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Hi,
Long time reader but first time poster.

The following hand happenend to me the other night and I'm still in shock.
Every Monday night I play in a homegame, 15/16 runners and normally a £20 freezeout, starting stack of 4k, 20 minute clock.
On monday I was chip leader on my table with around 7k. stacks were:
seat 1 - Button - 1900
seat 2 - SB - 2350
seat 3 - BB - 7250 ME
seat 4 - 4300
seat 5 - 800
seat 6 - 1900
Blinds were 50-100. UTG limped, seat 5 limped, SB made up the 100 chips. I had  9h 9s. Raised it, making it an extra 400 to go. UTG called and the other 2 folded. Pot was 1200.
Flop was -  2c 2d 9d   - Obviosuly I like my hand here.
The other player is a very loose passive player, not much raising but lots of calling.
I check to him, he bets out 600.
the only hand i'm losing to here is pocket 2's and dont put him on that so flat call.
Turn is   Jd putting 3 diamonds on the board. I'm hoping that he has either hit his flush here, or at least has something like the  Ad.
The pot is now 2400. I decide to check again. Player bets 1000.
I figure this to be quite a strange bet so raise it making it another 1400 for him to go. he instcalls making the pot 5200.
River is  Js
I hate this card here, as I can only put him on a jack now. I check again.
He pushes for the remainder of his chips and I call.
He turns over  Qh Jc giving him a bigger house than me.


What did i do wrong please? all comments will be greatly appreciated!!

blodge99

fold flop

Why fold after the flop?

Just unlucky. 

There are some hands to slow-play, yours was one.  It was just unfortunate they caught up.

ty, you just answered your own question to this unnecessary thread

[ ] These are constructive,  helpful comments , wp

[ ] this hand really needed: "constructive, helpful comments"

lead into him then! Don't check call.

Whats the point of this thread. Analyze that shit.

Thanks for coming.

Posted by: blodge99

good read

Why do so many people post such unfriendly replies to others when they start threads like these?

Shouldnt comments be constructive, helpful and friendly rather than unwelcoming? Ok to most of us this hand shouldnt be on here but a new poster who probably doesnt have the experience most people have is trying to get a bit of advice and people are trying to shoot him down.

Agreed.  This board (or so I thought) is meant for people of all poker playing abilities.  What might seem a simple no-brainer to some of you lot is not going to be so for someone who doesn't have as much knowledge of the game.  In fact that is the whole point of this board!!!  Makes me wonder where the blonde spirit has gone when people ridicule posters looking for advice, especially newcomers.  Don't critise for the sake of it people, only do it when you have something constructive to back it up.

To the OP - Welcome to Blonde :)  Don't worry it's normally much more friendly than this...promise...And no you didn't do anything wrong, you just got unlucky.

Yes I agree with both.
To be fair Kin and LeKnave did give useful replies.
You were unlucky blodge you did nothing wrong.

If Blodge99 is looking to improve his poker skills then he has come to the right place. If he is looking to meet people, make new friends, and discuss the environment, I would suggest The Lounge is ftw. There is no real need to pussyfoot about telling someone there's nothing to see here. This is the first thing Blodge99 has learnt today. Pocket Lady agrees that Blodge99 just got unlucky in his hand, so what constructive advice can be given? New posters should beware that they have access to some of the greatest poker minds on the web at Blonde, FACT! So don't mess us about with just unlucky hands! Lesson 2 for Blodge99 today is that it is good to develop a thick skin for poker. Don't care what people say just develop your knowledge by using the board. So we can see that Blodge99 has actually learnt a lot from Blonde PHA today. He is a better player. The best thing is that he got all that for free. Well done Blodge. He doesn't learn anything if you tell him he got unlucky.
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Welcome to Blonde Blodge99, don't be messin us with just unlucky hands.

Nah, I feel bad now about Blodge's hand. Just unlucky there Blodge.

What I am getting at is that he obviously does not know whether he got unlucky or not, otherwise he wouldn't be posting asking us what he did wrong.  This is an educational board, and the lesson to be learnt by Blodge from whoever wants to give advice is that this was unlucky, and it's normally fairly safe to slow play this.  There is NEVER a need for putting people down or making them feel like idiots in a learning environment.  If you want to take the piss out of your friends or regular posters (or real inconsiderate trolls) then go for it.  But this kind of behaviour towards a new poster asking a harmless question is not going to make him want to come back to blonde.  Once upon a time every member of this forum would not have known the answer to the original question, unless you have been playing poker in the womb.  With regards to pussyfooting, you can say it as directly as you want, but not in a "omg you're thick" kind of way.  There are ways of getting points across and Bolt's comments were totally unnecessary. 

There is nothing wrong with the OP in my opinion.  What ever the level it's still a PHA question, but if people feel it's not perhaps a board should be created for beginner questions only so that we don't bother you "great minds" with helping out a novice player.

If you think it's a waste of your time then just don't reply.  Simple.
 

Pocket Lady :). I would suggest you are being more diesrespectful to Blodge than me. He knows very well he got unlucky. I give him this much credit at least. The reason he posted was because he wanted to spend 50p very badly, and because he wanted to tilt us all. He has done both. But we surprised him with the wax-on wax-off Karate Kid treatment and now he has skillz. Saying he doesn't know he got unlucky is calling Blodge a retard imo.

[  ] OP played the hand well

lol, absoloute bollox, OP knows exactly what happend in this hand, he just want's everyone to say: "omfg, that's so sick, you played it so well, that's just unlucky, wow ive never seen something like that before in my life, your opponent is so bad, unlucky man"!!!! YAWN!!!!!!

As for ostracising newbies?  70% of the "general chat" being restricted to three diary threads already thousands of pages long is more likely to do that.

+1

[ ] The beginners board is gentler on the less exalted players

[ ] David is learning about more than just poker from his experiences on this forum

Thanks for the feedback, mainly helpful.

To the people who critiscised me for posting this - Yes I knew I was unlucky in the hand, most of the time I will win the hand as the other player will have nowt. I posted because I wanted other peoples points of view as out of the group I play with, a few of them said I lost the hand because I played it badly.
I've been readin the site for a few years without posting, and just felt that this was as good a time as any to start.

I took the post at face value, maybe that was a mistake but still not seeing any evidence to suggest that it was anything more than someone looking for advice.


I do happen to agree with that, but unless you can say with absolute certainty from one post that this thread is not genuine, then there's no need to make new posters feel unwelcome.  Maybe you didn't, buti if I was met by that greeting after my first post I wouldn't feel welcome at all.

You lost the hand because you were unlucky, you just happened to also play it badly.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20524.msg460472#msg460472

well then there should be a balance in which the mods(whom moderating on a poker forum you would expect to have a reasonable understanding about poker)should intercede/remove threads of such a ridiculous nature!

you guy's are moderating the forum, it's your job to look out for this stuff, not ours, and there should be a fairness applied to newbies and long standing members alike.

Origional Posts like this should be treated then in the same fashion in which the riposts in provokes are

There was no problem with the original post, from a new poster asking advice. 

Several replies to the poster clearly contravened what the aim of the board is, by being overly sarcastic and ridiculing what was a reasonable enough question (albeit with a simple enough answer) and we're grateful to members who made this clear earlier on the thread

Agreed totally. It's very sad to see folks deliberately being rude, sarcatic, & obdurate, which goes against the whole ethos of blonde, & this Board in particular.

Very difficult to know what to do to prevent it, to be honest. Every time we give someone a cooler or a Ban there are outraged howls of protest.

Looks like another pleasant evening in prospect. ;)

All hand queries are relative to person making them, something that is easier for some might not be easy for others. If it bugs you so much then....erm....don't read it?


Thanks for going where we clearly fear to tread.


People come asking for help and others laugh in their face, how should we treat the latter?

For R flush...wasn.t the op heading for max value,then got 2 outered on the river?just curious,was it played so bad??not being critical of your criticism.how would you get max value without chasing him away?

If i knew he was going to turn top pair then i would have checked the flop as well.

However when i have a loose passive player i am just firing 3 streets here, you win a shit load more in the long term.

Its taken me a long time to understand "poker talk"...what does firing 3 streets mean?

Betting out on the flop, the turn and the river.
Some Americans (and perhaps others) refer to the flop, turn and river as 3rd, 4th and 5th street, I believe. Hence, betting out (or firing) on all 3 streets.

I believe that the term streets is more often used in stud poker but it seems fairly common parlance in HE nowadays.

I think that's the advice the OP was looking for. 

If I can pinch his hand for a minute, the problem that us weaker players have is getting value out of a great flop.  Coz we're scared of making a weaker hand fold, then checking the flop OOP is the easy option, and it works as long as the villain bets out.  But he's only going to bet out if he's either a perenial bluffer, or he's got a half decent hand himself.

In which case he'll call or raise any bet anyway.

My problem wouldn't have been betting out, but more HOW MUCH to bet.

After the flop he's got 3900 behind.  I always try to get the money in before the river, so if he's chasing a draw, he'll be happy getting it in while he still has a chance.  If he waits for the river and misses, I don't get all his $$.

With a pot of 1200, I'd want to bet out pot sized after the flop, so I could get it all in on the turn.  But that sized bet would scare me.  So I'd probably bet out with 900.

Assuming he calls, I'd then bet out 2400 on the turn, commiting him, and hoping he pushes over the top.

But like I say, I'm not a good player, and bet sizing is a huge problem to me.

Ignoring the result, and assuming everyone is happy to get it all in on this flop, what's the best way to go about it ?

Wow didn't realise he was so shallow as well, i just bet a really lame 500, you know he won't pass for that especially as he is a bad player.

Sounds like you played the hand well. River is so ugly but can't see that calling the bet is wrong.

I'd just like to add that i dont like the 'tone' of some of the posters in this thread, however I understand the point they're trying to make. I remember on another forum someone got it all in with AA pre flop and lost the hand, then posted to ask if he could do anything differently. In that sense it is pointless.

Looking between the lines there was demand for advice that has now been given constructively. I agree with Flushy that you should bet the flop. In fact I often bet on the flop if I hold a huge hand, partly because they wont expect you to bet a monster and because you want to build the pot.

Not sure the villain in the hand did too much wrong himself though? Hmmmm. He sensed weakness on the flop so I think a bet here is fine. But as soon as he is called he should be checking behind hero. Thats just my opinion.

And Im rambling.....

Do what Flushy says. Bet out on the flop, turn and river.

The board doesn't look particularly scary as he's unlikely to put you on the 2 given your pre flop raise.

With 2 overs he is highly likely to call your c bet here then when he hits the turn you've got the jackpot.

Your next bet on the turn should get a reraise out of him at which stage all the chips end up in the middle and you can give yourself a pat on the back.

Then you get unlucky on the river but that's life.

Overall you got the right result as you wanted all the chips in the middle. Unfortunately because of how you played it you didn't get them in until you were losing which is what makes it a bad play rather than a bad beat.

WOW

LOL

You're leveling though right? Ah come on, please tell me this is a level??!!

Posted by: LuckyLloyd

Well maybe it was a bit of a level. But now you've posted Lloyd I don't know how it can be anymore.