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I have always believed that anyone sitting down at a poker table is fair game. Until last night. Post-comp at Luton there was a 1/2 nlhe table consisting of the usual suspects plus a couple of unknowns. Late on a young lad sits down, with watching girlfriend, and pulls up £35. Within 30 seconds it is clear to everyone that not only is it his first time playing in a casino it is quite possibly the first time he has seen a pack of cards. He loses the £35, then another £20 then another £40, all in approx 4 minutes. it is excrutiating to watch. He stands up, has heated conversation with girlfriend, and asks one of the dealers what time the table closes.He is clearly off to reload. I expressed the opinion to one of the supersivors that he shouldn't be allowed to play as he was obviously incapable. I did notice on my way to the cash desk( shameless i cashed brag) that one of the dealers was in conversation with the young man before he could sit back down. Incidentally at the cash desk the young mans girlfriend was in tears, no surprise there. 

Opinions please.

Take his money before someone else does.

He is going to learn a hard lesson here, best for you to take advantage than someone else no?

Some people need to learn the hard way.

I do not think it is your responsibility to safeguard other people in a casino, that decision must rest with the Casino staff imo.

I think you can only do what you have done Compo and pointed out to the card room team and they have a word with him...but when alls said and done unfortunatly he can do whatever he likes with his money and its not up to you or your consience to police other peoples activities.

Im sure if you wandered round the G for 10 minutes you would find even worse evidence of people not knowing what they are doing and losing money they cannot afford..

I know its hard and ive seen some extreme cases of it with much larger sums involved......but we live in a harsh world where people do have to be responsible for their own actions....but good on you for not being the sort to take advantage and being a decent human being..i agree that money won in such circumstances leaves an after taste...but sadly many others wouldnt...

I don't want his money

I don't want to take advantage of his obvious inadequacy.

The hard way is not always the best, or most effective way,of learning.

I believe it is everyones social responsibility to care for others who are clearly in need of help

Just my opinion

I don't think you can do much more Dave, the guy shouldnt be playing a game he cannot play but in a casino there will be plenty if people playing games they know little about. Its the Cardroom manager and the guys decision as to whether he can play or not, if he is at your table then his chips are worth the same as everyone else's chips so I would try to win them.

I had a similar incident last week and I hope you dont mind if I stick it on here.

I sat at a cash table and the guy in seat ten was clearly drunk, his red drink was half split down his shirt and he was wobbling away in his chair, as it happens he was just buying into the game himself. The first hand we played was a multi way limp pot with him on the button and me to act 1 before him. I hold 6 9 off and the flop comes a rainbow King Ten rag, all checked to the drunk guy who bets the pot(about 12$). All fold round to me and before I can pass the guy turns his cards over showing Ace Queen and it is ruled that he can play his hand even tho he has revealed them..

What would you do next?

Fold. Seat ten is going to take any other action as a personal affront and will see a showdown come what may, whereas you've got 9 high.

There will be plently more opportunities.

You can sit down at Luton with under 20 big blinds?

I've found that a player who sits down with his girlfriend sat behind him watching will always be a bad player - they never seem to know what they're doing.

You should have taken his money and chatted up his girlfriend - 'I'm Compo, from the television, don't you know'. :)

+1

If his GF was in tears over him wasting the money you should tell her to leave his sorry arse.

I have been in a similar situation once in Holland in a poker game at the bookies (private game after hours) where I did take the guys money and, behind his back when he went to find more money, gave it back to his GF who was clearly upset at him gambling and looked a decent enough person...just told her to keep it for herself as she'll need it to buy new furniture when she moves out.

Before it makes me look too generous, it was a small amount.

I'm sorry, but my sympathy level would be quite low here, his money is worth the same as anyone elses...

It's never the guy I feel sorry for. People can burn their money for all I care. It's the GFs in this case.

but how far do you take this Dave? Do we walk around a casino like a Gamcare vigilante extolling the virtues of responsible gambling to tilting roulette punters?

In your day job, do you broadcast warnings about punting on the racing channels? Do you personally feel uncomfortable if the channels you work on don't?

Surely the social responsibility you are concerned about is best exercised by the concerned individual, here you, getting up from the table.
 

The casinos make a great deal of their profits from new customers who have no clue as to what they are doing.

They are more than happy to acommodate these people who manage their money poorly with no qualms or conscience.

I understand your discomfort and I don't think I would feel comfortable playing with someone like this either, but I do believe that poker, and gambling in general comes down to the survival of the fittest and harsh lessons are part of the poker education.

Surely a small price to pay for sharing a table with Dave Compton :D

I think drunk people are different, I'd not worry a bit about that, they'll just regret it in the morning and pass it off, but if the lads there with his missus in tears and clearly out of his depth, then it would worry me a bit too and I'd have spoke with the cardroom staff too. 

I don't think you could do more, except maybe have a word with him yourself off the table, but once he sits down again, you should carry on as usual.  If you told the card room supervisor and he's spoke with him, it's down to him.

people go to the racecourse everyday who have no idea on how to gamble or place a bet and loose all there cash, but this case is different, if he was alone its up to him and yes maybe a friendly word may make him come to his senses, but the fact his girlfriend is clearly very upset to me says she will feel financial hardship,in every place of gambling  they make people aware of responsible gambling , i dont think its right for a casino, betting shop or any place of gambling to allow a man to carryon gambling while his girlfriend/wife is clearly showing how much financial harm this will do to there life

But if him spending £100 in casino sends her to tears, theres a lot more wrong with the relationship than just this...

I keep reading peoples answer to get an argument the other way, not to be argumentative or to go against the grain, but morally I can see where you are coming from, and I suppose the only thing you can do is walk away from the game if you don't feel comfortable, the same as I would walk away from a cash game if I was not comfortable there..

Its a good question though, and the answers I see is what i would expect from most poker players, take the money and run, its not your fault, his money is as good as everyone else's money, ones that I also sort of agree with, but do we as poker players have some sort of responsibility?? Should someone not advise him that he should be playing at 50/£1 level with that buy in..

His lack of experience is of no significance to me, we all had to learn, and cash is a cruel games sometimes, but his choice of game/level maybe should have been pointed out to him, or as you did the cardroom staff and maybe point him the right direction.

It is indeed a dilemma. I remember my first visit to the old Luton cardroom. My first hand and my right leg is shaking uncontrollably.........please be aware I wasn't in a hand at this point...I was just shuffling. I was on the table with a Luton regular (well ex. I believe he was removed some time ago for skimming a pot alledgedly). Anyway this regular told me how badly I played each of he three hands I played but I did learn and now can play them far worse ......bless.

Personally I would have tried to talk to the guy quietly. Give him a couple of titles to read. Maybe Hold em excellence by Krieger. The girlfriend obviously does not have mateys respect so talking to her may be a waste of time other than suggesting she should leave him. If matey still will not listen......I am afraid you only have two choices. Leave or take his money if the chance arises........not an easy one if you care about people.

True so give her 50£ and tell her to leave his sorry arse :) (and I wonder why people used to want to beat me up when i was younger..lol..my mouth was WAY too big)

At the end of the day, this guy is a grown-up and can make his own decisions.

It's not up to us to decide how someone else chooses to spend their money.

He can spend his money how he wants. 

His girlfriend sounds like a pain in the backside imo.

He sounds like an idiot who wouldn't listen to any advice anyway - I'd say take his money and if you want to give advice to anybody give it to his girlfriend to dump him.

I posted about a similar situation at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/index.php?affiliate=blonde).  I'm playing on the .50/1 tables, so it's not big money anyway, and I'm very happy with the table.  I've more than doubled up, and there's lots more to win.  It's all friendly, and the banter's good, etc.  Some regulars, some faces I didn't know.

A player to my right decides to donate all his chips to me with TPTK, and leaves.  In his place an older gentlemen (65+) sits down and gets out £40 (the minimum buy-in).  After two hands it's clear he has no idea what he's doing (and no, it wasn't tikay).  He is trying to check after a raise and then sticking in some chips to call when he has no idea how much they're worth or how large the bet was.  He manages to win two pots in a row somehow.  So he now has £60+ and there's much mirth at the table.

The next hand I win the pot, and manage to take £30 from him and from someone else.  It's only a matter of time before someone takes the rest of his money.

Now I know the argument is that it's his money, and it's up to him what he does with it.  I doubt it was the last of his pension and I'm sure he wasn't going to go hungry if he lost it all.  But it also wasn't nice watching him fumble around like a startled rabbit in the headlights.  Maybe it was because of his age, and it's an old-fashioned respect thing, but I didn't want him at the table any more (maybe if he was a young lad I wouldn't have cared, I don't know).  The banter round the table had stopped.  It was obvious that everyone was uneasy now, and waiting for the inevitable to happen. 

I needed to go to the loo anyway, and took the opportunity to stretch my legs and say hello to two blonde veterans - Tikay and Chili who were on a DC table.

By the time I got back, the gentleman had gone.  He'd done his stack and left the building.  Thankfully he didn't bother reloading.  I must admit, I didn't feel guilty taking his money, but I just felt awkward and could sympathise with him - he'd obviously seen poker on telly or somewhere and fancied a game to learn the ropes.  He didn't really get either of those things - and I'm sure he didn't enjoy his time at the table.  He didn't even get to spend some time with a famous TV star like Compo.

After he'd gone, the table got back to how it was before, and everyone was visibly more relaxed.

Thanks all for your replies.  I too would take advantage of anyone drunk at the table (or more likely donk of my cash to them) but this was soooooooo different. he wasnt a bad player, he just didnt know how to play or what to do. I wish I had had the balls to talk to him but I suppose I was afraid of the reaction of everyone else at the table, coward that I am.

For all you that would take his money without a second thought  remember .........you can shear a sheep many times. You can only kill it once

If I am playing cash I want to take money off people who have more money than sense, regular losers who have good jobs and don't mind giving me a share. However, I would never want to be part of someone making themselves destitute, sure they can always go to the bookies or lose their money on the slots, but I don't want to be a part of it.

In this example you don't know enough to make the assumption that he can't afford to lose his money, but the action you took cost you nothing and was the action of a considerate human being.

Casinos also have to look after their customers, a regular loser may drop £100 every weekend, but if they go on tilt and try to win all their money back they could drop far more than they could afford to lose and never be seen in the casino again, the casino then loses their steady profit.

You can't make peoples minds up for them, but you can offer genuine advice and then its up to them to take it or not.

sounds about right.  It seems to me that he's got to learn the hard way - if he won't listen to his girlfriend it's unlikely that he's going to listen to anyone else.  There are undoubtedly many more such players logging in to online poker sites from the comfort of their own homes night after night donating left right and centre - maybe seeing it 'in the flesh' pricks at the conscience a bit.  At the end of the day, every penny won in poker has come from someone else's pocket.

if you were playing online and there was someone playing who clearly didnt have a clue what they were doing would you still sit there and take their money? if the answer is yes then surely the same should apply to a live game.

People also download music illegally online, but wouldn't even consider stealing a CD from a shop.

Posted by: Compo

Man, this isn't any sort of dilemma. There are people starving to death all over the world. If this is how you feel then take his money and give it to them. A much needed dose of reality for a guy who lives a luxury life in the UK should not be seen as a worthy charity case.

OOO thats a good reply. . .

I take it you joined the "I'm assuming" club?

The old saying is 'You pay to learn' and its his money to what he wants with! I wouldnt feel guilty about taking anybodys money because they certainly wouldnt care if they took mine! Its clear to see that his GF doesnt like him playing and i would find it hard to play with somebody watching over me and was scared if i lost money i couldnt afford to lose! If he couldnt afford to lose it then thats his own fault!

What did the others have to say about you scaring the fish away from the tank??

Not quite the same though

FFS Compo, I told you to keep quiet about it.

And Ling wasn't crying at the cash desk, she had something in her eye.

They are analogous though.  Many people have no qualms about taking stuff online as they feel as though it is 'victimless' or at least they can't see the victims.  Taking something from someone physically is often viewed differently.

rotflmfao

she was in tears because he took his degenorate ass to the casino, instead of taking her to the cinema. Id be crying to if i had to spend a night in the G-casino luton.

If this player who didnt no what he was doing managed to somehow win a few pots and take all ur money what would have thoughts been then? I dont think he would have felt guilty about taking your money.

he's an idiot because he lost money as a novice player? you gotta pay to learn in this game mate. Or were you born a winner?

This isn't a moral dilemma, it is just a personal choice about why you play poker i.e. not entirely for money.  

When I played as a amateur I would regularly play high stakes online, because I liked the challenge and losing within reason wasn't crucial.  I now attempt to make a living from the game, so it is rediculous to play when I don't think I have an edge.  The character in the OP is just another player that can be beaten, the only difference between him and someone not as bad, but still bad, is the time it will take them to lose.  Also I'm not sure that it is really your right to have the player removed.  If you felt unhappy about playing. then you should have left the game.

Poker by its nature is a predatory game though - you make money by picking on the weaker players no?  You don't want to have to wade through a table of Doyle Brunsons every evening.  As long as he wasn't so p*ssed that he didn't even know he was in a casino, he's really the kind of person you want at your table isn't he?  He may have been absolutely loaded anyway and just been buying in for small amounts cause he had no idea what he should be buying in for. 

Its also possible his girlfriend was crying cause, well, she's a woman.  They cry for all sorts of reasons, I read it in Cosmo.  She might have had sore feet from new boots, been watching Bambi earlier in the night and had a delayed reaction, had some awful cheap contacts in....many many reasons - but anyways, you did more than most by asking someone to have a word with him - once said word has been had and he chooses to continue playing, he needs relieving of his money.  Who was it who said never give a sucker an even break?  That wasn't in Cosmo, it was on Rounders though.

Morals and poker never the twain shall meet.  Or something.

Dave, I think I would do the same thing as you did.

Online though, they can play at the smallest limits without any financial risk. if they chose to donk off at $2/$4 online I wouldnt feel as bad because it's their problem. I would still feel uncomfortable though.

Its what somebody else said earlier, its harder to take something off people in the flesh.

Maybe he'd promised her an diamond ring!

Morals.....huuummmm..... tuff one this, but I'm of the opinion that he has a responsibility to himself & his lass, if he chooses to 'gamble' which is what he is clearly doing here then that is his choice.....he could have just as easily walked up to the roulette table & put the cash on Red & it drops in Black. He fancied his gamble on the poker table!

If he'd been on his own would you feel differently?

The whole thing smells of a lad who was in need of 'paying the rent' and thought he could do it the quick way...only he didn't.  It's a tough one.  I might have even pulled him aside and had a quiet word, but at the very least, it was absolutely right to point it out to management.  It's all fine and well to say he's just another fish at the table, but he's playing at a level he doesn't belong in and obviously doesn't have the means to afford a loss.  Maybe I'm just another softy, but I couldn't sit at a table with someone like that.  Drunks...yes.  A hard luck tale trying to recover...not a hope.  Read a poem last night that Red had posted about looking in the mirror.  I wouldn't be impressed with what I saw if I took the lad for his last penny.  And that's why I'll never be rich.   rotflmfao 

I dont see the dilemma. Id go and have a chat with the guy, obv away from the table and say if he sits back down he will lose the lot as he is quite obviously new to the game and lacking in ability. Id tell him to go play smaller stakes tournaments live and low-stakes online cash and read up before playing live cash. Only because the kid obviously has no money which is why his gf is crying. If it was a random 40yo with a huge wad of fifties, a jag outside and a smiling face i wouldnt be so kind.

also, how does he sit down in a £50 min buyin game with so little?

It was a £25-100 game at outset I believe.

LOLz

+1

rotflmfao

But I like a nice bit of mutton, not too keen on cardigans  :D

fyp

Hit on the gf if she's fit.

At least you'd be looking at yourself in a slightly more expensive mirror.

Do him for his last penny, donate the money you lift from the mug to oxfam

I don't get all this have a quiet word stuff. It's a free country and the kid can do whatever he wants. Who are we to morally judge what constitutes too much money to lose for him or anyone else. If I was going to say anything to him I would ask him why he's treating his missus like a 2nd class citizen. The nanny state is infecting us all. God help us.

I play poker to relax not to police my oppos spending habits. If it was a good friend I would have this quiet word like some suggest. But not some complete random. I will tell you now, if you spoke to this chap about his gambling habits he would tell you to fuck off. He would not only have a point but he would carry on regardless.

There are some major problems in this world, but man spending tenner in casino just isn't one of them.

he's a bad ass, women like bad asses yo. i see loads of young birds in situations like this every weekend. Young birds are just bad decision makers, and like our hero must pay to learn. Be it money or emotions.

No one knows the real story, there might have been some history with this chap and his gf.

Most of the time its not worth the hassles to get involved. He was going to lose his money if you or someone else took it off him or not. Maybe its the poker players mentality to prey on people like this to make a quick profit, sounds a bit seedy tbh. I would have kept my head down and just played.

I would give up myseat to the bloke, then take his gf to the bar and offer her a lift home.

Dave, it doesn't matter who he is, he is still a favourite over your 2s 3c  ;)

Would it be different if he was there alone and didn't have his GF crying at the table?

Personally I believe its a simple question of whether you are playing poker as a recreation or as a pro, in Compo's case I'm sure he earns a decent salary and plays poker not as seriously as a Pro who needs to win every month to pay his mortgage etc. Thats not to say Compo doesn't play to win but like most recreational players, which probably numbers about 95% of the poker playing public, he plays for various reasons including entertainment and can afford to lose what he sits at the table with. Obviously even fish like Compo do have the occassional wins that help balance the books. I personally don't play poker to win at all costs, although I obviously prefer winning to losing, and would either have got up from the table or like Compo did would have had a quiet word with a member of the staff there.

As a grown man i'm crying reading this!

you of course meant: "I expressed the opinion to one of the supervisors that the opening hours of the casino should be extended to whatever time the young lad wanted and that he should be given a bar tab as quickly as possible"

I dont even know where to start with everyone else that had said, yeah quiet word, etc, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

how many times have you played against the biggest donkey you ever thought you'd played against online, making $100 bluffs into $16 pots etc, and sat out? e-mailed the site to question the guys competency? refused to take his money? seriously leave it out!!!

as for the business with his bird whats that got to do with anyone else? just because theyre having a ruck in public doesn't mean you have to look, its nothing to do with you.

I had a similar situation as Kinfishi at DTD once. 1/2 NL cash and there was an old guy who was clearly unsure of what he was doing and looked like he could use some help.

He'd sat down with 100 quid and looked out of his depth tbh.

Anyway I now have his £100 and will enjoy spending it on my holiday :)up

you're a hard man, Bolt.

Some very interesting comments. To clarify...i spoke to the cardroom before I saw the crying girlfriend, who had moved from his side to the cash desk,  so this factor didn't affect my train of thought.

And it wasn't that he was pissed or a bad player .....he just could'nt , and didn't know how, to play. If any-one took pleasure in taking that money then they need to take a good long look at themselves...in Laxies expensive mirror.

I am not preaching. I am not being holier than thou. I like to win at poker as much as anyone else. But for me the money is a way of keeping score, it thankfully  is not the be all and end all. For those who play to win at all costs...if your'e that desperate for £100 or so you should find another way to make money gambling.


I can't counter the internet argument and I don't really need to. I am not the Poker police, and don't wan't to be. It was THIS situation at THIS time. No more and no less.

Why?

Hard but fair......

Sounds to me like the guy was just a gambler. He's not playing poker, he's just gambling. He's not out of his depth because he isn't trying to compete at any kind of intelligent level anyway.

He's probably lost a load at roulette and thought he'd try a spin at poker.

3 spins later and he's done his money.

I'd much rather take his money quick than have him suck out on me later when he's built up a bit of a roll by winning a few lucky hands.

I can guarantee 100% that this idiot would feel no sympathy whatsoever for you if he'd happened to hit with his 7 9 off against your aces all in.

In fact he'd probably have slow rolled it to try to impress his girlfriend and make himself look clever.

If you really feel bad then get up and leave or sit out until he's finished. Forget moral dilemmas when you're playing poker. They won't have the same feelings towards you.

Like a couple of others have said if you feel that money won off him is in some way tainted then just donate it to a good cause. There's plenty worse off than him.

so in effect anyone that would take this guys money without saying anything is "desperate" and wants to "win at all costs"? this of course is not true, it is so far from the idea of "winning at all costs" it's not at all applicable in this situation.

winning at all costs would be cheating, in whatever form that was, marked cards, collusion, etc. winning at all costs would be for me to wait for the guy outside the casino and take all my money back along with his money and his phone and i-pod.

there are so many more examples of a "desperate' person who wants to "win at all costs" and the example you have given simply isnt one of them(isnt even close to be one of them)

I make a living playing poker, playing people who are worse, less experienced than me, the recreational gambler, the uninformed etc, this guy is one of them, he's a grown man capable of making his own decisions and is quite arrogant to intercede on his behalf as it supposes he isnt.

the internet analogy was pertinent as im wondering where the people who thought the way in which you behaved was correct chose to draw the line.

The problem with having any sympathy for this guy is that it's not genuine. You may think it is but it's not.

Say you do go and put your arm around his shoulder and pass on a few pearls of wisdom. He will react negatively for sure. He's just done his dough in seconds, his missus is crying and now he's got someone he doesn't know from Adam sticking his nose in. Advice is rarely welcomed if it isn't asked for.

So say the guy gets in your face and tells you to go fuck yourself. All of a sudden you lose your compassion for him. Now you think he's an arrogant prick. Now you want to bust him real bad. So where's all this concern gone?? It's the same guy in the same situation but now you couldn't care less because he said three simple words to you.

10 years of Labour government have damaged this country. The nanny state has really infiltrated our thought process. Look, you must appreciate that you are responsible for you. And that's the way it should be. If you are fat it is because you have eaten too many cakes and it's nobodys fault but your own. We all have choices and we all learn our lessons.

Who hasn't overspent at the casino?

If you feel obliged to say anything to this kid then you should approach every smoker in the street and encourage them to stop. They're killing themselves you know.

Because some things are above pure profit. If you cannot see or accept that then I feel sorry for you.

I did

This is totally irrelevant of course.  The issue that Compo raises has been around as long as poker has been.  There are two ways to view poker, either as entertainment or a source of money.  If you fall in to the first category you can of course choose whether a game is entertaining or not and if you don't like playing against idiots then you can leave the game (imo you have no right to have the idiot removed from the game).  If poker is a source of money to you, then it is clearly absurd to do anything that makes winning less likely.

Nonononononono..Mantis is right, as always, Tony Blair is to blame for this.

Posted by: doubleup

Well it's totally relevant of course my friend. It's not about the money. It's about someone deciding what someone else should or shouldn't be doing.

Compo says...

And that is not a judgement for Compo to make. The guy can decide for himself how capable he is of spending his own money in any way he sees fit. To try and stop him playing for his own good is nanny state plain and simple.

Posted by: boldie

FYP Boldie

Yes some things are - like selling arms to oppressive regimes - and indeed gambling as a whole is probably quite marginal (are losers sufficiently entertained?), but when the rules of the game are accepted by all participants, there is nothing to do but play and if you don't like the opponents then you are free to leave.  It really isn't your place to select who can and can't play in a public casino.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao mantis taking it to a different level

Please don't quote me selectively - you blamed the Labour Government for causing Compo's qualms.  I said more or less that Compo's dilemma has been around as long as poker has been played which ldo predates Labour.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that if Margaret Thatcher was in No10, Compo would have the same issue.

Maybe what Compo experienced is akin to a meat eater seeing a pig being slaughtered. Compo likes to think any money he wins is nice and clean, all happily gambled by people who know what they're doing, and can easily withstand the loss with no financial hardship.

Faced with the reality (some people maybe shouldn't gamble for their own good) he can't take it, and has to assuage his guilt somehow, like the meat eater who decides to have a green salad for a couple of days after watching Hugh Fearnley Wittingstall on the TV.

like fuck, i'd be straight down to burger king

And why would that be......as regards casino card rooms...environment and regulars it is a fine place to be

Posted by: doubleup

I don't know what that means. You said "This is totally irrelevant of course" and I quoted it. I would ask you to appreciate the fact I am incapable of understanding your point and offer my situation some compassion.

Posted by: AndrewT

It's likely to harbour traces of cocaine.

Cocaine FTW!

cocaine is an illegal substance, if you are suggesting you partake in the consumption of illegal narcotics you should stop as it is bad for you

furthermore it is a criminal offence to be in possesion of class A drugs and if you know of any person that is you should report them to the authorities

I thought cocaine was an appetite suppressant?

fyp

this is basically what I was trying to say, but Andrew put it so much better!

Posted by: Royal Flush

Too much makes you ultra laggy though. So we all need to draw our own boundaries in life to stay on the right road. But these are personal decisions, and not ones for others to make on our behalf for our own good.

Does that mean i should report you to Tikay?

i have recently started playing in the DC cash games in the international and every now and then newbies ask to sit

we let them now its DC and not NHLE and some sit others dont

of those that sit 90% of them are just NLHE players (if that) and donate to table and move on

we warned them before they sit down and advise them its best not sitting if they dont understand the games

MY MORAL DILEMMA came the other day when after the DC game had finish i saw a couple of friends in a NLHE game

they arent casino regulars and it was the girls birthday so i went to sit with them

it was a max of £30 to sit and there was only one blind so it was a bit of fun to pass some time

after about 15 minutes a regular at casino came over tap the guy dealing (another regular with a nipping problem) on shoulder

asked to see him outside

i knew exactly why and when he said he was dealing and the guy had to wait, i took over dealing duty which is a novelty

and told him to sort it out. after a few minutes they came back towards the table arguing and i over heard "you have 30 minutes"

and "in XXXXXs you would be shot for less"

now i know the guy who owes the money hasnt got hte money on him and he isnt likely to get it at that table

so do i leave the table asking the other players if they want to join me in a game or just leave or stay

the card room doesnt charge for self dealt cash games so we could just set up our own table and not invite him

there are currently 3 more page on this thread that I haven't read. might not bother now as it can't get any better. nh gg wp warbwastard

An interesting thread this one.

The nature of poker dictates that we are taking other peoples' money. In fact life in general is like that. Everything we do in a capitalist western society is geared towards having a bigger slice of the pie than the next guy.

So we need to let everyone make their own choices. People are responsible for their own actions, it really is as simple as that. Thankfully we live in a free world. Many don't.

People choose to smoke, to drink alcohol, to gamble, to do drugs. It's not necessarily right or wrong, but it is a choice we all have.

The only solution to this dilemma was to get up and leave the table for a while. As someone pointed out, butting in and having a word with the guy would have been fairly pointless and probably counter productive.

Oh, and as an aside, why is it ok to prey on drunk poker players but not skint incompetents? I can't see the distinction.

If you can afford to get plastered then you have too much money and should be relieved of some.

Ban flushy for bringing into question my character pls

If it's only "£100 or so"...what's the problem with this bloke losing a £100? 

Dave, I can understand where you were coming from in your OP - even though I would gladly take his money - he would gladly take yours!!

BUT

Your comment above makes no sense, it is a £25-£100 game so making a full buyin IS a big deal - if it isnt, then maybe you shouldnt of been playing in it?

Hopefully you will take my comments as just that , comments and not a slur on your character.

Ahhhh, was wondering how James has lost so much weight - it is all clear now!  ;angel;

lol

I also fail to see the difference in playing someone in a cash game who you are better than - do you still feel bad at taking his money?

If not, why is there a difference?

Offer him some friendly advice and imagine your surprise as he glasses you

there isnt one!!!!

If there was anything approaching a decision to be made in this situation(there really isnt) then it's a no brainer, take his dough and keep schtoom!!!

I dont get this thread at all, which clearly makes me a desperate and terrible person, looking to pay the bills playing poker for a living and then willingly taking money from a player of lesser ability, im such a ****, should be shot obv.

lol ,DONT be surprised you mean?

If im out with my missus, doing my dough and having a domestic pls dont be the guy that comes and tries to interfere in my business telling me i shouldn't be doing this or that, i would tell you to fuck right off, so would my missus (ex missus anyway, one in particular , lol she was off key, she wouldnt have started crying or anything if i was donking off $$$$ of the holiday money, she wouldve hit me over the head with a glass).

To take this conversation is a slightly different direction, if you thought that a players account had been hacked and some scumbag was sitting down at a $5/$10 table playing so badly that they are basically giving money away would you sit down and take your share?

yes please. it's probably only Mayhew anyway sat on someones a/c

Yes and withdraw it VERY quickly!! lol

of course, the only reason i wouldnt is because i wouldnt want to be seen by the site(especially stars) as one of the main recipiants and have my account suspended whilst they investigate etc, i probably still would but that would be a concern, not a crypto site though, they dont seem to give a shit about anything from what i understand and have experianced, mutiple accounts etc, but then most of them have poor customer service.

what if it was a £100 tournament,would the same principles apply?

FWIW, I would want to treat the guy as any other person at the table but may feel bad and take a walk around the block to avoid the moral conflict.

However this is from a person who is supposed to have his heart and morals surgically removed on qualifying.

i agree players on his table are just asking for trouble trying to reason with him,compo has said the casino did a have few words with him so i suppose the casino has acted responsible,
it would be interesting to hear the gambling commissions view on this,should a casino or anyplace of gambling allow a person to continue to gamble while only yards away his wife/girlfriend who has pleaded with him to stop is now clearly distressed by his gambling problem

of course not

if his missus isnt gambling she should be kicked out

Posted by: bolt pp

Genius. Tempted to buy you a t-shirt myself.

And this is the reality of applying your standards, ethics or whatever to somebody else's life. He might get a buzz from being out of his depth. He might believe jumping into the deep end is the best way to learn. He might not care as much as you about losing money. He might be having fun. But what we know for sure is he wants to play poker and he has $$. So why piss on his bonfire because in your own opinion he doesn't have the game to bring it? Yep, I can really see this guy going ape when he gets back with his re-load only to be told he can't get back in the game. His missus could get a slap later because he's so wound up. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

If he wants to play....I say let him play!!!