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fucking bullshit, shocking. "the money will be re invested in the team" AYE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!!!!!!

**** cancels early night *****


how good is he from an EPL perspective?

genuine bargain? if so I assume the sale is down to early Euro exit?

Ha Ugly Betty has gone!  even when MON ain't at Celtic and he's still ripping Rangers apart.  LOL!!!

Boumsong - remember him?  He lacks pace but is a solid defender IMO.

ignoring the partisan stuff...........

IMO Cuellar is on a diff level to Boumsong, hes fantastic in the air , his reading of the game is exeptional, hes good on the ball, will be a stand out in the villa defece imo only time will tell thats my opinion anyway

He certainly looked good from an SPL perspective. In Europe he wasn't shown up either, aside from one howler against Lyon if I recall correctly.

I'd say he's probably good enough to play for (roughly) the seventh best team in the EPL.

wikipedia has him at Newcastle. Can we have some of the 8m?!!

Carlos Javier Cuéllar Jimenez (born 23 August 1981 in Madrid) is a Spanish footballer who currently plays for English Premiership side Newcastle United in defence, as a centre back.

Genuine bargain, will probably move on for near double that within two years. Very clean in the tackle, very few bookings for a CB, excellent reader of the game, has performed very well against some big clubs in Europe and LaLiga, will be an excellent signing for Villa. Quicker than Bandit suggests (although he's not wrong about his looks) and certainly not another Boumsong. Also a threat in the opposing penalty box and one of the best defenders I've seen in a Rangers jersey although doesn't have the leadership qualities of a Gough or Butcher.

Sorry to see him go,though I fully understand why he wants to move, and I wish him all the best.

Lacks pace???? He's very fast for a central defender- He ran for spain at junior level and almost became an athlete instead of a pro footballer. I've watched him week in week out and reckon he's also on a different level to boumsong. I think he will be a good buy for Aston Villa

Sky Sports reports he has a release clause of E10m (c.£7.8m) which Villa's bid meets.

Time will tell on this one.  I think he struggles for pace in the games I seen he was caught out a few times.  The only reason he never got caught out more often IMO was because with the average age of the Ranger team being like 39 (due to 90 year olf Davie Weir) they played so deep that Cuellar was hardly ever on the back foot.

As for the bookings - scottish refs ldo!  :)

I am pretty glad to see him go if I am honest he is one of only 3 Rangers players I'd give a game to in my team.

Hmmm I smell a rat. 

Think this is a huge signing for Villa.

Davis has issues, Knight was a stop gap.

I think the Villa squad is looking immense, yes their is potential to grow into, and reputations to prove but for me they look a real danger.  Another great signing for MoN IMO.

If Cuellar can play as well for the Villains as he has for Rankgers then MON has done well and it could be a good bit of business and could be the missing piece of the jigsaw.

cuellar is decent imo.. will be solid for villa.. lol at selling club :)

Quoted from Daily Record 24th July (2 1/2 weeks ago)


   


CARLOS CUELLAR has given Scotland's Shame FC a massive pre-season boost by pledging his long-term future to the Ibrox club.

The Spanish defender has become a hero with the Light Blue faithful after just 12 months in Scotland and his performances have attracted suitors from across Europe.

However, Cuellar has no interest in leaving Rangers and is committed to staying with the club for the foreseeable future.

He said: "I want to stay here for many years. I like the feeling I have with the supporters and that's very important.

"I'm very proud to have this support and it encourages me to go out and play for them.

"I've never experienced such warmth in my career before and it's very special.

'I'm very happy at Scotland's Shame FC and the supporters are one of the reasons.  [b]The club is fantastic and each year we have the chance to play in the Champions League. [/b]

"Last season was my best as a professional player but I hope this season will be even better."

Cuellar's outstanding displays last season won him two Player of the Year Awards and brought widespread praise.

The only slight disappointment of the debut term was his failure to get a look-in for the Spanish squad for Euro 2008 in Austria and Switzerland.

National coach Luis Aragones was proved perfectly correct in his judgments as Spain lifted the trophy but the veteran quit for Turkish club football and Vicentedel Bosque is now in charge.

Rangers manager Walter Smith believes Cuellar would not let himself down on the international scene if given an opportunity and the player reckons he can make his cap dreams come true while starring in the SPL.

He said: "I'm really pleased about the victory of the national team at Euro 2008.

"I'd love to go and join these players because it is my dream to play for the national team. It is up to me. If I have another good season, I think I have a chance."

Cuellar knows performing well in Europe can hold the key to his Spain hopes.

For this reason, next week's second qualifying round first-leg match against FBK Kaunas could be crucial to his chances.

Cuellar said: "The Champions League qualifying games can be nervous and they can be difficult but we have good confidence in the squad and I believe we are favourites to go through.

"I loved the games in Europe last season and every player wants to play against the best in the world.

"When we beat Zeta and Red Star Belgrade to get to the group phase of the Champions League it was fantastic.

"To play against Barcelona was special for me because although I'd played against them before it was even better to meet them in the Champions League.

"Some people think it was more special because I'm a Real Madrid supporter but I don't support them.

"I don't have a team in Spain. I like all of the Spanish teams.

"I don't think there is any doubt that Messi, Henry and Ronaldinho were the best players I played against last season.

"Then, of course, we went into the UEFA Cup and we kept winning and winning. It was just so sad we could not win the Final.

"I think it was a fantastic achievement to get there but we wanted to win it.

"Now we start what we hope will be another good campaign but we know we will have difficult games.

"The important thing is to get back into the group phase and then see what happens."

obv wasnt his choice to go.....on a more positve note good to see a couple of ur players got the jail last night lol

who?

When commenting on a matter that may involve a future criminal trial it's probably best to not comment at all, or at least get the facts right when you do...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7554946.stm

On a more positive note, what do you make of the rumours of a Lovenkrands return?

:) ..........as far as lovenkrands goes id take him in a sec better than the 27 other forwards we have , as long as he doesnt play out wide obv

lol at 'decent' comments from the tic cave, best defender ive ever seen in scotland. fact.

how did we get less for cuellar than hutton or boumsong??????????????????????????????

cant believe hes gone to join asbo oneill and charlie adam's lost lost bulgarian half brother

"tic cave" wonder why teacake hasnt crawled out yet

we are rising above it all

no comment

Aston Villa are 15/1 on sportingbet at handicap betting to win the league with +27 points e/w pays 4places what do people think of this bet ? Thinking of having a ton e/w on it any advice be much appreciated not to clued up on handicaped betting

                   alexander


whitaker   broadfoot     weir       papac


novo   thomson   daily   mcculloch    adam


                        mhiller


yum yum

makes me sad

                     Macgregor

Whitaker     Bougherra      Loovens     Papac

          Davis    Ferguson    Thomson  

     Novo                               Laferty

                  Lovenkrands

 :)up

bit better lol

lovenkrands signing, excellent, we need a couple more forwards and nothing will stop our anti-anti-football formation of 0-0-10




the spl wont know what the hell we're doing.




ive not felt this disgusted since i had a dream that id signed for team blowup for the next team tourny

lol hey team blow up got done on a dodgy count by urself, seeing as ur counting skills arnt the best going by the 0-0-10 format- dont be surprised if you dont get a place on the next team

1-0-0-10 is that better, can i now get into team blow up?

Villa looking pretty solid on paper should be a def 5-8 finish this year

Friedel
Shorey
Cuellar
Laursen
L Young
A Young
Petrov
Reo-Coker
Sidwell
Carew
Agbonlahor


Guzan
Davies
Knight
Maloney
Harewood

Plus of course Barry for now

Not a bad bet, of the handicap betting I think I would have to go with Newcastle +34 @ 15/1, and your Villa bet +27 @ 15/1. Taking e/w @ 1,2,3,4 - 1/4.

Infact I might open a sporting bet account to have a fun bet..

I may sound like a complete muppet here (nowt unusual there) but how does it work with handicap betting is it just villa +27 and then the rest the prem normal lge or is it the lge with all teams +however many points each team is ? cheers

all the league on there handcap...

so villa start +27 and newcastle +34, villa have to beat newcastle by 8 points obv, as well as other teams.

When are the Rangers fans finally going to kick David Murray out? Selling Cuellar, not clever..Selling Kris Boyd and bringing the inconsitent Loverkrands back is borderline idiotic. Loverkrands wasn't that good when he played for Rangers FFS. He was brutally inconsistent and definetely not a top player.

Rangers are a selling club, and not a very good one at that.

Villa got a far superior player for £8m than Spurs did for £9m. Was gutted that Spurs gave them so much money. Glad that Cuellar is gone. Should tell you all you need to know.

Sandy

A formidable central defensive partnership with Davie Weir has helped Cuellar settle immediately into Scottish football and Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist compared him to one of the club's greatest imports.

"Carlos Cuellar is as valuable to our team as Brian Laudrup once was, without a doubt, " said McCoist. "Obviously they are completely and utterly different types of players but in terms of their value to the team Carlos is as important.

"Will other clubs want him now?

It goes with the territory that other clubs will come sniffing around if they are interested. But I think if we attempted to sell Carlos Cuellar at this moment in time the fans would burn the place down. . . and I'd be one of them."

Anyone want a match?

apparently Osasuna will get %25 of the fee , then will use that to offer £2 million to Celtic for Evander Sno , so basically Rangers are paying us to get rid of Sno , you couldnt make it up haha

rotflmfao

OMG!  We'd have been as well taking the money to celtic park in a wheelbarrow to save the trouble!!!!  ffs

Yous don't have £2 million kicking about hence why Ugly Betty was sold.  Plus Villa will pay in installments.

The reason the transfer fee is in installments is because O'Neill is wiping his arse with every 20 pound note before he hands it over to rangers.

That's 390,000 notes, though rangers have requested that the due process, although entirely necessary and understandable, is sped up by wiping martins mouth with around half the notes, as he talks complete shit anyway, they figure it is an efficient use of resources

I was pretty sure it wasnt true as per usual when celtic fans try to take the piss when something happens to Rangers.  David Murray confirmed that no percentages of the Cueller transfer is owed out to any club including Osasuna.  Looks like some other team will have to pay Celtic to send Sno to Osasuna

Speaking of Murray, he better watch out for this angry bear!

Contains colourful language but very, very funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ioVkARO7o&feature=related

[ ] it was a good idea to buy dad a video camera

Reports today suggest David Murray is allowing Walter Smith to splash the cash on the Gers team. This is, of course, in response to criticism after the sale of our star player, Carlos Cuellar, to Aston Villa for a paltry few million pounds.

I have no doubt that Carlos considered his place at Rangers after our European humiliation but just a few days ago he also stated that he was enjoying life in Glasgow and at Rangers so much that he didn't need a new contract or more cash to consider staying. Quotes and reports on the sale suggest he was desperate to leave to further his chances at international level. Again, there may be some truth in that but this begs the question: why are so many Rangers supporters furious over this saga?

The simple answer is that many simply do not believe what comes from the club. We've seen this before. Whatever your views on Barry Ferguson, we know now that he was forced from Ibrox by Murray and Bain, who both wanted the cash. Similarly, it was quite clear that Alan Hutton wanted to stay but he was again encouraged to leave by those in charge who could only see the pound signs. With our latest prized asset, you can't blame people for not swallowing the lies presented by the chairman and his permatanned puppet. I think they have taken blind loyalty for granted and this appears to be one lie too far.

Cash from the transfer may well be spent and we could still bring in some players (midfielders, please?) but this is merely an attempt to appease frustrated fans prior to Saturday's home tie against Hearts in the wake of rumours regarding potential protests. Contrary to reports in one paper, it is not merely the sale of Cuellar that has infuriated the support but consistent downsizing for nearly a decade, which many people are finally taking note of.

Consider these points.

1. Rangers have no youth academy.

We have youth teams, we have youth players but ultimately our youth setup has produced only two (McGregor and Hutton) quality first team players in ten years. That's an epic failure.

We have seen a couple of generations of 'the next big thing' come, fail and disappear because there is no youth academy in place to ensure the talented youngsters make the step up to the first team. For examples, think of Darren Fitzgerald, Lee Feeney, Paul Reid, Stephen Carson, Billy Gibson, Maurice Ross, Bob Malcolm, Stephen Hughes, Ross McCormack, Stephen Dobbie...

In all his time at Rangers, Murray has never focussed properly on youth.

2. We have no scouting network.

Arsenal have a network of seven scouts whose job it is to watch football all over the world from school games to World Cup finals and the club has a database on every player watched. If Wenger says he wants a 6ft 4 centre back who's pacey, under 24, out of contract within a year and can speak fluent English, they'll provide a list of names for him in no time.

Our entire scouting network relies on Walter Smith's previous Scotland squad (would anyone be shocked if we signed Quashie?), teams we play against in Europe and at home, and Ally McCoist going abroad to watch the odd game.

Murray has never looked to put in place a proper scouting network.

3. We are slaughtered in the press.

Rangers fans have, in just the last few years, been called orange *******s, nazis, and sub human. We have had lies printed about our founders, a joke about the Ibrox Disaster, a story about us (and not Celtic fans) abusing Mark Walters on his debut and a front-page article mocking the death of our first manager.

Journos can write almost anything about Rangers supporters because they know Murray will never do anything about it. He never has, he will never defend us and he does not care if YOU are called a nazi in the mainstream press, purely because you support Rangers.

4. We have been second best in Scotland for the 2000s.

Our last convincing title win was last century. Thanks to David Murray's horrendous overspending (and don't give me any nonsense about it being Advocaat's fault, Murray signed the cheques) we have been on a downward spiral and have been second best for almost all of this century. Is there any plan in place to make sure we don't remain second or is Murray just crossing his fingers and hoping Smith pulls a title out the bag after we were humiliated in Europe?

We have gone from Albertz to Nerlinger, van Bronckhorst to Mladenovic, Kanchelskis to Capucho, Mols to Ostenstadt, Hutton to Dailly, Numan to Vanoli, and now Kenny Miller will most likely be replacing Kris Boyd. We are not replacing like for like at any level.

Think for a second that between Dave King and ENIC we had SIXTY MILLION pounds injected in to our club. Was this used to fund a state of the art youth academy to bring through the very best young players in the country? Was it used to set up a world class scouting network to aid whoever is managing our team? No, Murray managed to turn a £60 million injection into an £80 million debt, that's a turnaround of £140 million and we have nothing, absolutely nothing, to show for it.

If you want to back a man that doesn't care if you and your fellow fans are called nazis or orange scum; if you want to back a man that has no plan for Rangers and doesn't have the ambition to make us number one; if you want to back a man that won't even properly recognise our own history with a museum or defend our club when people are slaughtering us; if you want to back a man that has made it public that he has lost interest in Rangers and wants out, you go for it. I want better for Rangers.

Finally, I ask the question: will our support wake up to the mess Murray has made at Ibrox NOW or will it take a Celtic nine-in-a-row? Think about that.

ARNOLD LAYNE

classic Floyd

rangers calibre of player has dropped dramatically, but so has celtics.

i actually think we were the better side most of last season, celtic were pisspoor up until their exit to barcelona. but the fact is they are both very poor sides and im amazed by the recent european sucesses of both.

for celtic to get on their high horse is quite amusing, im not in the slightest bit worried by their signings, as am sure they arnt by ours, though tbh if they had bought a quality cf cm and cb like they should have, they would win the league hands down, instead celtic being celtic, never force home an advantage,and have signed next to nothing.

should be a close title race again, with a particularly poor brand of football methinks

good post fergus.

Good post Celtic.

Celtic did well signing Loovens.

rotflmfao @ Rangers trying to buy McFadden. The most inconsistent player in the world and a massive moany little shyte. "I don't want to play in the Championship for 9 months", no but nobody else want's you, you pillock and you knew Birmingham would get relegated when you signed for them last year....blah!

I agree with that, although you'll not see many Celtic fans get on their high horse, all we are doing is taking the piss at the shambles that Rangers are in (which is fair game tbh).

Rangers being shite doesn't make Celtic better.

Does so!

TBH, I watched both OF team games this weekend and I saw more football in the 30 minutes that I watched of Hamilton v Dundee Utd.

both celtic and rangers were poor at the weekend. We need to improve massively for the champions league or we are gonna get embarrased.

I don't think I worded that very well, Celtic are obviously better than Rangers but Rangers being crap doesn't mean that Celtic get better (if you know what I mean  :D)