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Title: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: 77dave on July 07, 2008, 05:58:29 AM Playing a live $2/$5 cash nl game with $1k in front of me.
i have straddled and i see a raise to $40 from the only guy on the table who has me covered. The sb calls with $250 behind. I have Qh Jh in the straddle and call the $30 more. 3 to the flop and i check dark. Flop comes Qd Jd 3h The raiser fires out for $100 into the $120 pot. The sb folds and action is on you what do you do next? Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: NoflopsHomer on July 07, 2008, 06:46:15 AM Shove and represent a draw. A lot of turns kill your action even if you just raise.
Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 07, 2008, 07:04:18 AM Shove and represent a draw. A lot of turns kill your action even if you just raise. Sounds good to me. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: FuglyBaz on July 07, 2008, 08:23:55 AM Shove and represent a draw. A lot of turns kill your action even if you just raise. Sounds good to me. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: TheChipPrince on July 07, 2008, 10:07:41 AM Shove and represent a draw. A lot of turns kill your action even if you just raise. Sounds good to me. Yep... Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: boldie on July 07, 2008, 10:21:54 AM Shove and represent a draw. A lot of turns kill your action even if you just raise. Sounds good to me. Yep... that sounds OK to me.... p.s. why check dark here? Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: AndrewT on July 07, 2008, 10:27:39 AM p.s. why check dark here? I think checking in the dark may be worth a thread in itself. I've often read stuff like 'most people who check in the dark do so without understanding when or why that may be the right thing to do' without ever reading when these right situations are or what checking in the dark is trying to achieve. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Royal Flush on July 07, 2008, 11:28:36 AM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB!
Obv just get it in Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: kinboshi on July 07, 2008, 01:55:57 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in I would consider anything 200xBB and up as 'deep' (just my definition I'm sure it's wrong). So if the stacks were at least that 'deep' - what would the correct play be here? Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: boldie on July 07, 2008, 01:57:32 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in I would consider anything 200xBB and up as 'deep' (just my definition I'm sure it's wrong). So if the stacks were at least that 'deep' - what would the correct play be here? If I am that deep I bet out. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: EvilPie on July 07, 2008, 01:58:32 PM Min raise gives him good odds to play for a draw so that's bad.
If he's got something good enough to call a 3 x raise he'll probably call the shove anyway. No good reason not to push it all in. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Royal Flush on July 07, 2008, 03:12:24 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in I would consider anything 200xBB and up as 'deep' (just my definition I'm sure it's wrong). So if the stacks were at least that 'deep' - what would the correct play be here? By straddling though the BB is now effectively $10 so 1k is only 100bb Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: kinboshi on July 07, 2008, 03:37:14 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in I would consider anything 200xBB and up as 'deep' (just my definition I'm sure it's wrong). So if the stacks were at least that 'deep' - what would the correct play be here? By straddling though the BB is now effectively $10 so 1k is only 100bb Yes - I'm saying if it was a different situation and the stacks were much bigger, or there wasn't a straddle. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Royal Flush on July 07, 2008, 03:48:19 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in I would consider anything 200xBB and up as 'deep' (just my definition I'm sure it's wrong). So if the stacks were at least that 'deep' - what would the correct play be here? By straddling though the BB is now effectively $10 so 1k is only 100bb Yes - I'm saying if it was a different situation and the stacks were much bigger, or there wasn't a straddle. Oh right silly me. I guess check call, hope for a brick to check jam? Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Nem on July 07, 2008, 03:58:31 PM Raise to 300 and if he pushes, meh.
Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: 77dave on July 07, 2008, 05:17:03 PM It seems everyone has pretty much the same response to get the lot in and see what he does.
I did over-raise and i made it $500 to play which s a virtual allin as there is no way im passing for the rest. He dwells for 20 secs then moves in. I assume everyone insta-calls. What hands are we putting him on? Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Colchester Kev on July 07, 2008, 05:20:45 PM It seems everyone has pretty much the same response to get the lot in and see what he does. I did over-raise and i made it $500 to play which s a virtual allin as there is no way im passing for the rest. He dwells for 20 secs then moves in. I assume everyone insta-calls. What hands are we putting him on? AA AK diamonds KK JJ That ends his range. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: 77dave on July 07, 2008, 06:26:17 PM Thats kinda where i put him Kev. I dismissed 9 T and KT
I also decided if he has JJ or QQ just swallow and pull up. Turn is 3d All the money is already in. How we feeling about our hand now Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 07, 2008, 06:27:01 PM Given that we have QJ I am ruling out QQ, JJ for the raiser.
I don't think 33 raises the straddle pre. Probably more inclinced to set mine. AA, KK, AQ, QJ?, Kd Td, Ad Td. The last 2 hands are purley in there due to texture of theflop and his shove I don't see him realistically see him playing those hands. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: GlasgowBandit on July 07, 2008, 06:28:48 PM Thats kinda where i put him Kev. I dismissed 9 T and KT I also decided if he has JJ or QQ just swallow and pull up. Turn is 3d All the money is already in. How we feeling about our hand now Re-load :( Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Hairydude on July 07, 2008, 06:38:07 PM That 3 is an ugly card you really dont wanna see- I put him on AA or KK or AKd and he's now got bigger 2 pair- the fact its a diamond also makes me cry in the off chance he's all in with a flush draw - I agree, I think its a reload
Unless of course you reoutraw a Q or J 8) Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Nem on July 07, 2008, 06:57:18 PM That is the worst card possible to fall on the turn.
So fucking rigged. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: 77dave on July 07, 2008, 07:26:10 PM So i guess we feel even worse when the Kd falls on the river.
Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Colchester Kev on July 07, 2008, 07:27:16 PM So i guess we feel even worse when the Kd falls on the river. Yes we sigh and say FK MY ENTIRE LIFE Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Nem on July 07, 2008, 07:35:50 PM I know where you are going wth this 77dave.
He has 99 GG Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Hairydude on July 07, 2008, 07:40:19 PM lol is this going to be 50p in the tin????? Did he have AQ with Ace of diamonds?? only other hand I could possibly put him on with him playing it so strongly
Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: 77dave on July 07, 2008, 07:58:23 PM I announce 2 pair and turn over my hand.
He announces i have that beat and shows Qc Ac Then says oh no your 2 pair is better. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: boldie on July 08, 2008, 08:44:16 AM lol is this going to be 50p in the tin????? Did he have AQ with Ace of diamonds?? only other hand I could possibly put him on with him playing it so strongly Damm he just posted the answer, but why would he have the Ace of diamonds? The money went in on a 2 diamond flop. Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: Hairydude on July 08, 2008, 05:50:50 PM lol is this going to be 50p in the tin????? Did he have AQ with Ace of diamonds?? only other hand I could possibly put him on with him playing it so strongly Damm he just posted the answer, but why would he have the Ace of diamonds? The money went in on a 2 diamond flop. Because I thought it was gonna be a bad beat- runner runner flush for Ad Qx- i.e. he's not chasing the flush but still gets there in the end Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: boldie on July 08, 2008, 06:19:00 PM lol is this going to be 50p in the tin????? Did he have AQ with Ace of diamonds?? only other hand I could possibly put him on with him playing it so strongly Damm he just posted the answer, but why would he have the Ace of diamonds? The money went in on a 2 diamond flop. Because I thought it was gonna be a bad beat- runner runner flush for Ad Qx- i.e. he's not chasing the flush but still gets there in the end lol..Ah, fair point...ussually you'd be right :) Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: snoopy1239 on July 17, 2008, 05:41:23 PM I don't think there 's anything wrong with how you played it (may tempt him to go with draw), nor a shove (may tempt him into thinking you have draw). Either way, good chance of him getting it with a fair amount of weaker hands. If he has the set, swallow it up as you said. Getting to the turn would be a mistake in my position, especially out of position.
Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: SnipeR on July 17, 2008, 05:43:26 PM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in Yep u playing Short, u HAVE to pile it in and grab a horseshoe...... Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: AlexMartin on July 18, 2008, 03:32:17 AM How is $1k deep when its 2-5-10? You are playing with less than 100BB! Obv just get it in Yep u playing Short, u HAVE to pile it in and Title: Re: Getting it all in when deep stacked Post by: LuckyLloyd on July 20, 2008, 01:46:37 AM There is not a whole lot wrong with villain's play in the hand either.
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