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Not posting this cos of the beat but to gauge whether the play is as bad as I thought it was even though I was happy till the turn came

Scenario - Laddies irish festival first prize 100k euros, 18 left out of 832 and I am table CL with 1.1m chips approx having recently doubled up all in with QQ v AK. I have played tight all day and had villain on my table for most of the day, so he 'should' know that. Avg chips approx 600-650k. Villain has approx 800k chips. Blinds 15k/30k

BB is on phone as cards are dealt and his hand is mucked by dealer after I comment on this

UTG + 1 (M3Boy) raises to 75k, I am UTG+2 and have AA and reraise to 275k, villain in cut off reraises all in for 800k (obv.)

I obviously call and he hits Q on turn and cripples me

Was his play OK, bad or downright atrocious given neither me or the initial raiser are exactly wildly aggressive?

Honest I'm definitely not bitter he went on to donk his way to 65k euros lol

Dunno - depends on what he had.

sorry lol - he had QQ and there was also antes of 3k

Sounds deserved to be honest!

quite possibly if you approve of blatant rule breaking

the reason i put it in my post was in case it was a factor in him thinking I was 'at it'

Some players just don't think things through - they see QQ and think 'instapush' without thinking about the situation.

As someone much wiser once said:

It's definitely possible to lay down here, and is probably bad on circumstance, but def don't think you can call it "downright atrocious"

depends on who he was, what the money means to him etc etc.

also, in his position there are only two hands which are beating him, his job at that point is to either squeeze and take the pot, or get it down to heads up on the flop. he achieved this (i am ssuming m3boy would fold).

even if he just calls (would you seriously expect him to fold pocket queens?), a lowish flop means they are all going in anyway.

just unlucky.

I was getting roughly 2.5 to 1 to call - easy with even the worst hand I could probably have i.e. AK so a squeeze was never going to work v. an e.p. raise and an e.p. re-raise

My thought in his position would be that at best I am doing that to race for my tourney life with above avg. chips - am i miles out with that thought process?

M3Boy, unsurprisingly, did fold

standard, and seriously if ur 3b range here only AK+?

he had played with me all day and I had played nothing worse. And TBH I wouldn't have 3 bet with anything less at this stage of the tourney as I could easily become a short stack by having odds to call a 4 bet with tripe.

So yes and no - but in this spot yes (rightly or wrongly)

You made the final 4 playing only AA, KK and AK?

wish i was a card rack too

this is now a bit pointless so let's end the thread as I said earlier that I had doubled thru' with QQ and that the worst I had been seen to 3 bet with all day was AK. Perhaps if that isn't understandable then I would rather get comments from those who can.

And of course I only played AA, KK and AK for 24 hours - isn't that what always happens lol

I had actually had AA once in first 2 days and KK twice and lost both times so perhaps not

he shoved for 800k. It is not unreasonable to assume u could have AQ, JJ 10 10 etc. You got unlucky and thats all there is too it imo. Had he called an 800k shove with QQ then that may have been a bit more dubious.

Next case.........

Take it you didn't go on to win then

lol - now I can laugh about it though it took a couple of days which is why I didn't post this thread until today

lol he has like 26x!  super standard jam here.

seriously? - after an ep raise and ep reraise and little fold equity?

would having 26xBB not make finding a better spot possible

It appears this was a nitfest

Unless you are complete and utter granite then it might be possible.  Personally i would assume m3boy is opening pretty wide utg into wht is probably a v weak table, so i would be 3betting him with 99+, AJs+, AQo+ absolute minimum, maybe your range is tighter.  But vs that range QQ plays:

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    41.422%     40.34%    01.08%         244545540      6537042.00   { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1:    58.578%     57.50%    01.08%         348535992      6537042.00   { QQ }

And with 26x, im taking 58.5% equity in a flash.

If he doesnt spike, would this thread be here?

errr, i think not.

M3 is a nit though

standard if your multitabling loads of donkfests online every night. Having sat next to a super rock all day knowing he hasn't played didly all day i'd probably have a think about it with QQ.

you have are raising an EP raiser, from EP with a very tight image, investing around 20% of your stack. This is hardly ever tens, hardly ever AQ and i think hardly ever JJ. Hell QQ might even flat here.

QQ is crushed by your range here, and 26bbs is not a desperate stack my no means. He has next to no FE so I think "ThatsSoMinusEV" lmao

When the turn comes a Q, "nice hand", move on next hand

whilst your reasoning may be correct that has to be arsehole comment of the day when the 9 people on that table have got past 814 other runners - I'm sure a strong player like you must do that live all the time

well what is it that you're wanting people to say?

The guy had QQ the 3rd best starting hand. OK a tight player has re-raised so he might give some thought to folding but going all-in is hardly the worst move I've ever seen.

In short I think this is a poorly disguised bad beat story.

Firstly, I posted not as a bad beat story at all or I would have done it sooner but purely because I wanted views as to the play and they are mixed - fair enough
Secondly, I have been a member for 2 years and have less than 300 posts so don't post just for te sake of it but purely to find out about the play in a hand which is what I thought the PHA forum was for
Thirdly, what I failed to allow for, foolishly, are the number of blondeites who are complete arseholes - my mistake

Well you're the one resorting to name calling.

The scenario you described is just a tpical car crash big pocket pair versus big pokcet pair that you always get in the later stages of an MTT when the blinds are large.

As has been said by other posters, would this thread be here if your aces held up?

to me the anwer is no and therefore this is a bad beat story

Hello Mr Dawg.

Please be aware that blonde has a no flaming policy which applies to everyone, including you.

No problems Red, I just find that some members judge everyone by their own standards. Perhaps those that make smart arse commenst should also be warned that it runs against the ethos of the PHA board but I guess that will depend whether they are in the clique, or not

Mr Dawg,

We moderate every PHA thread, and read every post. Nothing to do with supposed "cliques", if we'd seen anything wrong we'd have done something

Sure posters occasionally need a slightly thicker skin than normal on this board as its easy to confuse light hearted fun with "being a smart arse", the written word can disguise people's intentions and tone.

If you have any problems, PM a mod and we'll discuss, rather than you yourself flaming in public

thank you

FWIW, not a lot, I though the hand played itself

Apologies to anyone I have caused offence to if your comments were meant in a genuine constructive manner. I appreciate the different viewpoints which are split both ways which was all i wanted to find out in the first place

Dawg

If you read pha a lot you will see that this particular comment is used very regularly when describing a cooler. It is not intended to offend it just means you lost when you got in with the best of it so unlucky.

I can't see why QQ would get away from this hand at this stage of a tournament.

Your range has to include any decent ace and 10 10 + to reraise from here surely so his shove may well be winning and he still has decent FE against AQ and possibly even AK.

Can I ask what you would've done if you'd had QQ, AK or KK in this situation? Do you call his shove given the strength of his action. I assume you make a similar reraise with these hands but what do you put him on when he goes all in?

If he should lay down QQ to your strength then should you lay down KK to his greater strength?

deputydawg, you should use this thread to improve your game. By the sounds of things your 3 - betting range is far, far too tight. If someone can be expected to fold QQ and 26BBs to one of your 3 - bets then your game is fundamentally flawed.

Again, for me, you played it well, mateyboy played it as I would, and you just got unlucky. I'd really struggle to fold QQ in his spot...

Queens man can't rate you for A-A/K-K after you requested the bb's hand be declared dead before any action. I suspect you didn't know you had A-A before you made that comment. If you DID know you had A-A then that is a world class remark imo.

lol ty which was why I mentioned making the remark in the first place. I didn't know at the time I made the remark I had AA but realised it could 'work in my favour' after I saw my hand (talk about what comes around goes around)

Anyway, I think we have established that the play was definitely not bad which really was all I wanted to get views on, though some agree with me that in his position it was foldable and the slags and lags disagree

Thanks

[X] Deputydawg redeems himself by using the phrase 'slags and lags'

[ x ] thrilled to be associated with slags and lags.

[ x ] even some nits and tits agree QQ can't be folded there

I align myself with the brats and prats, and we think it's fine too.

ooops, just seen this.  in my eye.

sorry if it came across as offensive, but generally the bigger field a tournament is, the weaker the standard of player there will be deeper.  Simply from the bad to good player ratio being so high.  It was not to say you are a weak player personally.

np :)

Think apology is the wrong way round here btw