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unreal..knock someone unconscious, keep hitting and kicking him in front of 20 witnesses and get spared jail time even though you've done something similar before simply because the judge told you he would not send you to jail if you confessed.

Overpaid scum and shows whats wrong with our justice system, no deterrent whatsoever!

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The video is on YouTube.  He's such a piece of scum.

I see that he's in the sporting chance clinic- I'm all for giving players a 2nd chance but he's been given umpteen- from stubbing out a cigar on a 15 year olds eye to the dabo incident to smashing someones head in outside a Mcdonalds- its ridiculous this guy can still be allowed to play proffesional football earning £40k+ per week. A true punishment for scum like this would be to ban him altogether.

I heard what Dabo said- "shame on Newcastle" and I agree- the problem is that because he's a talented footballer and with whats at stake in the premiership theres always going to be one team who will take him. The only way to stop it would be for the F.A to do something to ban him.

If he'd been given the 3-4 years in jail which he should have been then Newcastle or the F.A wouldn't have to do anything, Barton is not footballs problem he's society as a wholes problem.

wow

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080710/tuk-jailed-barton-won-t-be-freed-early-45dbed5.html

Seems fair enough.

Absolutely...

But I think he should get bail in four weeks time though....

Cut his left foot off and ship him to Australia imo.

Is he left footed like? Geniune question - from what I have seen both his feet are incapable of striking a football cleanly!

If our jails are overflowing he'd be one of the first I'd release to make room for others tbh.

Chelsea sacked Mutu for doing coke. Why do Newcastle think beating people in the streets is a less serious issue? It's funny when angry ants like Barton pick fights because it's always with smaller guys who clearly don't want to fight. If I was the guy outside maccy d's I would be disappointed that I didn't swing a single punch at the idiot after such a sustained beating.

If the guy did react with a swing at Barton- his top paid Lawyers woulda probably got him out of it

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4413216.ece

Keegan is a giant feckin arse.

Newcastle lost 1-0 away to Doncaster Rovers on Saturday.  LOOOOOOOOOL

Why should NUFC have to put itself in a position to make moral judgements? Its a football club/business and should make football and business decisions only.

Society has dealt with Barton in the way that our laws say we should. The fact that in peoples opinions they are right or wrong has nothing to do with football or NUFC.

If he had commited an offence on NUFC business (like a cantona attack on a fan), then yes they should take action.

The incident happened before KK was manager and he said from the off that he would stick by him and give him a second chance. The fact he has had second chances at other times in his career is reasonably irrelevant in NUFC's decision to give him one under them. Rather than an arse KK is just sticking to his word. It may turn out that KKs bosses make a decision to impose something further on Joey Barton anyway, but again for me, that is of no concern to anyone other than the employer and the employee.

Good post Rooky

I am simply stunned by that reply. To have someone who, out of the blue, stamps the crap out of a team-mate and assaults someone else play in a PSV shirt would definitely upset me. That is not the sort of player I would want playing in the shirt of my club. The club I would take my kids to. The club I always wanted to play for when I was younger.

To say that Barton has already had numerous second chances but they are not NUFC's concern as they didn't happen while he was employed for NUFC baffles me. It goes to show a proper dodgy pattern in the behaviour of this young man..and , if I were his team mate, I wouldn't feel very safe working with the man.
NUFC shouldn't even have bought the player..that's where the mistake was made as now they can't get rid of him because they don't have the money to.
 It was bad enough that Lee Bowyer and Dyer couldn't behave themselves when playing for your club. To now say "yeah, any other job and you would have had the sack Joey but tell ya what..We're Newcastle..we don't mind our players beating the shit out of other people..or eachother" is a stunning piece of mismanagement.

This is an economical desicion, nothing more nothing less. Newcastle can't claim any moral ground as they don't have one, that is essentially it..they are showing themselves to be a small club, in every way.

Newcastle should get shut of him..

BUT i dont blame them at all for sticking by him, easy to get rid and get praise, then watch when someone else says ''thank you very much, we'll have a £6mil+ player for free as he's done his time and is now reformed''...

Qs

I had to bite me tongue really hard and I have to again now.

i) Would I prefer him not to be a Newcastle player in the first place - Yes. My whole reply is based on as is at this moment in time, because anything else just doesn't matter. I do not want my club to suffer what would be a material financial loss by trying to play god. In terms of kids its too easy for people to moan about role models. Its an excuse for poor parenting. It could also easily be turned into making an example of that type of behaviour - they will only have to look at the reception he'll get everywhere to see he has been 'bad'.

ii) I would be willing to bet there have been every bit as bad a training ground bust up at many clubs around the country. I'm not defending it or trying to belittle it - but its not like he is attacking his team mates everyday for them to be fearing for their safety. Eboue or Essien are more of a risk to a player than joey barton.
Yes, the mistake has been made and quite rightly imo they are making a business decision for their business (if indeed the party line is what KK has said)
How can you put that made up quote in quotation marks?!! There are thousands of people that have drunken brawls every weekend - do they all lose their jobs?

iii) Yes it is, and it should be imo. I don't think they have tried to claim a moral ground, nor should they have to.

Its simple for my opinion. Are Newcastle United, at this moment, with these circumstances, going to be stronger next year with Joey Barton in the squad - the answer is yes so I want him in. I wasn't part of the jury so its not my job to judge him.

I really don't understand it all kicking off today, just because he has come out. The situation is the same as it has been for the last month.

Of course you always seem to be right and your voice must be heard on everything so it may be quicker to just agree that Newcastle are scum in everyway - chuck them out the league, cut joey bartons legs off, extend the Byker wall to close in the whole city etc etc

It didn't really all kick off today though, it was already discussed when he got sent down and I am genuinely dissapointed in Newcastle here.

And most people who get a conviction for assault do indeed lose their jobs.

Discussed yes. TalkSport have had a whole day talking about it = the kicked off comment.

So its the conviction rather than the offence?

We'll agree to disagree!!

Ah, haven't listened to Talksport today mate.

agree to disagree we shall :)

Barton said "The first day's the toughest, no doubt about it. They march you in, hand you your uniform and force you to pose for the photographer while loads of fat, tattooed, skinheads shout abuse at you. That's when you know it's for real. A whole life blown away in the blink of an eye.
Nothing left but all the time in the world to think about it. That's when it hits home. That's when you realise you've signed for Newcastle."

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More problems for him

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7535664.stm

is anyone aware of a training ground bust up leading to a charge?

Bowyer got 6 games (for his stamp in the Uefa cup & the punch up too I think), should probably be expecting the same - may get treated more harshly than usual because of media coverage.

Did it not happen with Hartson and Berkovic?

I hope the FA actually ensure he misses some games, and the more the better. For me this assault is worse than any the FA have dealt with previously so any ban should be a long one.

The British justice system should be embarrassed that he's out in time for pre-season, IMO he shouldn't be out this side of Christmas, maybe the FA can keep him off a football field until then.   

Barton's a total prick, Newcastle have no defence really as they knew exactly what they were buying. Shows how desperate they've become.

as far as I'm aware there isn't any foootage of the dabo thing so not sure how it can be seen to be worse. If berkerwic had pressed charges he would have got the same conviction, especially given video evidence there, not sure if he did get a ban.  Violent conduct is standard three games, I think newcastle will appeal anymore than that.

Prutton got a 10 game ban for pushing a ref
Di Canio got an 11 game ban for pushing a ref

In comparison i'd probably give him a 38 game ban for assault.

they're looking at 15 apparently and quite right they are.

From Sky news in 2007 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20082851264280


So Dabo reported it to the police...and now Barton has been found guilty of it.

Considering what Dabo looked like after the attack and that Barton has been found guilty of causing the injuries I think we don't need video footage to see how bad it was.

Hartson got fined - no football punishment and no criminal charges.

The British justice system has nothing to do with football. Most of my feeling is based on the fact people seem to think football has a duty to make a moral decision, which it is far less qualified to do than our law.


This wasn't an FA match official during a Premier league sanctioned game - i just don't think they have any jurisdiction over the incident. They can't just make up rules as they like.

If training ground incidents fall under violent conduct then where does the line get drawn? Should there be a match official looking for two footed tackles? That's violent conduct. Makelle near chopped A Cole in two just before the CL final - shouldn't he of had a 3 match ban for that if violent conduct counts there? they should have done him for disrepute and that would have been slightly more understandable. Like I say i just think the charges have nothing to do with football, have been dealt with in court of law and his only further punishment should be public ridicule in football stadiums.

It was violent conduct at a team under the jurisdiction of the FA. I'm guessing you don't think they have jurisdiction because they've never done it before but nobody has done what Joey has done so maybe the rules have been there all along but thankfully we've never needed them.
On where to draw the line i think this can be made quite simple.
Any incident where somebody is found guilty in a court of law is probably outside the day to day stuff that goes on at a club. Hence why he is only being charged now after being found guilty.

i'm guessing its not in their juristiction because i) there is nothing in the laws of the game about it, which talk about the offence of violent conduct and ii) because incidents like this have and do happen at training grounds and haven't lead to the charge.

If your drawing the line based on conviction then its not an even playing field. All you need is to not have charges pressed. You can have exactly the same incident with two different outcomes.

He isn't being charged now that he has been found guilty. He was found guilty a month ago anyway. He is being charged now because they say they couldn't interview people because of the impending court case, the guilt is irrelevant - which means that if this is in their laws then you wouldn't need to have a conviction anyway - which again leads to whre is the line?!

It'll be interesting to see if he gets fit and chance to play whilst awaiting his personal hearing, should be in for a decent reception at Old Trafford! Not sure I'd fancy that, even at a quiet ground!

Maybe the FA should change the charge to bringing the game into disrepute, surely then there could be no argument.

Yeah, but I think there is probably something in their rules that means that is only punishable with a fine rather than games ;  which appears to be what people want. All a bit of point scoring for me.

You can get games for disrepute - Roy Keane got five for admitting his assault on Alf-Inge Haland was premeditated. Makes it even more bizzare. I'd be suprised if he got any more than 6 on that basis.

Cantona got a 9 month world ban for the same thing. He'll be lucky if he gets 15 games.

Newcastle will be stronger next year with Joey Barton? This is something that is far from clear cut. While it is true that Newcastle United Plc are not obliged to make moral judgements the people associated with the club will find that unavoidable. Fans making a moral judgement will decide to stay away or support less vigourously and team mates making moral judgements will not unite as they could. Sponsors moral judgements will restrict business opps and a smeared rep will affect community relations in general. This all costs them.

No player is bigger than the club they play for and the plc is not bigger than the club either. The club is the people. The people are free to make moral judgements. And they don't want Barton because he is a violent numpty with a ridic new haircut.

If two players can get on after a training ground incident without pressing charges then it's day to day stuff and doesn't need punishing.
Without seeing the incident how can you say that stuff like this does and has happened? Are you straying from fact towards Newcastle bias?

How the sentence is even in question is beyond me. I think it should have been longer for such a sickening attack.

This isn't two lads scrapping in a match in the heat of the moment or someone saying "yeah I did want to buckle him coz he pissed me off" - this is a guy who attacked another man from behind as he walked away, then punched him repeatedly whilst the other guy didn't was on the ground not retaliating tryin to do him some serious damage. It's sickening. It's not remotely comparable to any of the examples listed above.

I don't really care what rules were in place, common sense says the book should be thrown at him. As he plays football in a league in England, of course it's the FA's jurisdiction. They cant be expect to have rules in place for stuff like this because you don't expect stuff like this to happen.

Our kids aren't stupid, they know the difference between an on field scrap between two players who give a shit and a guy aiming to seriously hurt another through malicious violence. Of course he should be made an example of. What he did has no defence.

If I did that to a guy in the street I'd expect ramifications in my fied of work too and rightly so.

Funny because Dwain Chambers made a mistake. He didn't hurt anyone. But he has been absolutely lambasted for his error. He cannot run for his country in the olympics ever again and is seen as complete scum in many quarters. However, Barton who beats innocent people to a pulp is given chance after chance after chance and can continue playing his particular sport at the same level as before with the complete backing of his club. Am I missing something?

Chambers didnt really make a mistake to be fair he choose to take drugs and he knew what the repercussions where so if he was that bothered he wouldn't have done so in the 1st place.As for joey barton we should've sacked him he's total scum however, the fact we haven't will not have any effect on fans choosing to support our team we'll still go, i personally won't be supporting him and i'm unsure what kind of reaction he will get.As for the ban i don't really care he's shit anyway.

Yep Chambers chose to take drugs and Barton chose to try and blind two of his colleagues and chose to batter some kid senseless in the streets. Chambers choosing the wrong route has led to the end of his career. Barton choosing the wrong route three times has not affected his career much at all. The reason is money. If Barton was some run-of-the-mill youth player Newcastle would have made some big deal about how they do not tolerate that sort of behaviour. Football clubs are pivotal in communities, especially so in a place like Toon. Showing that this behaviour should be tolerated is a tremendously bad example to set and is contributing to a crumbling society. I think clubs have some form of social responsibility to the communities they are part of. Newcastle fail badly in this area.

I really do think that his presence will affect the level of support Newcastle get both home, away, and from within next season. I do agree that he is shit though. I would love him to come swinging at me while I'm trying to enjoy a vanilla shake outside Maccy D's. I would take great pleasure in taking his arrogant oasis inspired-head clean off his short stubby body.

I guarentee that this will not affect support one little bit we will stll sell out most home games like last season and will still fill our allocation for all away games.

I agree with what your saying but rules are rules maybe there should be a rule in football where if you are found guilty on at least 3 seperate occassions to assaulting someone then you get a lifetime ban from playing ?

I have about 5 replies part written over the last day or so and deleted them.

Firstly I do thing Joey Barton is a tit, and an average footballer at best, who played well below that last year.

I just don't think that because of people believeing the justice system has let him off lightly (the order that the cases were heard did the system no favours) means that a separate incident should have increased punishment to make up for it. A stamp or a few punches, it does happen on training grounds. He didn't beat this guy (Dabo) up for a few minutes, with it being a training session there would be people pulling him off in seconds - so I think it is comparative to kicking someone in the head pretty much full force, leg breaking type tackles or elbowing someone in the face delibrately. In terms of offences committed on football pitches, either in stadiums or training, Joey Barton is well down the list for thugs & dangerous individuals.

Of course if it was some nobody player who had no value to the club they would just get shot - but Joey Barton does have a value at this moment in time and the people who make these decisions (as they are entitled to) have decided the costs aren't as high as that value. There would be no sense in keeping someone who had no value and had costs. I don't think they would do it morally it would just be an obviously football/business decision. you think that roy Keane, who delibratelty planned to damage people who have lasted at Man U if he hadn't been a top player? no way.

Baron I don't think the sentence has been brought into question in the thread has it? Also I thing your talking about the McD's incident not the training ground one?

Football being pivotal in communities, especially 'toon'?  What the hell does that mean? It sounds like your refering to Newcastle as being an underdeveloped place where the people all act like lemings following what the footballers do, or that its an area that suffers from particularly poor social disorder? NUFC is a big part of the city and a significant number of people in the area - but I really don't subscribe to him being in a position to set example. He did wrong and went to prison, pretty clear message to any kids, who should have parents setting examples anyway. you can't set examples without pointing out poor ones. Society isn't going to crumble on tyneside, or anywhere else for that matter, because of Joey Barton! How many footballers have been setting examples of stabbing people in London? Society has its own problems, completely unrelated to football. Is anyone going to look at Joey Barton and thinks well his punishment doesn't seem too bad, I'll go and do that - no!

I was also saying that Chambers (who made a mistake everytime he injected/swallowed and ran under the influence) should have been allowed to run.... ;hide; I do have ethics, honestly, ridiculously high in truth! I'm just willing to follow that people are given chances after being punished for mistakes.

Chambers career is not over because of drugs at all! He is still the best sprinter in the country and proved it a couple of weeks ago. the only thing he can't do is run in the Olympics - which was a set rule before he made his 100's of mistakes.

Where does Barton's previous come into it? - cigar into youth player's eye comes to mind.

I'd a lot of respect for the support who rebelled against their team signing Lee Bowyer (Southampton?) after his offenses.

If I played for Keegan and he wanted Barton in the team I'd be reconsidering my bosses valuation of me & the rest of the team with a violent coward who'll attack with a) the benefit of surprise, b) his 'crew' being welcomed back.

Good question - Into this punishment (games banned for Dabo incident) it doesn't for me. In my thing of being willing to give people chances after punishment there is an assumption that each mistake comes with a heavier punishment. There is a football thing and a social thing here. Separate for me.

"...at one stage he tackled me from behind, which I didn't take kindly to, so I then tackled him back, which got him very angry. We then had a bit of a push and a shove, as you see at training grounds almost every day, and I thought that was the end of that. But then, as I was turning away to rejoin the training game, Barton thumped me from behind on the right temple. That knocked me down and, while I was falling, he hit me again several times in the face.."
Joey Barton is comfortably top of any thug list in the premiership.

Rooky9, you have made good points throughout this thread and presented a good defence. No doubt a lot of the things you say at this time are mirrored by Newcastle United. But it is difficult to get away from the point you make about his valuation being the catalyst for this defence. Money being put ahead of morality is deffo a sign of a society in decline.

Just to clarify the point about communities. I remember a study some years ago that showed when your football club won the productivity for workers in the area rose significantly the following week. If your team lost productivity dropped. So it is fair to say that what happens at a football club has an influence on the community in general. The reason I say especially Toon is not because I see Newcastle as underdeveloped but because I see them as probably the most passionate fans in the country. It's like a religion up there no? If you have a lot of fans living and breathing the football club they will be affected generally by the goings on there. I don't necessarily think the fans will follow Barton as an example. But I do think avid fans could be influenced by the club itself. If a guy kicks off in his factory and punches a colleague the Newcastle fan boss of the factory could conclude that the guy is a good worker and deserves a second chance. Kicking off and attacking colleagues becomes a less serious offence because of the examples being set. Then society goes down the road where violence is tolerated. And I don't think it should be tolerated.

Absolutely.  He can still make tens of thousands of pounds each time he runs.  His career is far from over - unfortunately.

I echo Mantis when he says Rooky has made some good points i just disagree with him and feel i'm a bit more impartial too.

My 2000th post was on joey barton, oh dear! Not sure which one.

A possible new owner on the horizon now - it's never quiet at nufc that's for sure!

No I'm not. Reading what Dabo and surrounding payers said about the attack it sounded as bad as the McDonald's one.


With this statement I don't think you can have read people's statements from the incident. Barton beat the living shit out of a guy from behind and continued to do so whilst he was on the floor not fighting back. He hit Paul Dickov who tried to break it up. Joe Hart said he hit him repeatedly in the face. Samaras said he was physically shocked at what he saw and it is something he'd never forget.

If a policeman did something like this, he would be sentenced and then dismissed from the force ... Soldiers too, a court marshal and sentence followed by a dishonourable discharge ... If someone working at fkin McDonalds did this they would be sacked ... it really is laughable.

The only thing that remotely backs Newcastle FC is that the incident happened when Barton was at another club ... regardless of that, I think he should be banned from playing AT ANY LEVEL for a full season.

Not sure if i've been hit on the head or something but ...  :goodpost:

Newcastle United have been and still are run by imbosiles who are fookin clueless tbh.Why wasn't there a clause in his contract that if he got charged guilty for the dabo incident that we would recieve compo from city (as he's likely to be banned now cause of it) if we hadve got compo we would've sacked him and i'm not sure if anyone especially in the prem would've touched him

Compo plays football? For City?

Good grief.

Barton?

There must be a number of reasons why he should be trated leniently. I just can't think of one.

Life Ban, ftw. I watched the you tube vid of his fracas, & saw the pics of his team-mate, Post-Barton.

Jibba jabba all you want, he's a worthless piece of poo.

LOL "suposebly" he's just about to break into the 1st team we definitly should've said we wanted him instead

Life ban would not be a harsh punishment imo

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7573093.stm

Where there's blame there's a claim.

lol, just lol, whats the spread on when he falls off the wagon again?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7685293.stm

I wonder what has entertained me more this year, the fergus thread or newcastles season thus far.

Ive heard him referred to as a role model about 20 times today, what a joke.

Potential role model.

I look forward to him looking like a fringe international footballer from now on.

The potential role model thing is ridiculous, based on that anyone who has done something bad and not yet changed their ways is a potential role model, I dont see what Joey Barton has demonstrated that would suggest any sort of change of character since he got out of jail other than keeping his head down. If he manages to stay on the straight and narrow and make something of the rest of his career (and I do think he is probably the man to get Newcastle out of the shit at the moment) it will surely be because he is rich and famous and got support that most people out of jail never get, not because of anything he has done.

How he had the cheek to even infer he is potentially a better role model than backs is beyone me. I know he was being specific in the context of troubled teens, but even then he shouldnt have said it.

There are only certain people who can be a 'role model' though. (I hate the whole concept to be honest. Good parents dont need their kids to have role models) You have to have exposure, so not everyone can do it. He has shown no qualities other than that at the moment tbf.

I think there is something in the fact that a kid from a council estate somewhere is going to be able to relate to Joey Barton more than a Michael Owen.

I like that quote, gonna start using it and claiming it as my own.

I think there are loads of kids from council estates that are good role models before Barton in the footy world, Rooney springs to mind.

hmm... a street fighter or a pro shagger. Tough choice for me.

Joey Barton calling Agbonlahor big lips and flicking his lip on Monday. lol does he never learn.

Did you see him say this?!

The thing i'm struggling to understand with Barton at the mo is, for example, at the Sunderland when he's warming he recieves a demi-god like appluase from the Newcastle fan the sort ive only seen reserved for Shearer etc etc.  I just dont get it, he's done nawt/nothing/zilch since joining you, probably cost you more than £1mil in wages and dragged the clubs name through the dirt.

So why oh why are Newcastle fans like thsi with him?  Support him, yes, by all means, help him through his troubles, but the reception he's getting just makes me cringe...

I wasn't at the sundlerland game, but he certainly hasn't been given any warmer reception than the performances he has put in earn him for the home games. Either it was a stand up for one of our own situation at Sunderland or u haven't seen the reception given to  popular Newcastle player, oba martins, shay given etc. 

There's is probably also recognition that whilst he has done squat there is huge potential, and now early support to that, that he can be a big player for us.