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Villain is pretty damn tight abc player, doesnt really get out of line much. He pretty much insta-bet the flop and then thought for a while before betting the turn, i kind of rule out a bluff/AKd as he would 3b pre AK and bluff is spew 3way on this board oop. I hate all options so we.......


***** Hand History for Game 403919146 *****
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 25, 12:07:52 ET 2008
Table Carbon 76 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: DreamMore ( $1169.50 USD )
Seat 2: JammyJenny ( $1000.00 USD )
Seat 3: WhiteTrash ( $1467.00 USD )
Seat 4: HuckleB ( $4271.65 USD )
Seat 5: breiflabben ( $2066.25 USD )
Seat 6: ITILTYOU2 ( $990.00 USD )
ITILTYOU2 posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
DreamMore posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [  Qh As ]
JammyJenny raises [$35.00 USD]
WhiteTrash folds
HuckleB folds
breiflabben calls [$35.00 USD]
ITILTYOU2 calls [$30.00 USD]
DreamMore calls [$25.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Ad, 2d ]
ITILTYOU2 bets [$110.00 USD]
DreamMore folds
JammyJenny calls [$110.00 USD]
breiflabben calls [$110.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
ITILTYOU2 bets [$350.00 USD]
JammyJenny lets out audible sigh....

I'd fold this to the player described. He's not scared of your ace, smells like a full house of 6s. It's a hell of a semi-bluff if he's made it in which case he deserves the pot.

I'm not a $1000NL player, but I don't think AQ is strong enough here against the player you describe.

With him being such a tight player can we not inc AKd in his range in this spot.He may have wanted to keep it cheap to play his hand.I can't think of a hand he could have that your beating so i think it's a fold for me.If you'd asked what we think he had i'd go for kqd.

Can i ask though why are we calling the turn but then folding the river the 2 has made no diff so should we either be folding on the turn or calling the river if the rivers not a scare card which it isn't ?

 Ac Kd?

Why would he bet so big with a full house?

Surely he'd make it a bit less to give any flush draws the odds to hit and pay him off? I think he checks or bets half the pot maximum with a full house here.

Looks like a second stab with a pair of aces to me and probably a half decent diamond kicker. Maybe a jack.

I would pass Alex given your read, to lead twice in this situation smell of a big but vunerable hand. Wouldn't be surprised if he turned with two suited connect diamonds here alot, it fits with his line.

There is very little of his range you beat imo, Ax xd is about it.

Why post this?

He could do but it looks like he's looking to get all the money in on the turn. Only hands I can put opp on is a full house, flush or AK either one being a diamond. I'd be shocked if opp shows up with and AJ, AT here.

I'd honestly consider passing on the flop here.

I would have been tempted to raise his flop bet and find out immediately where i am. By not raising you find yourself in the spot you did on the turn where you have to fold.

u two think this is simple fold? seriously? he can have 66 or flopped flush in my eyes, personally i think the turn decision is very tough, add more or keep schtum imo.

I really cant find a call or raise here- effectively calling your donking off half your stack and should expected to be put all in on river no matter whats coming out but to me it looks like a flopped flush. He could be overplaying a small boat in the hope someone with a flush will commit- I reckon you are drawing slim here

this is crazy imo. We then get all worse hands (AJ/A10) to fold and leave ourselves open to getting bluffed off the best hand if oppo 3bets ai on flop w nut flush draw. It just inflates the pot. We can still check behind/fold turn depending what villain does and it leaves us a lot less open to playing for stacks with a strongish but still marginal hand.

Keep schtum? Not happening. How can you be a reg at 5 / 10; describe the guy leading out as extremely ABC and nitty; have top pair on that board in a multiway pot; and not think it's a simple fold? Tsk.

to be fair mate you could be a little more constructive with your comments rather than post snidy comments like "why post this?"

i know the player, he moved up from 500nl early this year. I was taking a shot and got felted, wanted constructive criticism and got this "why post this?" bollocks. Not needed.

i think its a standard fold i would like your line more if the pot was hu vs you and the villain. Id imagine he has a set here. or a made flush

There is no requirement for replies to be in a certain format. And there is certainly no requirement to pussyfoot around and be all "hard luck mate", "tough spot" if a situation isn't tough or unlucky. Sorry you took a shot and got stacked - and because you got stacked during a shot the hand may seem significant to you. But the turn decision is a trivial one imo and this hand isn't particularly interesting.

its fine that to you this hand has no significant interest and is simple. im not looking for pussyfooting around or sympathy, just want to discuss merits of lines in an effort to improve. might i suggest just not replying to a hand you think is not particuarly interesting. 

How would people's thinking differ if the player wasn't as nitty or ABC?

I still think it would be a standard fold. Unless you know he is a complete spewtard

You've raised preflop and called on the flop which are absolutely standard, could not argue anything else decisions.

Flatcalling the turn with the intention of folding to further action on the river is obviously silly - and getting it in here is essentially a bluff when he never folds anything he isn't bluffing with and should hardly ever be bluffing! Sooo...just fold.

I'd fold this pretty shaprish. A tight player is firing into you and you still have a player behind.

AS played I pass on the turn.

Folding the flop is a bit nitty, raising or calling flop is fine.