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In any cash game 100 bb deep.

As it tends to go there are always people that pull up short and go in to push bot mode, you look down to See  Qc Kc  we raise for 5 x bb and short stack mug pushes for 20 bb.

We know he is on a small pair, we are almost positive we have overcards here.

do we call or wait for a better spot.

whats your general take and why

I love being the shortstack in these situations....it's a no lose situation really.

I call here if I'm the big stack BTW

Explain please boldie

 you're calling 15BB to win 25. if you're sure it's a flip then you take it 100% of the time.

You're talking about waiting for a better spot.  Should not be a common worry for cash game players.

As gatso says, call.

because I can get you to fold the best hand regularly enough..(a good shorty can have a LOT worse than KQ here)..this allows me to pick up enough 5BBs to make this very profitable...and if you call I am more than llikely to be 50-50...that makes it  a no lose.

Really, shortstack is the new black.

Well firstly in cash game we are simply taking a long +ev term view of everything . If we are getting +ev opportunity we take it.

In the hypothetical situation you give, lets assume the "mug" is the bb. Pot is 25.5bbs and we have to call 15bbs more, so we are getting 1.7 to 1 on our money or have to be 37% to win the hand.

Break even after playing about with poker stove is if villian has 77, aj+. So its a snap call if your read is right.

Fwiw 5 bbs is too big an open raise with any hand and you will rarely have this big of a read on your opponent.

where is the rakefree site?  Get back to pokerstove and give the correct answer!

lol

Lolz i knew i made this mistake after posting, but was thinking some smart arse wouldn't pick it up.

Well if we assume mug is the btn the calcs are approx right.

The hands here are really immaterial, I was posing the question after a long cash session and it was one of the observations.

There were constantly shorties coming and going, once they built a stack to 3 x the buy in they would piss off, unmless they were stuck a few.

The constant stream of shortstacks trying to double was unrelenting, i have to admit I was a little off my game due to their randomness to push, it left me little or no room to play my trash. ( huff taken by me )

adjust faster. If a game is full of shorties tighten up and weight ur range to more tpgk type holdings that let you get the money in on the flop, opposed to more speculative disguised holdings.

pretty sure the only mug in this hand is you :D

Ban HIM!!!

lol sorry.  its a pretty straightforward hand though

It wasnt a real hand, just similar to a lot of situations yesterday.

ok its 15 to call ~25 so you need 1/(25/15 + 1) = 0.375 = 37.5%  to call.

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    51.069%     48.57%    02.50%         748479440     38529131.00   { KQs }
Hand 1:    48.931%     46.43%    02.50%         715535898     38529131.00   { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    42.244%     38.01%    04.24%         278554968     31039058.00   { KQs }
Hand 1:    57.756%     53.52%    04.24%         392233028     31039058.00   { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    38.186%     35.99%    02.20%         186115350     11351681.00   { KQs }
Hand 1:    61.814%     59.62%    02.20%         308297096     11351681.00   { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, AQo+ }

see why this is trivial? :)

Can we delete Rupert's last post please?..I don't want people to google it and find it ;)

We could, but you've gone and quoted it now...

using pokerstove is hardly groundbreaking

if they win, they scamper off into the night, if they lose, they keep on reloading and reloading.

As for the "the hands here are immaterial".. i guess that means you are asking a theoretical question... and the question is "would you, as a professional gambler, take 7/4 on your money in a 50/50 coup", and i suspect most professionals would indeed take that punt.

yes, it sure sucks when you lose money, but if you cant handle losing, then gambling is not the environment for you.