Controversial Poll illegal Drugs

[nirvana]

I'm interested in mildly mind or body chemistry altering substances - about 3 pints makes me feel very comfortable in all company. A redbull or coffee will get me thru a longish drive when I'm feeling tired.

Other than fitting in a few times and having a smoke, I've never tried other drugs. And, I've never been interested in trying to convince myself I got any enjoyment out of the odd smoke I have had.' 

There are a few reasons why I haven't tried other drugs.

a) Other drugs where I might get a real high scare me in that i think I might become too partial to them
b) the sight of a hundred gurning coked out faces at an average bar is enough to put me off generally
c) I can get on a moralistic high horse, if I choose to, based on the supply chain. The supply chain for all drugs is dirty & exploitative, lots of people die or have the worst of lives, getting peoples drug of choice to their table. (exception would be home grown I guess)

Due to the nature of the supply chain (what! what!,pompous,me ?) I would def be all in favour of legalising all drugs - wouldn't really attempt to make a value judgement between soft and hard. Sell it, tax it, use the tax from people who pay for it to dole it out free to the people who can't afford it

I am sure as Andrew T says there are many happy recreational users of even the so called hard or dirty drugs. I think only people who are regularly on E, coke, weed & whizz would try to draw a distinction between smiley fun drugs and dirty drugs as it kinda justifies their preferences and human nature tends towards finding an underclass to look down on

[sledge13]

Crack Cocaine no longer has much of an effect, but heroin is FTW especially at breakfast time.

[cia260895]

Crack Cocaine no longer has much of an effect, but heroin is FTW especially at breakfast time.

Smoked or injected with coco pops??

[ItsMrAlex2u]

admittedly if someone over does it they dont exactly do themselves any favours with how they appear, but then again neither does someone who drinks 12 pints and throws up in the taxi queue.

A bar full of people who have had recreational drugs will also cause a damn sight less trouble at chucking out time than a bar full of lads drinking pints all night thinking they are 'ard.

EDIT, this was meant to quote Nirvana's point B

[bolt pp]

I think only people who are regularly on E, coke, weed & whizz would try to draw a distinction between smiley fun drugs and dirty drugs as it kinda justifies their preferences and human nature tends towards finding an underclass to look down on

this part really did make me lol! are you serious?

if you dont know the difference between someone whos addicted to heroin or crack and someone that does pills or sniff regularly then you just dont know what you're talking about.

[ItsMrAlex2u]

I think only people who are regularly on E, coke, weed & whizz, CIGARETTES & ALCOHOL would try to draw a distinction between smiley fun drugs and dirty drugs as it kinda justifies their preferences and human nature tends towards finding an underclass to look down on

this part really did make me lol! are you serious?

if you dont know the difference between someone whos addicted to heroin or crack and someone that does pills or sniff regularly then you just dont know what you're talking about.

[nirvana]

I'm perfectly aware that there  is a difference between someone having a smoke / popping a pill and taking heroin but I wouldn't moralise on it, pity or look down on the smack head.

I'm also very aware that the effects of tobacco and alcohol are at least as and probably more harmful than someone who smokes or pops the odd pill.

I don't care what peoples preference is for doing their brains - I do care that people die and are exploited all over the world so that can someone can enjoy their line. So mrbolt and mr alex, you can accuse me of ignorance if that's your bag and I can tell you without equivocation that your little hit of enjoyment most def hurts someone somewhere. That's fine by me too but it's disingenuous to suggest that it's an innocent, doesn't hurt anyone pastime

[ItsMrAlex2u]

Sorry Nirvana, I never accused you of ignorance (or at least certainly didnt intend to), I just have this frustration about society's double standards of alcohol & tobacco versus recreational drugs.

As for people suffering so someone can enjoy something, we could extend the debate to child labour in China to produce commercial goods etc.

Never ending.

Apologies again, not intended

[boldie]

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.
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Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.
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There is a massive difference between prescribing heroine and legalising drugs..It is not even being discussed in Holland (or any other country in the world) as a serious option.

[GlasgowBandit]

I don't care what peoples preference is for doing their brains - I do care that people die and are exploited all over the world so that can someone can enjoy their line. So mrbolt and mr alex, you can accuse me of ignorance if that's your bag and I can tell you without equivocation that your little hit of enjoyment most def hurts someone somewhere. That's fine by me too but it's disingenuous to suggest that it's an innocent, doesn't hurt anyone pastime

Fk people are exploited all over the world so we can wear the best of clothes, people are exploited in the UK so we can go out and enjoy a nice meal etc etc

People are exploited avery day, its part of the big bad world.  I don't like it but it happens.

[Grier78]

Straight Edge FTW, I have not touched alcohol, tobacco or soft drugs in over 5 years and am not missing them whatsoever. I am also no fun at parties.

IMHO soft drugs should be legalised and sold in a controlled manner, but I do have personal experience of the damage weed can do and it can help ruin someones life.

[phatomch]

what about ketamine or mdma

[GlasgowBandit]

what about ketamine or mdma

I think most E's these days are laced with ketamine

[gatso]

what about ketamine or mdma

I think most E's these days are laced with ketamine

and mdma is ecstacy

[madasahatstand]

not if you supervised the consumption. they have tried this n some european countries and found illict use can be stopped altogether as long as there is good access to clean prescribed d rugs

please name me 2 of these countries.

There is a case to be made for the legalisation for drugs but it sure as hell doesn't go for all drugs. Legalise soft drugs and the step to hard drugs becomes much bigger..legalising hard drugs is madness and not even advocated in liberal countries (like Holland) unless it is in a distribution program.

Yes I'm talking about distribution programmes and your own country is researching this along with Denmark, Germany, Switzerland and many more after recognising that methadone is not doing a good enough job. How can you jump straight to legalisation without proving heroin prescribing actually works? You can't because most people don't know a lot about these things and just see drugs as bad. Heroin prescribing also is researched in England I'm sure. If you want details I'm sure I can get some papers on it for you. I didn't say these countries had legalised heroin but are prescribing it to good effect


this link tells you the effect in Switzerland

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/ontv/theinsider/heroin+on+the+nhs/649957


bummer I need to go out now - have a good debate all.
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There is a massive difference between prescribing heroine and legalising drugs..It is not even being discussed in Holland (or any other country in the world) as a serious option.
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Giving clean heroin to someone on prescription makes it legal. Nations may not even be thinking about legalising it on mass but there are pockets of legalisation as you describe yourself.

We won't ever see a radical policy shift around legalising drugs without evidence to say it works in some way. Prescribing drugs that are illegal is a start. We do have a long way to go though.

You come from Holland. Do you think decriminalising ganja has had any detrimental effect in or around Amserdam? I'd say it brings a fortune into the city and many people go there to experience a variety of different types without worrying about it being illegal. I can't see anything wrong with it or any harm it causing?