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Title: Second day - a little better
Post by: Peter Costa on July 10, 2008, 05:18:11 PM

With a stack of 6,450 playing 250-500 and 50 ante, I obviously needed a big hand quickly. I got my wish as the second hand brought me a sweet-looking KK utg. Thought of the all-in, but action was preferred. Making it 1700 to play, only the bb obliges. The ace on the flop is a sick sight, even after he checks. I check to see what develops on the turn. I find it very difficult not to call his bet of 1500. He of course  sets me all-in for my remaining 3K after the rive- I find it difficult to call. He said he was surprised that I didn’t say “fck it” and push on the flop or call on the river. I said that I did say fck it, but fck it - I will wait. We both smile. Nice kid this Darren. If I ever wanted to adopt a son, he would be the one.

Both the blinds are unplayable and I find myself with 2,075 on the button and looking at the big stack of Gus Hansen raising again. His bet of 1375 is called in three spots before me. I find the value I want with my K-Jos. The BB joins the party and I wait for my destiny to flop. Three spades with a Q-T gives me a K- high flush draw and open ended straight draw.

Gus of course does his continuation bet and gets just one caller before I call with my remaining 800. The flush comes came and I went to a massive 10K+. Rich again.

Gus, with over 170K, was playing a lot of hands but it was going wrong for him. But when you stick it in from behind so many times, someone was going to get Gusted. A-9 does just that to Gus’s A-8. Unlucky man, but it was bound to happen.

Meanwhile, I have slowly built to 19K . I felt so well stacked that I couldn’t resist raising Gus’s BB with 9-7hearts. Of course he defended as expected. But I loved the 9-8-6 flop. But caution still ruled and I give Gus a free card. The Ten on the turn fills my straight and I bet 1K after Gus checked. Hold on, what’s this, a re-raise from Gus to 3K? With two bigger straights out there, I can do nothing but call his raise and then his bet on the river. One pair he declares. Up to 32K and sailing.

Thanks to Gus, we all move to the feature table and stay there for the next six hours. Not sure what hands they will show, but there was a few good ones. In the end, my small-bet poker and lack of any major hands or confrontations ensured that I was not in any danger. However, with only a stack of 58,200 and about half the average - that will no doubt change today. As Morgan Freeman said in Shawshank Redemption - “get busy livin or busy dyin”.

The outcome determines if another post is forthcoming!

Good luck to all the Brits


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: littlemissC on July 10, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
good luck on day 3 hun xxxx


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Colchester Kev on July 10, 2008, 05:26:31 PM
Good stuff Peter ... looking forward to more !!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: booder on July 10, 2008, 05:39:04 PM
Good stuff Peter ... looking forward to more !!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Simon Galloway on July 10, 2008, 05:58:03 PM
You are far more dangerous with 58k than the average player with 120k.  Crack on!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Snatiramas on July 10, 2008, 06:04:27 PM
Keep it coming Peter


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: vegaslover on July 10, 2008, 07:08:45 PM
Nice going Peter.
You had a lot less than half the average at the start of day 2 but that didn't stop you building.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Chili on July 10, 2008, 07:13:55 PM
Well done Pete, wish I had your patience glglgl xx


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Tonji on July 10, 2008, 07:59:08 PM
 ;goodluck; ;hattip;


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Graham C on July 10, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
GL Pete, enjoy day 3 :)


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: George2Loose on July 10, 2008, 08:28:54 PM
I'm sure they moved the table to the feature table cos you.....!

Gus who??


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: boldie on July 10, 2008, 08:48:19 PM
Well done Pete, wish I had your patience glglgl xx

+1


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 08:48:31 PM
Gl and hope you go deep, BUT..

Dont like the hand you described though, calling 1375 of your 2075 stack pre, what an earth you do if it comes A 7 2, and uve got like 70% of your stack in leaving yourself with 700-800 whatever it is and blinds 250/500 (im going to get slated for this, but its what i think, sorry)

glgl anyways, gogogoogo. Keep it up.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: maldini32 on July 10, 2008, 08:52:22 PM
Gl and hope you go deep, BUT..

Dont like the hand you described though, calling 1375 of your 2075 stack pre, what an earth you do if it comes A 7 2, and uve got like 70% of your stack in leaving yourself with 700-800 whatever it is and blinds 250/500 (im going to get slated for this, but its what i think, sorry)

glgl anyways, gogogoogo. Keep it up.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: boldie on July 10, 2008, 09:00:51 PM
Gl and hope you go deep, BUT..

Dont like the hand you described though, calling 1375 of your 2075 stack pre, what an earth you do if it comes A 7 2, and uve got like 70% of your stack in leaving yourself with 700-800 whatever it is and blinds 250/500 (im going to get slated for this, but its what i think, sorry)

glgl anyways, gogogoogo. Keep it up.

It's the straight hand flat call against Hansen that makes me think (OHNO) but what can you do?


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 09:02:58 PM
Gl and hope you go deep, BUT..

Dont like the hand you described though, calling 1375 of your 2075 stack pre, what an earth you do if it comes A 7 2, and uve got like 70% of your stack in leaving yourself with 700-800 whatever it is and blinds 250/500 (im going to get slated for this, but its what i think, sorry)

glgl anyways, gogogoogo. Keep it up.

He'll pass as it's a multi way pot and he'd need alot of help as ace is probably about. He then has a full round to put his remaining chips in, it's the Hellmuth way and I think probably right. He is in bad shape at this point anywany and noone passes if he moves in, whether it be before the flop or after. Why not give yourself another option? I am always short stacked and like this option. I am also rubbish though!


GL Peter!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
R u srs?  ;frustrated;

Hellmuth way is small ball, but i think 1.5 BB's is taking it a bit too far.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 09:20:53 PM
I am serious, i kind of side with Peter on this one. Hellmuth would just call in that spot every day of the week... Please don't use txt spk i had to search on the Internet to find out what you were saying.

What advantage does he get by moving allin? Not getting bluffed? Personally i'd like to see the action no matter what the flop to decide whether the hand was good... He can definately pass on the flop if he thinks its right.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 09:26:02 PM
I am serious, i kind of side with Peter on this one. Hellmuth would just call in that spot every day of the week... Please don't use txt spk i had to search on the Internet to find out what you were saying.

What advantage does he get by moving allin? Not getting bluffed? Personally i'd like to see the action no matter what the flop to decide whether the hand was good... He can definately pass on the flop if he thinks its right.

I GUARANTEE Hellmuth does NOT just flat pre.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 09:27:43 PM
I am serious, i kind of side with Peter on this one. Hellmuth would just call in that spot every day of the week... Please don't use txt spk i had to search on the Internet to find out what you were saying.

What advantage does he get by moving allin? Not getting bluffed? Personally i'd like to see the action no matter what the flop to decide whether the hand was good... He can definately pass on the flop if he thinks its right.

I GUARENTEE Hellmuth does NOT just flat pre.

Excellent and eloquent way of making your point... How do you guarantee it to me?


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Wardonkey on July 10, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
[ ] ChipRich uses spell check.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 09:31:30 PM
Maybe Peter was just getting it in on any flop, so fair enough.

But you came on saying you would fold on a bad flop, thats just ridic and the worst thing you could do.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
Flop comes AA2 it goes bet raise reraise allin and still you call??? GG WP NH GL...


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 09:35:53 PM
Flop comes AA2 it goes bet raise reraise allin and still you call??? GG WP NH GL...

And calling 70%ish of your stack pre is 'WP GG NH GL'

Good 1 :)up

[  ] u iz a winnnnnnnnnar


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: GreekStein on July 10, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
i want you to run deep to the final cos i love these snippets!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 09:46:26 PM
Flop comes AA2 it goes bet raise reraise allin and still you call??? GG WP NH GL...

And calling 70%ish of your stack pre is 'WP GG NH GL'

Good 1 :)up

[  ] u iz a winnnnnnnnnar

I suppose we agree to disagree, it's the beauty of poker so many ways for people to decide how to play hands. I can always talk myself into a pass, it's why i'm so easy to bluff.

I guess i just don't think that pushing in pre give you any advantage and having the choice to fold and still be in the tournament does.

(input whitty [ ] response here if i had one)


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 10, 2008, 09:49:19 PM
Folding pre is best here imo.

But i really dont think you can fold on the flop once you hav put around 70% of your stack in pre and are left with 1.5ish BB's.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: maldini32 on July 10, 2008, 09:52:15 PM
Flop comes AA2 it goes bet raise reraise allin and still you call??? GG WP NH GL...

And calling 70%ish of your stack pre is 'WP GG NH GL'

Good 1 :)up

[  ] u iz a winnnnnnnnnar

I suppose we agree to disagree, it's the beauty of poker so many ways for people to decide how to play hands. I can always talk myself into a pass, it's why i'm so easy to bluff.

I guess i just don't think that pushing in pre give you any advantage and having the choice to fold and still be in the tournament does.

(input whitty [ ] response here if i had one)



I feel privileged! Ian posts on a thread!!! How are you m8?
I still dont like the way he played the hand...but like you im rubbish!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 10:00:56 PM
So we all agree on something i'm rubbish!

Excellent mate thanks, living in London now. Just got back from Palma Nova/Magaluf which was messy.

Like i said i'd rather have leave more options open to me when i'm that short stacked, its not as though i'm calling 70% of my 100k stack pre flop and then passing. At this point Peter knows he needs to get lucky and he can pass if he thinks that by using the rest of his chips in a later hand gives him a better shot of still being in. The problem is that peter is too short stacked at this stage to abide by "correct" poker play.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: maldini32 on July 10, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
So we all agree on something i'm rubbish!

Excellent mate thanks, living in London now. Just got back from Palma Nova/Magaluf which was messy.

Like i said i'd rather have leave more options open to me when i'm that short stacked, its not as though i'm calling 70% of my 100k stack pre flop and then passing. At this point Peter knows he needs to get lucky and he can pass if he thinks that by using the rest of his chips in a later hand gives him a better shot of still being in. The problem is that peter is too short stacked at this stage to abide by "correct" poker play.

I see where your coming from....but we shall agree to disagree. You not gonna pay Teesside a visit anytime soon? They've introduced ante's into the tournys! They're changing, never thought id see the day. Good to hear your doing well m8!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Gamblor21 on July 10, 2008, 10:08:16 PM
I'll pop in when i'm next back, i'll let you know. Still self dealt, that is why they will have agreed to antes lol.

Say hello to everyone.

Agree to disagree (but i'm right)...

GL Peter!


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: maldini32 on July 10, 2008, 10:14:27 PM
Im right. ;D

Btw this could go on for a while.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Peter Costa on July 11, 2008, 03:00:34 AM
Maybe Peter was just getting it in on any flop, so fair enough.

But you came on saying you would fold on a bad flop, thats just ridic and the worst thing you could do.

Hi Guys - didn't realize this caused such a stir.

BTW - just gone about 100 from the money. As for the play in question - I would take this option every time. As Gamblor said, I had a full round on the button if it came a real bad flop like A-2-2. Why? I won many events from little chips including my first big limit event in LA when I was down to 200 chips and the blinds at 300-600. I know it doesnt happen often, but it would'nt happpen at all if you don't give it a chance to. And as for moving all-in - its serves no purpose whatsoever. Ok, so I may have won 1600 more if I did push pre fllop. But that is small reward for limiting myrself to just one chance.

As to what Phil Hellmuth would have done - 100% he would have done the same.   



Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: AlexMartin on July 11, 2008, 03:17:04 AM
Chiprich delivers, you lot are all high or summat.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Royal Flush on July 11, 2008, 03:22:05 AM
All the hands posted and you choose the KJ to comment about.......


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: bobby1 on July 11, 2008, 08:31:07 AM
Maybe Peter was just getting it in on any flop, so fair enough.

But you came on saying you would fold on a bad flop, thats just ridic and the worst thing you could do.

Hi Guys - didn't realize this caused such a stir.

BTW - just gone about 100 from the money. As for the play in question - I would take this option every time. As Gamblor said, I had a full round on the button if it came a real bad flop like A-2-2. Why? I won many events from little chips including my first big limit event in LA when I was down to 200 chips and the blinds at 300-600. I know it doesnt happen often, but it would'nt happpen at all if you don't give it a chance to. And as for moving all-in - its serves no purpose whatsoever. Ok, so I may have won 1600 more if I did push pre fllop. But that is small reward for limiting myrself to just one chance.

As to what Phil (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) Hellmuth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) would have done - 100% he would have done the same.   



that kind of thinking is prob why the top class are top class and most of us arent. I would have just shoved em in thinking exactly like Rich did.

wp Pete, shame you fell a little short of the cash.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Ironside on July 11, 2008, 08:44:22 AM
ul pete


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 11, 2008, 09:01:18 AM
Quote from: [url=http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341
Peter[/url] Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) link=topic=35054.msg755090#msg755090 date=1215741634]
Maybe Peter was just getting it in on any flop, so fair enough.

But you came on saying you would fold on a bad flop, thats just ridic and the worst thing you could do.

Hi Guys - didn't realize this caused such a stir.

BTW - just gone about 100 from the money. As for the play in question - I would take this option every time. As Gamblor said, I had a full round on the button if it came a real bad flop like A-2-2. Why? I won many events from little chips including my first big limit event in LA when I was down to 200 chips and the blinds at 300-600. I know it doesnt happen often, but it would'nt happpen at all if you don't give it a chance to. And as for moving all-in - its serves no purpose whatsoever. Ok, so I may have won 1600 more if I did push pre fllop. But that is small reward for limiting myrself to just one chance.

As to what Phil (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) Hellmuth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) would have done - 100% he would have done the same.   



that kind of thinking is prob why the top class are top class and most of us arent. I would have just shoved em in thinking exactly like Rich did.

wp Pete, shame you fell a little short of the cash.

I wouldn't get them in there. And if i was flatting pre, id 100% be getting it in on any flop. Why would you want to be left with 1 bb? And why would you want the opportunity for that? Your losing out on so much in the long run like that.

gg and unlucky on not quite making the cash Peter.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Peter Costa on July 11, 2008, 09:17:06 AM
I wouldn't get them in there. And if i was flatting pre, id 100% be getting it in on any flop. Why would you want to be left with 1 bb? And why would you want the opportunity for that? Your losing out on so much in the long run like that.

gg and unlucky on not quite making the cash Peter.

[/quote]

Hey Rich

I get your poiint, but this was very much a unique situation in terms of having an option in the first place. Normally, when short-stacked like that, you tend to be all-in without much choice. In this case, I had a chocie. And I simply chose to give myslef another option IF the flop was really bad for my hand. Of course, any sort of draw would have seen them go in - but how would you feel if the flop came A-2-2 and you are in with no hope of winning? Also, there are countless stories I could tell you about other players winning a tournament with much less than 850 chips.

Cheers1



Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Colchester Kev on July 11, 2008, 09:39:30 AM
[ ] Peter Costa is a noob that needs poker tips from ChipRich
[ ] ChipRich has played all the big worldwide comps and makes a living from poker
[X] Peter Costa has forgotten more about poker than ChipRich will ever know
[X] Thread made me LOL


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 11, 2008, 09:50:20 AM
[ ] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) is a noob that needs poker tips from ChipRich
[ ] ChipRich has played all the big worldwide comps and makes a living from poker
[X] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) has forgotten more about poker than ChipRich will ever know
[X] Thread made me LOL

lol i no he doesn't need to take tips off me. It was my personal opinion, and probs plenty of others that havent commented on the thread. That is all.
I cant argue with results and hes obviously a top player, fair play. I was just giving my opinion. Didnt mean anything harsh by it and im sure Peter knows that.



P.s. How else do i make a living Kev? lol.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Colchester Kev on July 11, 2008, 09:55:45 AM
[ ] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) is a noob that needs poker tips from ChipRich
[ ] ChipRich has played all the big worldwide comps and makes a living from poker
[X] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) has forgotten more about poker than ChipRich will ever know
[X] Thread made me LOL

lol i no he doesn't need to take tips off me. It was my personal opinion, and probs plenty of others that havent commented on the thread. That is all.
I cant argue with results and hes obviously a top player, fair play. I was just giving my opinion. Didnt mean anything harsh by it and im sure Peter knows that.



P.s. How else do i make a living Kev? lol.

Sign on son, although you wouldnt know what to do with all the extra money if you did ;)


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ChipRich on July 11, 2008, 09:58:16 AM
lol
[  ] il just do that


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on July 11, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
[ X ] Chiprich tilts me


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: ifm on July 11, 2008, 10:20:06 AM
[ ] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) is a noob that needs poker tips from ChipRich
[ ] ChipRich has played all the big worldwide comps and makes a living from poker
[X] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) has forgotten more about poker than ChipRich will ever know
[X] Thread made me LOL

lol i no he doesn't need to take tips off me. It was my personal opinion, and probs plenty of others that havent commented on the thread. That is all.
I cant argue with results and hes obviously a top player, fair play. I was just giving my opinion. Didnt mean anything harsh by it and im sure Peter knows that.



P.s. How else do i make a living Kev? lol.

Sign on son, although you wouldnt know what to do with all the extra money if you did ;)

A one liner Steven Wright would be proud of!
:D


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: boldie on July 11, 2008, 01:20:40 PM
[ ] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) is a noob that needs poker tips from ChipRich
[ ] ChipRich has played all the big worldwide comps and makes a living from poker
[X] Peter (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) Costa (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=341) has forgotten more about poker than ChipRich will ever know
[X] Thread made me LOL

lol i no he doesn't need to take tips off me. It was my personal opinion, and probs plenty of others that havent commented on the thread. That is all.
I cant argue with results and hes obviously a top player, fair play. I was just giving my opinion. Didnt mean anything harsh by it and im sure Peter knows that.



P.s. How else do i make a living Kev? lol.

Sign on son, although you wouldnt know what to do with all the extra money if you did ;)

A one liner Steven Wright would be proud of!
:D

indeed...top class effort Kev.


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Royal Flush on July 11, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
Players i would stake:

[X] Chip Rich
[  ] Peter Costa


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: boldie on July 11, 2008, 02:18:48 PM
What do people think of the flatcall with the straight in the hand against Hansen?


Title: Re: Second day - a little better
Post by: Royal Flush on July 11, 2008, 02:43:45 PM
What do people think of the flatcall with the straight in the hand against Hansen?

'World Class'