Strong hand but nit is leading multiway.....turn fold?

[AlexMartin]

Villain is pretty damn tight abc player, doesnt really get out of line much. He pretty much insta-bet the flop and then thought for a while before betting the turn, i kind of rule out a bluff/AKd as he would 3b pre AK and bluff is spew 3way on this board oop. I hate all options so we.......


***** Hand History for Game 403919146 *****
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, August 25, 12:07:52 ET 2008
Table Carbon 76 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: DreamMore ( $1169.50 USD )
Seat 2: JammyJenny ( $1000.00 USD )
Seat 3: WhiteTrash ( $1467.00 USD )
Seat 4: HuckleB ( $4271.65 USD )
Seat 5: breiflabben ( $2066.25 USD )
Seat 6: ITILTYOU2 ( $990.00 USD )
ITILTYOU2 posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
DreamMore posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [  As ]
JammyJenny raises [$35.00 USD]
WhiteTrash folds
HuckleB folds
breiflabben calls [$35.00 USD]
ITILTYOU2 calls [$30.00 USD]
DreamMore calls [$25.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
ITILTYOU2 bets [$110.00 USD]
DreamMore folds
JammyJenny calls [$110.00 USD]
breiflabben calls [$110.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
ITILTYOU2 bets [$350.00 USD]
JammyJenny lets out audible sigh....

[GrannyDee]

I'd fold this to the player described. He's not scared of your ace, smells like a full house of . It's a hell of a semi-bluff if he's made it in which case he deserves the pot.

[FuglyBaz]

I'm not a $1000NL player, but I don't think AQ is strong enough here against the player you describe.

[mondatoo]

With him being such a tight player can we not inc AKd in his range in this spot.He may have wanted to keep it cheap to play his hand.I can't think of a hand he could have that your beating so i think it's a fold for me.If you'd asked what we think he had i'd go for kqd.

Can i ask though why are we calling the turn but then folding the river the 2 has made no diff so should we either be folding on the turn or calling the river if the rivers not a scare card which it isn't ?

[pokerfan]

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[EvilPie]

I'd fold this to the player described. He's not scared of your ace, smells like a full house of . It's a hell of a semi-bluff if he's made it in which case he deserves the pot.

Why would he bet so big with a full house?

Surely he'd make it a bit less to give any flush draws the odds to hit and pay him off? I think he checks or bets half the pot maximum with a full house here.

Looks like a second stab with a pair of aces to me and probably a half decent diamond kicker. Maybe a jack.

[Longy]

I would pass Alex given your read, to lead twice in this situation smell of a big but vunerable hand. Wouldn't be surprised if he turned with two suited connect diamonds here alot, it fits with his line.

There is very little of his range you beat imo, Ax xd is about it.

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Villain is pretty damn tight abc player, doesnt really get out of line much. He pretty much insta-bet the flop and then thought for a while before betting the turn, i kind of rule out a bluff/AKd as he would 3b pre AK and bluff is spew 3way on this board oop. I hate all options so we.......

[LuckyLloyd]

Why post this?

[GrannyDee]

I'd fold this to the player described. He's not scared of your ace, smells like a full house of . It's a hell of a semi-bluff if he's made it in which case he deserves the pot.

Why would he bet so big with a full house?

Surely he'd make it a bit less to give any flush draws the odds to hit and pay him off? I think he checks or bets half the pot maximum with a full house here.

Looks like a second stab with a pair of aces to me and probably a half decent diamond kicker. Maybe a jack.

He could do but it looks like he's looking to get all the money in on the turn. Only hands I can put opp on is a full house, flush or AK either one being a diamond. I'd be shocked if opp shows up with and AJ, AT here.

[MC]

I'd honestly consider passing on the flop here.

[pokerfan]

Why post this?

[ItsMrAlex2u]

I would have been tempted to raise his flop bet and find out immediately where i am. By not raising you find yourself in the spot you did on the turn where you have to fold.

[AlexMartin]

Why post this?

u two think this is simple fold? seriously? he can have 66 or flopped flush in my eyes, personally i think the turn decision is very tough, add more or keep schtum imo.

[Hairydude]

I really cant find a call or raise here- effectively calling your donking off half your stack and should expected to be put all in on river no matter whats coming out but to me it looks like a flopped flush. He could be overplaying a small boat in the hope someone with a flush will commit- I reckon you are drawing slim here

[AlexMartin]

I would have been tempted to raise his flop bet and find out immediately where i am. By not raising you find yourself in the spot you did on the turn where you have to fold.

this is crazy imo. We then get all worse hands (AJ/A10) to fold and leave ourselves open to getting bluffed off the best hand if oppo 3bets ai on flop w nut flush draw. It just inflates the pot. We can still check behind/fold turn depending what villain does and it leaves us a lot less open to playing for stacks with a strongish but still marginal hand.