Joey Barton

[Rooky9]

is anyone aware of a training ground bust up leading to a charge?

Bowyer got 6 games (for his stamp in the Uefa cup & the punch up too I think), should probably be expecting the same - may get treated more harshly than usual because of media coverage.

[Maxriddles]

Did it not happen with Hartson and Berkovic?

I hope the FA actually ensure he misses some games, and the more the better. For me this assault is worse than any the FA have dealt with previously so any ban should be a long one.

The British justice system should be embarrassed that he's out in time for pre-season, IMO he shouldn't be out this side of Christmas, maybe the FA can keep him off a football field until then.   

[vegaslover]

Barton's a total prick, Newcastle have no defence really as they knew exactly what they were buying. Shows how desperate they've become.

[Rooky9]

as far as I'm aware there isn't any foootage of the dabo thing so not sure how it can be seen to be worse. If berkerwic had pressed charges he would have got the same conviction, especially given video evidence there, not sure if he did get a ban.  Violent conduct is standard three games, I think newcastle will appeal anymore than that.

[Josedinho]

Prutton got a 10 game ban for pushing a ref
Di Canio got an 11 game ban for pushing a ref

In comparison i'd probably give him a 38 game ban for assault.

[boldie]

as far as I'm aware there isn't any foootage of the dabo thing so not sure how it can be seen to be worse. If berkerwic had pressed charges he would have got the same conviction, especially given video evidence there, not sure if he did get a ban.  Violent conduct is standard three games, I think newcastle will appeal anymore than that.

they're looking at 15 apparently and quite right they are.

From Sky news in 2007 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20082851264280

anchester City star Ousmane Dabo has reported team-mate Joey Barton to police after he allegedly attacked him during a training session.

The 30-year-old France international required hospital treatment for injuries to his eye, nose and lip following the incident earlier this week.

 
Ousmane Dabo's injuries
It is understood that Dabo has asked police to press charges against the player.

A spokeswoman for Greater Manchester Police confirmed that the incident had been reported to them.

She added: "Greater Manchester Police has received a report from a 30-year-old man that he was assaulted. Inquiries are ongoing."

The footballer has been suspended for the remainder of the season and will miss today's match against Manchester United.

It is expected that the troubled star will be sold during the summer transfer window after his manager Stuart Pearce ran out of patience with him.
 
He has be warned over his conduct in the past because of several violent incidents involving team-mates

So Dabo reported it to the police...and now Barton has been found guilty of it.

Considering what Dabo looked like after the attack and that Barton has been found guilty of causing the injuries I think we don't need video footage to see how bad it was.

[Rooky9]

Did it not happen with Hartson and Berkovic?

I hope the FA actually ensure he misses some games, and the more the better. For me this assault is worse than any the FA have dealt with previously so any ban should be a long one.

The British justice system should be embarrassed that he's out in time for pre-season, IMO he shouldn't be out this side of Christmas, maybe the FA can keep him off a football field until then.  

Hartson got fined - no football punishment and no criminal charges.

The British justice system has nothing to do with football. Most of my feeling is based on the fact people seem to think football has a duty to make a moral decision, which it is far less qualified to do than our law.

Prutton got a 10 game ban for pushing a ref
Di Canio got an 11 game ban for pushing a ref

In comparison i'd probably give him a 38 game ban for assault.

This wasn't an FA match official during a Premier league sanctioned game - i just don't think they have any jurisdiction over the incident. They can't just make up rules as they like.

If training ground incidents fall under violent conduct then where does the line get drawn? Should there be a match official looking for two footed tackles? That's violent conduct. Makelle near chopped A Cole in two just before the CL final - shouldn't he of had a 3 match ban for that if violent conduct counts there? they should have done him for disrepute and that would have been slightly more understandable. Like I say i just think the charges have nothing to do with football, have been dealt with in court of law and his only further punishment should be public ridicule in football stadiums.

[Josedinho]

It was violent conduct at a team under the jurisdiction of the FA. I'm guessing you don't think they have jurisdiction because they've never done it before but nobody has done what Joey has done so maybe the rules have been there all along but thankfully we've never needed them.
On where to draw the line i think this can be made quite simple.
Any incident where somebody is found guilty in a court of law is probably outside the day to day stuff that goes on at a club. Hence why he is only being charged now after being found guilty.

[Rooky9]

It was violent conduct at a team under the jurisdiction of the FA. I'm guessing you don't think they have jurisdiction because they've never done it before but nobody has done what Joey has done so maybe the rules have been there all along but thankfully we've never needed them.
On where to draw the line i think this can be made quite simple.
Any incident where somebody is found guilty in a court of law is probably outside the day to day stuff that goes on at a club. Hence why he is only being charged now after being found guilty.

i'm guessing its not in their juristiction because i) there is nothing in the laws of the game about it, which talk about the offence of violent conduct and ii) because incidents like this have and do happen at training grounds and haven't lead to the charge.

If your drawing the line based on conviction then its not an even playing field. All you need is to not have charges pressed. You can have exactly the same incident with two different outcomes.

He isn't being charged now that he has been found guilty. He was found guilty a month ago anyway. He is being charged now because they say they couldn't interview people because of the impending court case, the guilt is irrelevant - which means that if this is in their laws then you wouldn't need to have a conviction anyway - which again leads to whre is the line?!

It'll be interesting to see if he gets fit and chance to play whilst awaiting his personal hearing, should be in for a decent reception at Old Trafford! Not sure I'd fancy that, even at a quiet ground!

[Maxriddles]

Maybe the FA should change the charge to bringing the game into disrepute, surely then there could be no argument.

[Rooky9]

Maybe the FA should change the charge to bringing the game into disrepute, surely then there could be no argument.

Yeah, but I think there is probably something in their rules that means that is only punishable with a fine rather than games ;  which appears to be what people want. All a bit of point scoring for me.

[Rooky9]

Maybe the FA should change the charge to bringing the game into disrepute, surely then there could be no argument.

Yeah, but I think there is probably something in their rules that means that is only punishable with a fine rather than games ;  which appears to be what people want. All a bit of point scoring for me.

You can get games for disrepute - Roy Keane got five for admitting his assault on Alf-Inge Haland was premeditated. Makes it even more bizzare. I'd be suprised if he got any more than 6 on that basis.

[KarmaDope]

Maybe the FA should change the charge to bringing the game into disrepute, surely then there could be no argument.

Yeah, but I think there is probably something in their rules that means that is only punishable with a fine rather than games ;  which appears to be what people want. All a bit of point scoring for me.

You can get games for disrepute - Roy Keane got five for admitting his assault on Alf-Inge Haland was premeditated. Makes it even more bizzare. I'd be suprised if he got any more than 6 on that basis.

Cantona got a 9 month world ban for the same thing. He'll be lucky if he gets 15 games.

[MANTIS01]

Newcastle will be stronger next year with Joey Barton? This is something that is far from clear cut. While it is true that Newcastle United Plc are not obliged to make moral judgements the people associated with the club will find that unavoidable. Fans making a moral judgement will decide to stay away or support less vigourously and team mates making moral judgements will not unite as they could. Sponsors moral judgements will restrict business opps and a smeared rep will affect community relations in general. This all costs them.

No player is bigger than the club they play for and the plc is not bigger than the club either. The club is the people. The people are free to make moral judgements. And they don't want Barton because he is a violent numpty with a ridic new haircut.

[Josedinho]

It was violent conduct at a team under the jurisdiction of the FA. I'm guessing you don't think they have jurisdiction because they've never done it before but nobody has done what Joey has done so maybe the rules have been there all along but thankfully we've never needed them.
On where to draw the line i think this can be made quite simple.
Any incident where somebody is found guilty in a court of law is probably outside the day to day stuff that goes on at a club. Hence why he is only being charged now after being found guilty.

 ii) because incidents like this have and do happen at training grounds and haven't lead to the charge.

If your drawing the line based on conviction then its not an even playing field. All you need is to not have charges pressed. You can have exactly the same incident with two different outcomes.

If two players can get on after a training ground incident without pressing charges then it's day to day stuff and doesn't need punishing.
Without seeing the incident how can you say that stuff like this does and has happened? Are you straying from fact towards Newcastle bias?