - was pretty comedy!

Nope, I didnt say legalise all drugs. Crack and Heroin cant be legalised as they are on a different level of a danger to health than E and Coke but if E & C were legalised then the police wouldnt have to waste time on dealing with them.

Its only hypothetical anyway as obv it will never happen.

My main issue is why we look at Tobacco and Alcohol differently to some of the lighter drugs. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes because if you legalised it, it would only be for current 'addicts' They would get it free and would not need the crap from the street. There would be no new markets for it as all the current addicts would be happy, not desperate and young people couldnt stumble apon it because there would be no dealers. Easy! :) lol

another things is that someone caught knocking out a couple of dozen pills to party goers is treated by the courts exactly the same as a heroin or crack dealer.

Anyone who understands anything about drugs should realise that this is madness.

crack and heroin should be the first ones they legalise because they cause so much harm in society. You could restrict the market quickly and close it down. You could not have an open market here - only for current addicts. Coke would be a hard one to legalise to get rid of the market so I reckon you would have to have some type of legal market for it but with coke you can make crack so this ones not so easy to sew up......need to think of a way round this one!

so you dont think any of this free heroin would get sold or shared

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

what happens when there is no more addicts. drug dealers will get people hooked on it again.  some dodgy people are making too much money from these drugs to let it stop. all they would have to do is give some away get peope hooked and watch it escalate and the money come rollin in

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.

It is about personality type - some people just are weak-willed, they have addictive personalities. Whether it be alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, food, affection, gambling, some people are unable to moderate their consumption of things which have a short-term euphoric effect.

There are many people who take drugs, even heroin, from 'time to time' without getting addicted. It doesn't affect their work or relationships as they moderate their use. These are the people the anti-drugs campaigners don't want you to know about. They prefer the 'take smack once and you'll turn into an addict' message, as they think it's more effective.

However, what they miss is that pushing such a message allows the drugtaker to absolve themselves of any responsibility for their actions, that there's something inevitable about their addiction as the power of the drug is so strong. It's not, it's that the drug-taker allows themselves to be weak and submits to the drug.

who will they target with free drugs?


Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.

legalize, give a free choice and let the poor countries to make some money.

I dont agree. Do you know any recreational heroin users? I'd say you dont get many of them at all.......

I do enjoy cannabis and coke, there is no way i am going to be doing heroin any time soon, can't see the gateway argument, except as mad says it can introduce you to the wrong people, as such i have always been a fan of mass legalization.

Drugs being sold in a controlled manner would be a lot better for society, not to mention they would be cleaner drugs and a lot cheaper!

As i have previously stated I have smoked puff/weed for about 20 odd years now,why did i start?because it helped block out a lot of shit that went through my head whilst trying to sleep,and in saying that I have never once ever tried coke/smack e's and never wanted to.

A smoke chills me out it doesnt make me get aggressive or act stupidly and i never wake feeling ill.Where as alcohol made me a very aggressive person and when drunk i would and did want to fight the world. + never mix alcohol with prescription drugs!! fk me i did at bb7 and felt shite...

In this country we have the attitude that its ok to take socially accepted drugs alcohol/tobacco but it is still frowned upon when people say they smoke the weed, the softest type of drug IMO

In the end its a matter of personal choice if you do or dont just as with alcohol/tobacco..

Sure there are horror stories regarding 1 drug leading onto harder drugs and ruining lives but so does alcohol/tobacco!!! perhaps more so?



( and as i side issue for some reason i do tend to play (poker)better when i have had a smoke??)

I don't have particuarly strong views either way on the drugs argument, but if ever there was an argument to legalise some drugs, this is it.

A few years ago a very very close family member of mine very nearly died after taking cocaine.  He was a regular recreational user, but on this case he had a very bad reaction.  He is allergic to aspirin, and clearly, on this occasion, some had found it's way in to what he was taking.  He spent 5 days and nights in intensive care, it was probably the worst 5 days of my life.

It goes without saying that, knowing he was allergic to aspirin, he probably shouldn't have been taking any chances with other drugs.  Having not having had aspirin since he was a baby though, I don't think he really realised the full extent of just how bad that allergy was.   If clean, safe, drugs had been available, he would not have ended up nearly 6 feet under.

On the flip side, I do believe his drug taking had started to become a bit out of control, affecting his personality etc, and I was beginning to become concerned.  The scare stopped him taking further drugs, which, as a loving family member, I was pleased about.  Had those 'clean' drugs been available, no doubt he would have continued using, probably to his detriment.

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Bolt put yr old avatar back up would look good on this thread.

Why are you only allowed two selections in the poll ?  ;ashamed;

Yep, two people I knew at university were like that. They used to take all manner of stuff (including heroin) whilst at university (when you can just waste time on drugs all day). When they graduated and got jobs they just stopped. Just stopped - not 'broke their addiction' or 'weaned themselves off', they just stopped as heroin isn't great at allowing you to get up at 7am on a Monday morning for work.

You must also remember the type of people who would not get addicted to hard drugs are exactly the type of people with no desire to try them in the first place - the addicts tend to be a self-selecting group.

I'm interested in mildly mind or body chemistry altering substances - about 3 pints makes me feel very comfortable in all company. A redbull or coffee will get me thru a longish drive when I'm feeling tired.

Other than fitting in a few times and having a smoke, I've never tried other drugs. And, I've never been interested in trying to convince myself I got any enjoyment out of the odd smoke I have had.' 

There are a few reasons why I haven't tried other drugs.

a) Other drugs where I might get a real high scare me in that i think I might become too partial to them
b) the sight of a hundred gurning coked out faces at an average bar is enough to put me off generally
c) I can get on a moralistic high horse, if I choose to, based on the supply chain. The supply chain for all drugs is dirty & exploitative, lots of people die or have the worst of lives, getting peoples drug of choice to their table. (exception would be home grown I guess)

Due to the nature of the supply chain (what! what!,pompous,me ?) I would def be all in favour of legalising all drugs - wouldn't really attempt to make a value judgement between soft and hard. Sell it, tax it, use the tax from people who pay for it to dole it out free to the people who can't afford it

I am sure as Andrew T says there are many happy recreational users of even the so called hard or dirty drugs. I think only people who are regularly on E, coke, weed & whizz would try to draw a distinction between smiley fun drugs and dirty drugs as it kinda justifies their preferences and human nature tends towards finding an underclass to look down on

Crack Cocaine no longer has much of an effect, but heroin is FTW especially at breakfast time.

Smoked or injected with coco pops??

admittedly if someone over does it they dont exactly do themselves any favours with how they appear, but then again neither does someone who drinks 12 pints and throws up in the taxi queue.

A bar full of people who have had recreational drugs will also cause a damn sight less trouble at chucking out time than a bar full of lads drinking pints all night thinking they are 'ard.

EDIT, this was meant to quote Nirvana's point B

this part really did make me lol! are you serious?

if you dont know the difference between someone whos addicted to heroin or crack and someone that does pills or sniff regularly then you just dont know what you're talking about.

I'm perfectly aware that there  is a difference between someone having a smoke / popping a pill and taking heroin but I wouldn't moralise on it, pity or look down on the smack head.

I'm also very aware that the effects of tobacco and alcohol are at least as and probably more harmful than someone who smokes or pops the odd pill.

I don't care what peoples preference is for doing their brains - I do care that people die and are exploited all over the world so that can someone can enjoy their line. So mrbolt and mr alex, you can accuse me of ignorance if that's your bag and I can tell you without equivocation that your little hit of enjoyment most def hurts someone somewhere. That's fine by me too but it's disingenuous to suggest that it's an innocent, doesn't hurt anyone pastime

Sorry Nirvana, I never accused you of ignorance (or at least certainly didnt intend to), I just have this frustration about society's double standards of alcohol & tobacco versus recreational drugs.

As for people suffering so someone can enjoy something, we could extend the debate to child labour in China to produce commercial goods etc.

Never ending.

Apologies again, not intended

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.
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Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.
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There is a massive difference between prescribing heroine and legalising drugs..It is not even being discussed in Holland (or any other country in the world) as a serious option.

Fk people are exploited all over the world so we can wear the best of clothes, people are exploited in the UK so we can go out and enjoy a nice meal etc etc

People are exploited avery day, its part of the big bad world.  I don't like it but it happens.

Straight Edge FTW, I have not touched alcohol, tobacco or soft drugs in over 5 years and am not missing them whatsoever. I am also no fun at parties.

IMHO soft drugs should be legalised and sold in a controlled manner, but I do have personal experience of the damage weed can do and it can help ruin someones life.

what about ketamine or mdma

I think most E's these days are laced with ketamine

and mdma is ecstacy

Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.
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There is a massive difference between prescribing heroine and legalising drugs..It is not even being discussed in Holland (or any other country in the world) as a serious option.
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Giving clean heroin to someone on prescription makes it legal. Nations may not even be thinking about legalising it on mass but there are pockets of legalisation as you describe yourself.

We won't ever see a radical policy shift around legalising drugs without evidence to say it works in some way. Prescribing drugs that are illegal is a start. We do have a long way to go though.

You come from Holland. Do you think decriminalising ganja has had any detrimental effect in or around Amserdam? I'd say it brings a fortune into the city and many people go there to experience a variety of different types without worrying about it being illegal. I can't see anything wrong with it or any harm it causing?

i'm talking about pur ketamine tablets (horse pain killers) and mdma powder form not formed pills with a load of other shit mixed in

never touched any, never will, doesnt appeal to me in the slightest...

Dont have a problem with people that do, entirely ones own choice...

good luck with buying those with no shit mixed in. you must live in the right posh bit of town if you can get pure

I don't see how mdma is a different discussion from ecstasy pills seeing as they're the same, just with different stuff cut in

and ketamine in my experience is taken by much the same group and in much the same way as ecstasy although I have much less knowledge of it than any other recreational drug

My mom is 63 and she's been on the weed for more than 20 years, she hasn't graduated to smack yet, maybe another 10 years?
I'm with bolty on this one, coke and weed are fine, i know dozens of people on coke everytime they drink but never otherwise.
It's recreational, heroin is pure evil though, i've known of 17 yr old girls offering old blokes in pubs blowjobs for a fiver because they have to get their fix no matter what.
They should have a government agency that kidnaps bagheads off the streets and locks em up for however long it takes cold turkey, fk their rights save their lives and their families from the misery.

Oh and what the hell have fags and booze got to do with it?
bigots

Please forward names of said pubs.

kings head

Nipping out for a quick slurp takes on a whole new meaning.

There is a massive difference between prescribing heroine and legalising drugs..It is not even being discussed in Holland (or any other country in the world) as a serious option.
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Giving clean heroin to someone on prescription makes it legal. Nations may not even be thinking about legalising it on mass but there are pockets of legalisation as you describe yourself.

We won't ever see a radical policy shift around legalising drugs without evidence to say it works in some way. Prescribing drugs that are illegal is a start. We do have a long way to go though.

You come from Holland. Do you think decriminalising ganja has had any detrimental effect in or around Amserdam? I'd say it brings a fortune into the city and many people go there to experience a variety of different types without worrying about it being illegal. I can't see anything wrong with it or any harm it causing?
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Decriminalising weed has been very good for Holland, not because it brings in tonnes of money (which it does) but because it stops people from etting involved in the criminal underworld that is associated with using weed here. In Holland we don't have a hard drugs problem on the scale that you have in Scotland. But giving heroine on a prescription to a junkie is NOT legalising it. There really is a massive difference. Legalising heroine is not being discussed in Holland as a viable option as the drug is much to destructive to be considered for that. Heroine will never be legalised in Holland, really honestly..it won't.
The only reason prescribing heroine is considered is because a heroine junkie will steal,prostitute themselves and essentially kill for their fix. Prescribing heroine, rather than methadone which simply does not work as people take it in addition to Heroine, stops this to some extent. That does not mean anyone is even stupid enough to contemplate legalising the stuff.

Does anyone really believe that in a world where drinking and smoking becomes more unacceptable by the day and governments do everything short of making it illegal that the same governments will legalise hard drugs? You have to be off your head to honesty believe that.
You aso have to remember that taking heroine and such drugs was at one stage (1800's to early 1900s...hell even during WW1) acceptable..until people saw what it did to those that used it. Anyone advocating the total legalisation of heroine and crack does not understand what the drug does to those that use it.

I understand where Bolt is coming from when he says that Coke and weed should be made legal...after all as a recreational drug they are not too bad..but legalising heroine surely can't be suggested as a good idea.

FYP :D

Sigh, as usual in a controversial thread, at some point it reverts to name calling so I will make this my last post on the subject.

"Drugs" duscussions have everything to do with fags and booze as that is exactly what fags and booze are, DRUGS. It just so happens that our society tollerates fags and booze as being perfectly acceptable even though alcoholism and lung cancer ruins countless thousands of lives in the UK each year. It just makes no sense what so ever. That is what it has to do with it. But I wont post on the debate again.

Clamster, you have a lot to answer for !!!!!!!!!

Erm name callin?
it was tongue in cheek but still i see no mention of fags or booze in the poll.

lolz, clearly not a serious post from ifm

thats because its an 'illegal drugs' poll ifm ;)

illegal drugs not for me but each to their own.

Giving clean heroin to someone on prescription makes it legal. Nations may not even be thinking about legalising it on mass but there are pockets of legalisation as you describe yourself.

We won't ever see a radical policy shift around legalising drugs without evidence to say it works in some way. Prescribing drugs that are illegal is a start. We do have a long way to go though.

You come from Holland. Do you think decriminalising ganja has had any detrimental effect in or around Amserdam? I'd say it brings a fortune into the city and many people go there to experience a variety of different types without worrying about it being illegal. I can't see anything wrong with it or any harm it causing?
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Decriminalising weed has been very good for Holland, not because it brings in tonnes of money (which it does) but because it stops people from etting involved in the criminal underworld that is associated with using weed here. In Holland we don't have a hard drugs problem on the scale that you have in Scotland. But giving heroine on a prescription to a junkie is NOT legalising it. There really is a massive difference. Legalising heroine is not being discussed in Holland as a viable option as the drug is much to destructive to be considered for that. Heroine will never be legalised in Holland, really honestly..it won't.
The only reason prescribing heroine is considered is because a heroine junkie will steal,prostitute themselves and essentially kill for their fix. Prescribing heroine, rather than methadone which simply does not work as people take it in addition to Heroine, stops this to some extent. That does not mean anyone is even stupid enough to contemplate legalising the stuff.

Does anyone really believe that in a world where drinking and smoking becomes more unacceptable by the day and governments do everything short of making it illegal that the same governments will legalise hard drugs? You have to be off your head to honesty believe that.
You aso have to remember that taking heroine and such drugs was at one stage (1800's to early 1900s...hell even during WW1) acceptable..until people saw what it did to those that used it. Anyone advocating the total legalisation of heroine and crack does not understand what the drug does to those that use it.

I understand where Bolt is coming from when he says that Coke and weed should be made legal...after all as a recreational drug they are not too bad..but legalising heroine surely can't be suggested as a good idea.
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If giving heroin to addicts is not legal access (to what would be an illict drug otherwise) then I don't know what it would take for it to be true legalisation?  Open access instead of a few treatment programmes? Do you want open access or restriction to those who have problems with it? There is no way you could have open access to such a dangerous drug so you legalise it by putting in a process (prescribing) from which to access it, no? Holland has been involved in legalising heroin for years - by prescription.

Maybe you dont think Holland has the same scale of 'hard drugs' problem as Scotland? It still has a massive problem. One thing though, decriminalising dope in Amsterdam apparently reduced the numbers of young people experimenting with it in years to come.

Am i a smack head or does heroine= heroin with an e  DONT MIX DRUGS imo

Boldie is actually Dutch and English is his second language which he speaks and especially writes incredibly well.

Heroine for heroin was one of his rare errors.

does DONT=DON'T without a ' ?

lol

yes.english is my native tongue and it's 1 of my many mistakes..

( i asked because mad as well spelt it with an 'e' and seeing as i am not up with all the drugs terminology thought it might be a new mix....)

If I did spll it like that, I made a mistake :)

Decriminalising weed has been very good for Holland, not because it brings in tonnes of money (which it does) but because it stops people from etting involved in the criminal underworld that is associated with using weed here. In Holland we don't have a hard drugs problem on the scale that you have in Scotland. But giving heroine on a prescription to a junkie is NOT legalising it. There really is a massive difference. Legalising heroine is not being discussed in Holland as a viable option as the drug is much to destructive to be considered for that. Heroine will never be legalised in Holland, really honestly..it won't.
The only reason prescribing heroine is considered is because a heroine junkie will steal,prostitute themselves and essentially kill for their fix. Prescribing heroine, rather than methadone which simply does not work as people take it in addition to Heroine, stops this to some extent. That does not mean anyone is even stupid enough to contemplate legalising the stuff.

Does anyone really believe that in a world where drinking and smoking becomes more unacceptable by the day and governments do everything short of making it illegal that the same governments will legalise hard drugs? You have to be off your head to honesty believe that.
You aso have to remember that taking heroine and such drugs was at one stage (1800's to early 1900s...hell even during WW1) acceptable..until people saw what it did to those that used it. Anyone advocating the total legalisation of heroine and crack does not understand what the drug does to those that use it.

I understand where Bolt is coming from when he says that Coke and weed should be made legal...after all as a recreational drug they are not too bad..but legalising heroine surely can't be suggested as a good idea.
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If giving heroin to addicts is not legal access (to what would be an illict drug otherwise) then I don't know what it would take for it to be true legalisation?  Open access instead of a few treatment programmes? Do you want open access or restriction to those who have problems with it? There is no way you could have open access to such a dangerous drug so you legalise it by putting in a process (prescribing) from which to access it, no? Holland has been involved in legalising heroin for years - by prescription.

Maybe you dont think Holland has the same scale of 'hard drugs' problem as Scotland? It still has a massive problem. One thing though, decriminalising dope in Amsterdam apparently reduced the numbers of young people experimenting with it in years to come.
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I understand what you are saying but for Dutch people there is a massive difference between the legalisation of a drug and helping someone who is already addicted to a drug cope with his/her addiction. We don't consider the two to be the same at all..I think that's where we get our wires crossed.

We have a drugs problem, of course we do. There isn't a country in the world that doesn't, but ours is not even close to being on the same scale as Scotland's is, this (in my humble opinion) is because we haven't criminalised people who take, and sell, soft drugs. Therefore the jump between soft and hard drugs is much bigger than it is over here...we are, generally speaking, simply better educated on the difference between hard and soft drugs and culturally we find that taking of hard-drugs is more unacceptable than it is over here but we don't demonise those that do and quite clearly need help to cope with their addiction.

Another advantage of legalising "soft" drugs is that cutomers do not have to buy them from dealers.

Yes, that is where the benefits of legalisation really come in. The people who use soft-drugs simply don't come in touch with the guys that sell heroine/cocaine and all that on a regular basis (and we can say no to the guys selling it on the Zeedijk)

boldilocks, can you explain something please.

once when I was in amsterdam I got approached several times by dodgy looking blokes popping out from alleyways offering to sell me weed. never really understood the point. is it a code used by hard drug dealers or were they just odd?

no there legit gatso. Last year my mates and i managed to buy 10 smint's and 3 bags of daz without a problem

You look like a tourist..they were hoping to rip you off by selling you shitty weed...those guys ussually also sell crapp coke and all that...

sweet, I'll use them next time if you vouch for 'em


cheers. you'd have to be a really thick tourist to turn up in Amsterdam and think that you have to buy weed off those blokes

It ussually works on Americans lol

If giving heroin to addicts is not legal access (to what would be an illict drug otherwise) then I don't know what it would take for it to be true legalisation?  Open access instead of a few treatment programmes? Do you want open access or restriction to those who have problems with it? There is no way you could have open access to such a dangerous drug so you legalise it by putting in a process (prescribing) from which to access it, no? Holland has been involved in legalising heroin for years - by prescription.

Maybe you dont think Holland has the same scale of 'hard drugs' problem as Scotland? It still has a massive problem. One thing though, decriminalising dope in Amsterdam apparently reduced the numbers of young people experimenting with it in years to come.
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I understand what you are saying but for Dutch people there is a massive difference between the legalisation of a drug and helping someone who is already addicted to a drug cope with his/her addiction. We don't consider the two to be the same at all..I think that's where we get our wires crossed.

We have a drugs problem, of course we do. There isn't a country in the world that doesn't, but ours is not even close to being on the same scale as Scotland's is, this (in my humble opinion) is because we haven't criminalised people who take, and sell, soft drugs. Therefore the jump between soft and hard drugs is much bigger than it is over here...we are, generally speaking, simply better educated on the difference between hard and soft drugs and culturally we find that taking of hard-drugs is more unacceptable than it is over here but we don't demonise those that do and quite clearly need help to cope with their addiction.
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Yes and I know where you are coming from too, I was mearly enjoying the debate :) Legailsing Heroin could only ever be for people who are addicted to it, not for new markets.

I think some people in Holland do demonise people that take 'hard drugs', I don't think your country is better educated about them either. The policy is more liberal but it doesnt stop individual clowns from being judgemental whether they are Scottish or Dutch.

Anyway good debate :)

Haha!!

Didn't work on me when they chanced it. 

Why does that not surprise me? lmao

Ok i cracked it ironsides 2nd account has to be!

Ive dabbled with pretty much everything apart from Smack in my time, and enjoyed most experiences.....  Mushy's didnt really agree with me tho, had a bit of a bad one that put me off for life!  Sort of happed with each one slowly...  Smoked weed from 15 till about 2 months ago when I decided to give myself a break.  To be honest I could probably have a smoke at any stage if it were available but less and less people are doing stuff these days (as im getting older) and think its about time.  A lot of my friends still do and when I get 6 or 7 pints down me I can be very tempted & can be drawn in but happens less these days.  It personal choice to give it a miss now, I dont regret a moment the things ive done cos in the main its given me a big smile through the times.  I wouldnt encourage anyone to give them a go as it can lead to harder things, but its each to its own.....

Bong anyone?  lol

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You know me to well from the dudley days....