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8 players
[SB] samiesa (1095)
[BB] Robdog1969 (1900)
[1] nitroeve (2175)
[2] Tezcatlipoker (1935)
[3] Bradmeister (1705)
[4] uhohthozo (1965)
[5] cinci4life88 (1395)
[But] HERO (1330)

HERO :7d :7c Initial Pot: 75

nitroeve folds
Tezcatlipoker folds
Bradmeister folds
uhohthozo raises to 150
cinci4life88 calls 150
HERO calls 150
samiesa folds
Robdog1969 folds
### FLOP ### :9c :3c :9s Pot: 525
uhohthozo bets 350
cinci4life88 folds
HERO???


this is the first game I've played with uhohthozo. It is not the first time uhohthozo has raised pre-flop so he could conceivably be making this move as a continuation bet with overcards.

Is there enough chips in the pot for me to risk my stack?

Fold pre, fold flop.

You don't have enough chips to set mine and given you got about the best flop for 7's w/o a 7. You still unsure of your action tells me that playing it for pair value isn't happening either.


A tight player betting 350 into two players and being the original raisor you got shown a better hand than 7's too often imo

In the actual hand, I folded the flop because I wasn't sure.



How much would the PFR need to be for you to call pre-flop with 77 in this spot?

I go by the 15 to 1 rule for implied odds, so both stacks would have to be at least 2000 for me to call here

Pre-flop shove out of the question?  375 to pick up there?

Noooooo

Ugh leaving the squeezing with marginals to the mtt boys.

The payout structure encourages preservation of chips over going for the win, plus this is uhoh first raise.

Not sure what u mean Longy?

Reading comprehension ftw, still don't like shoving for the first reason stated.

I def think if you're folding sevens on this flop, then you shouldn't call pre.

He probably continuation bets AK and certainly bets a flush draw (not that you want him to have a flush draw obv).

I think shove the flop or fold pre.

Totally agree. Now you've called pre and other caller folded imo - shove all in - is the best option. This is the best textured flop you could reasonably hope for. He could well have AK - AT, KQ KJ given his short history of preraises/continuation bets. Other feasible hands are pocket pairs AA - TT and 88, but statistically much more likely to have 2 high cards (about 73%). I doubt he has a 9.

If he is going to folds 2 overcards to an all in its worth betting remaining 1180 to win pot of 875. If hes going to call with 2 overcards even better as you approx 74% fav. If hes got an overpair you need to pray for the miracle 7.

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 ;iagree;

I appreciate that my assumptions may be open to dispute but I got to 73 % as follows -

Pairs AA, KK, QQ, JJ , TT and 88 = 6 x 6 combinations = 36

High cards AK, AQ AJ, AT, KQ, KJ - 6 x 16 combinations = 96.

Total combinations = 132.

High cards = 96/132 =73 %

You realise this makes more of an argument for shoving pre than folding pre don't you.

Shoving pre is far superior to any option here.

You assume he is betting with overs on this board 100% of the time?

Just as a thought - is this a case that can be run through ICM ?

Interesting discussion.

The only consensus is that I played at least one street very badly. :)

Level?

I really don't get your reasoning here. The only reason im asking is I respect your opinion especially when it comes to sngs.

Quick question for you regarding set mining.

A spot I seem to be in frequently is where I have about 1300-1600 chips, my opponents have the same and the blinds are 40/80.
I get a pair 22-77 in early position.
Do you limp in this pot with the 15 to 1 rule, or does the chance of getting raised make it a fold?

At the moment I'm letting these hands go without the limp. Is this a leak?

Yes. Pre and on the flop.

I have had a fiddle with sngwiz on pushing/folding pre and im getting it as somewhere between a -0.6% push and about neutral equity, depending on ranges.

No i fold these small pairs in ep at 40/80 all the time. I do limp them in the first two levels (15/30 & 20/40) as i can normally call one raise and get the correct implied odds. Though i have been considering that limping at 20/40 maybe a leak.

In this situation we are the button and alot less likely to get 3bet than we are to get a limp in ep raised.

Take the point. I accept that the %age is misleading. Perhaps he would play 60 % of named high cards in this way and all his pocket pairs ??. Giving (96*60%)/36+(96*60%) =  61% likely to be a high card rather than a pair.

At this stage of the stt, i'm usually folding here pre after the raise been made. Don't like the call as it's put you in the situation on the flop where you're unsure as what to do.

Not a level - the fact that chip preservation is important means that you should be shoving a lot more and calling a lot less because your opponents have to call a far tighter range (as chip preservation is important ldo).  This concept is especially important on the bubble where you find yourself shoving any two cards in a lot of situations, but having to very frequently fold very big hands.