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keano has left man u

any fellow hoops fans fancy him at paradise?

He is definitely going to Celtic, 100%

thought so nemesis

just wondered if anyone else thinks hes past it?

Of course he's past it, why do you think he's so keen to move to the SPL?

There goes my afternoon of dossing :(

buckling up, visor down, weapons armed

Ya got that straight!

Ho hum...I think I will let em swear today though..

LOL

Ok so if he goes to the SPL, who is he likely to link up with, which is the best team?



(lights blue touch paper and legs it)

Keane's a celtic fan, has watched them on the terraces lots of times

Will make a terrific old school manager one day soon too.

easy now robert  lol

Everyone has known for years that Keane would go to Celtic as soon as his knees went. He'll eventually look to become either their, or Ireland's, manager.

Can we have a group prayer for George Best to last til at least Monday please?

My weekend is shot if he goes on top of this :(

all right i`m biting



no place at parkhead for him, 34 , bad fitness, too mouthy , we have a young team being grown and enough old hands around to help...let him go and coach around the lower english leagues.

I hope he's not coming to Celtic, TBH I doubt if he will.

Seriously don't think he'd help us.

To the usual people slagging Scottish football (which I'd offer odds they know nothing about) - we may be solving the argument soon.  8)

Heid, what do you do that this affects you so much?

i agree rod

we lready have u slow unfit irishman lol

Message boards :)

I manage people who look after message boards..whenever something big happens, I have to stop everything, and organise cover, help cover them meself, and it takes aaages. For big stuff, we have live moderation, and have to check stuff as it arrives on the boards within 5 minutes.

Big stuff - breaking news, means I am looking at anything up to 70k's worth of messages in 12 hours :(

I'm not much of a manager if I leave the troops to deal with stuff - specially as they do it for free.

Poor George will be a biggie specially if it lands on top of Mr Keane.

Plays havoc with my poker playing, and posting on here!

Which of course are my main priorities <g>

Heid
xx

I think he would be good signing for Celtic, considering you have a young team, in a similar way in what Teddy is doing at West Ham and Davids is doing at my team.

No, we've Sutton, Lennon, Petrov, Hartson, Telfer all experienced players & better examples that Roy 'toys out of the pram' Keane.

The youngsters seem to be progressing damn well at the moment.

If we were signing older players I'd want Ghod back from Barca - where he's not playing as often as he should be.

Heid, you involved with Football Mad then? They seem to get hyper whenever anything happens.

If you are I've a couple of requests  ;ifm;

Nah's not Football Mad :)

Bit bigger :)

Come on Rod, how could you put these players in the same breath ( as for experience) as Roy Keane, ask any young professional footballer, " Which player would you most like to play with in your team, Roy Keane or John Hartson?" (the player with the highest profile at Celtic) and they will all say Roy Keane.

The guy has been captain of the biggest team in the world for nearly a decade. If we didnt have Davids, I would want Keane in my team ahead of any player at Celtic.

Rivals? They cut loose the SPL teams a few years  back - which is why Celtic have the biggest INDEPENDANT web forum  8)

It's an ISP with boards, and chat rooms :)

Every subject you could imagine .. I am good at multitasking :)

<no comments from the peanut gallery - you know who you are!>

Except when you have an iPod in one hand and whatever in the other, then it all goes horribly wrong.

he is past it but lets be honest, he only needs to be at 50% to shine in that awful scottish league anyway








incoming................



duck.....................

Can't you read written instructions?

 ;tracet;

that was well out of order Robert. You'd never catch me taking the mickey out of a fellow moderator like that

and a fine fellow at that

1 - The players I was talking about are playing regularly - not out injured more than they play.

2 - I want no player who turns his back on his own country while shouting racist abuse telling impressionable youngsters how to behave.

3 - How great an influence has he been on Fletcher, Miller etc recently - helped their careers any with his backstabbing? I'd want the kids at my club encouraged - not discouraged. (BTW News is emerging he was sacked - but a deal's been done to make it mutual consent).

4 - I doubt he'd play much. He's only managed less than 30 games a season in his career at Man Utd.

Sorry - I'd take Larsson (a true proffessional) before 10 Keanes, or a Davids TBH.

 :pop:

Sigh..

Nemesis,

from a scottish person , living in scotland hoops fan and generally believing that most folk dont really know celtics team.

Players do want to pay alongside good players, managers want a progressive mixed and settled team.
As far as i`m concerned Keane is on the downslope by a longway. He`s unfit or injured a fair bit, He`s mouthy and i want a positive force in the dressing room(and no phsycobabble about how he was really motivating the team by ripping them to bits) ::). Not an exampe as far as i`m concerned.
We had a european cup winner in paul lambert put out to pasture and we have sutton and petrov at parkhead both  icons of how players should play the game. we had Larsson at parkhead as an exampe to all. We dont need a 34 year old for a season or two taking wages when we have plenty of players coming through and leaders in the team.

and man utd the worlds greatest team for the last 10 years...it was great they won the european cup but they have been living on that one for a wee while now.

I also dislike his part in the poaching of liam millar to man utd instead of letting him mature..tapped up and roy is a celtic fan...not the kind of thing celtic fans do.

See my earlier point about not knowing much about Scottish Football..... 8)

I might not be up to scratch with scotish football (who cares about the 12th best league in europe unless you support one of the teams in the league :D) but for me John Hartson is the highest profile player at Celtic. I'm not saying he's the best player, but im sure he has the most international caps out of all the Celtic squad and he has also played in the best, most popular league in world football for 3 different teams.... 8)

 :D Mum always said to let the idiot have the last word ;)

You running a book?

I'm not, but considering how lucky the guy has been... you might get some interesting odds on him!

just switching to betfair now!

Strachan would not want him there I suspect. Can you imagine knowing your successor is playing in your team. As soon as there is a bad run of half a dozen games, they will want Strachan out, keane in. Despite that, I would be absolutely amzed if he did not go. The same has haapened with McLeish. Eight games ago, we were champions, riding high in the Champions League and all looked rosy. Now he is public enemy number one for 50% of supporters. Thats probably not fair, not public enemy number one but, the fans want a fresh face. Not sure how well a former C*lt would be though (David Moyes). Get Super Ally in there to work alongside Venables, Ranieri or Bobby Robson.

Ahahahahah PMSL

i was going to jump into this thread, but the TPT guys know that i cant hold my tongue and would say something i would later regret!

thanks for that Rod you saved me from getting banned!  :D :D :D

Damn, i really wished i saved my laughter for this one!!!

absolutely stunning post, on this day of laughter :D

Good work Rod & Pat your on the money except for the Larsson part ( I wouldnt want want his memory tarnished  :kiv:)

Nem, Hartson maybe the highest profile player in your eyes but hes actually only our 4th choice striker, hes only playing cos the other 3 are injured.

Stilian Petrov would be a first team player in every EPL team with the exception of Chelsea, but most of you prolly havent heard of him. Hes a better player than any of the 14 or so central midfielders on Spurs books (I'm not having a pop here  ;))

Hands off Keano!! The mighty Pompey have declared their interest!! God knows we could use him.

Back to reality though....

All I can say about Keane is: legend.

Don't care what he's like now - he was the best.

"Nem, Hartson maybe the highest profile player in your eyes but hes actually only our 4th choice striker, hes only playing cos the other 3 are injured."

My point is, that being a relative novice in Scotish football knowledge, he has the highest profile and international experience out of all your players since Larsson left (your only true decent player you've had in the last 5 years)Like I said in my previous post, he ISN'T your best player.

"Stilian Petrov would be a first team player in every EPL team with the exception of Chelsea, but most of you prolly havent heard of him. Hes a better player than any of the 14 or so central midfielders on Spurs books (I'm not having a pop here  ;)) "

I know you're not trying to have a pop, but come on mate, lets have a reality check here... If Spurs wanted to buy him, we would. Jenas, Carrick, Davids or Petrov??? "You'll be alright"! Gazza went up to your league and use to score 20 goals a season ffs.

Also, if Petrov could fit into any EPL team except Chelsea, surely one of the other big 5 would've come in for him. The big 6 EPL teams all have a bigger transfer budget's than Rangers and Celtic combined (can pay higher wages) they also have a bigger turnover than Rangers and Celtic, and lets be honest if any top 6 EPL team wanted to buy him, he would definitely want to play in the Best league in the world.

Although Celtic have 53,000 season ticket holders (nearly double my team Spurs) you still don't have as much spending power in the transfer market as Spurs.

So lets get things into perspective here.....

Yes, Celtic and Rangers are great British clubs, with great history but because of the pathetic league you play in, you will never be as great as you once were. You play 3 or 4 games each season, Celtic Vs. Rangers x4

Im listening.....   ;)

Petrov is great on Champ! ;)

To compare him to EPL (top 6) centre midfielders is having a laugh though. Although I'm not sure Spurs count as top 6!  ;)

Petrov doesn't compare to at least 4 of the yiddos CM's. Although I'm still not sure how Micheal Brown gets a game there with your kabillion or so midfielders you have....

I am going to start a mock auction on ebay...

For Sale. Michael Brown and Andy " 2 Donner Kebabs, 3 chips and a Big Mac" Reid...

I doubt I get any bids over 14p


IMO Vieira was/is a better player than Keane... but Keane was great in his time.....

I'd have Keane although even with his rep. he has a lot of baggage at man u and i dont think he'd be as crazy at Celtic. We wouldnt get much time out of him but the experience he has would rub off on the younger players.
Keanes always said he'd love to end his career at Celtic so if he's willing to come at a cheap price, why the hell not?


mad

Now that's a whole new can of worms....

1) Vieira didn't do it in Europe.

2) Vieira has been poo the last season and a half - although I haven't seen him in Italy yet.

Keane's done it against the best year in year out and just edges it for me. That semi final vs Juve the year they won the treble he DOMINATED Zidane, Davids and Deschamps. It was the Roy Keane show. Never quite saw Vieira have quite the same impact. Close call though.

By the way 14p is steep.....

what about £1.50?

Lol, maybe I'd pay £1.50 to get them off the wage bill.....

1) Arsenal havent done it in europe.

2) I agree, I watched the Milan Juve game and Juve were terrible... him included

3) Wasn't Zidane injured in one of the legs(games), Deschamps suspended? It was his greatest moment in a Utd shirt

The 2nd leg all 3 were fit and playing. (Not sure about the 1st leg now that you mention it - but the first leg was a draw anyway right?) Keane played them off the park in my book. They dominated the first half of the first half but after that it was his game. Shame he got booked for the final.

I dont buy the Arsenal weren't good enough excuse. He still should have been dominant in his area of the park. He just hasn't turned up in Europe yet. Some guys are like that though..... look at Cantona.

(Stands back and waits to be abused......)

I heard Ferguson saying that Keanes the greatest midfielder in his generation.... Do you agree? Does Zidane fit into his generation?

I would say Zidane is the best midfielder I've seen.

Keano is a different type of midfielder though. If you were to ask zidane I'm sure he'd say he hasn't played many better than Keane.

IMO Zidane is the 2nd best player ever behind Maradona.

But thats another story..... 8) 8)

Where's Yoda gone?

 ^-^

I told him about Yoda's coolness... especially smoking a spliff. But he has decided to opt for the Fonz because of those Citroen adverts :D

Bah .. they are ok the first couple of times, then they just get on me mams...

Yoda of course will never go out of style :)

Take off the green tinted glasses... "Stilian Petrov would be a first team player in every EPL team with the exception of Chelsea, " ha ha, that is top drawer comedy in anybodys book. He isnt even close to being the best in the SPL, let alone the EPL.

Heid,

I am deeply moved by your concern for the greatest Jedi master ever - he will be back. It's just Fonzie's time.

Nem,

No mention of Pele? Heretic!

I await the Return of the Jedi!

(Empire was the best, however)

Damn right sugar!

If he isn't even close to being the best midfielder in Scotland, name five better?

Name 1 better

Nem I'll get back to you, busy at the mo  :)up

The Return of the Sith is my favourite. Have you seen it Heid?

For my sins I haven't even though I am a big old Star Wars fan - been a fan for years (I was 5 in 77 - no hope for me really)...I think I am a bit scared about watching it..cause then it will be the end (althoughthere is talk of a TV series).

It's my geek heart coming out :)

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"Stilian Petrov would be a first team player in every EPL team with the exception of Chelsea, but most of you prolly havent heard of him. Hes a better player than any of the 14 or so central midfielders on Spurs books (I'm not having a pop here  ) "

I know you're not trying to have a pop, but come on mate, lets have a reality check here... If Spurs wanted to buy him, we would. Jenas, Carrick, Davids or Petrov??? "You'll be alright"! Gazza went up to your league and use to score 20 goals a season ffs.

Also, if Petrov could fit into any EPL team except Chelsea, surely one of the other big 5 would've come in for him. The big 6 EPL teams all have a bigger transfer budget's than Rangers and Celtic combined (can pay higher wages) they also have a bigger turnover than Rangers and Celtic, and lets be honest if any top 6 EPL team wanted to buy him, he would definitely want to play in the Best league in the world.

Although Celtic have 53,000 season ticket holders (nearly double my team Spurs) you still don't have as much spending power in the transfer market as Spurs.

So lets get things into perspective here.....

Yes, Celtic and Rangers are great British clubs, with great history but because of the pathetic league you play in, you will never be as great as you once were. You play 3 or 4 games each season, Celtic Vs. Rangers x4

Im listening.....   

My point here is that my knowledge of EPL is much better than yours of SPL, which you would prolly admit. I have watched loads of EPL & have a season ticket at Celtic. I have been fortunate enough to have watched most of the top players & teams in Europe in the flesh including Edgar Davids. Based on my observations I think Petrov would get a game for any EPL team bar Chelsea. This is only an opinion & one which I accept most English footy fans would disagree with as I find most (not all) to be pretty insular in their footy outlook.
Most of middle to top EPL teams have enquired about Petrov at some point or other, for you to suggest that if Spurs wanted to buy him they would is pretty arrogant but also incorrect, I would doubt very much if Petrov would sign for Spurs (havent you enough CM players as it is  ;). You tried to sign one of our young strikers last year & couldnt manage that (btw his name is Craig Beattie I dont expect you've heard of him either 8))  The main reason for this is that Petrov is idolised by the fans & plays for one of the biggest clubs in Europe. Most EPL clubs would be a step downwards.

I accept the EPL is stronger than than the SPL, only a fool wouldnt but I also think it is a poor league this season, I mean you've got a Rugby League team in 2nd place ffs  :D. If Petrov was to leave it would be because of the poor standard of the league & not to go to a bigger club such as Spurs, Villa, Newcastle etc because non are even close to being on the same scale as Celtic. He would also leave with the fans best wishes as he does need to prove himself in a better league, he is only 25 & has plenty of good years ahead of him.

If (& its a big if) Celtic played in the EPL the only bigger club would be Man Utd in terms of turnover, revenue, stadia, merchandise etc. The reason for this is the Sky money, we get something like 2m gbp per season in TV money. Bottom clubs in the EPL are guarunteed 20m gbp.
If a top player knocks back Celtic its not because of the club, its the league, conversly many of the big European players didnt join Bolton, Middlesborough etc because they were big clubs its because the want to play in the suberbly marketed overhyped EPL. Now if we were to play in the EPL we could sign almost anyone we wanted.

The English will think I'm on drugs here but most of the Scots know I'm right.

I do agree our league is poor but this season has actually been pretty entertaining, Hearts & Hibs have improved greatly whilst Rangers are pretty poor (I'm being kind here, I dont want to tempt fate on the eve of an Old Firm match  :D) & we are going about our business quietly, playing some nice stuff & getting results after a dodgy start.

The 4 games a season thing is fair comment over the last decade but it looks to be different this season.

Anyway no one ever agrees about these things on MBs, I'll buy you a pint when I come down for the Blonde Bash in the New Year & we can talk about it then :cheers:

Why have you quoted me in blue writing?

I'm no Ger, reminds me of Chelsea <spits on floor>

Sorry dude just trying to distinguish between our earlier quotes

If I did it in white it would make less sense than it does in blue  :D

I'll change it to navy

Make it navy, like their shorts.

Ha Ha

Great minds think alike or is it fools seldom differ  8)

See you at the match tomorrow

Cmon the Hoops  ;applause;

Apparently the series is to be directed by Kevin Smith! Maybe Lucas does see sense after all?

For my money moving from a Celtic/Rangers to a Newcastle/Boro/Birmingham is a definate step upwards.

It's why Ferguson went to Blackburn, the other Ferguson went to Everton and why Boumsong went to Newcastle.

I'm sorry but Celtic and Rangers are only a step up from very, very few EPL clubs. Harsh but true.

Kevin Smith? Hmm ... someone must have taken George into a corner and beaten some sense into him!

Dear god I hope they don't make it really good, I can't go all foamer over SW to the same level again!

Does anyone know any details yet? Is it going to be New Republic or Old Republic?

I'm New Republic kinda gal myself :)

Heid
xx

Really dont know...

I know the EU stuff is what all the SW geeks want to be made but Lucas seems bent on going more old school and back to the past ie the stuff he himself has written.

There was also rumour of him doing a final film. He wanted it set 300yrs before TPM based totally around yoda! Man if I see that I could die happy.

I do like the EU stuff though!

Now a Yoda film would be very cool, really really cool.

I need to go and buy ROTS tomorrow now, don't I? <sigh>

Yes you do!

(and if you're a gamer play Knights of the Old Republic I and II - best RPG's ever!)

I managed to wean meself of em <g>

I'll get it tomorrow :)

Deary me, this could be dangerous :)

If it's true you should have plenty proof.

Man Utd beating Rangers twice recently in Europe sounds like good proof.
Celtic beating Liverpool doesn't.
Celtic beating Blackburn doesn't.
Rangers beating Leeds doesn't.

I know that last one is going back a while. So for something more recent, what's Spurs most recent result against Celtic? (Clue: Hoddle was in charge)

The proof is that the best Scottish players move here while the past it or average English players go the other way.

Whilst these one off results are great reading can they really be taken seriously? I don't think so.

The major scottish teams really struggle in Europe (except the odd Uefa Cup run) and if they played in England I doubt either Glawgow team would make Champions League qualification.

However even the 5th best team in England can become European Champions. The best teams in Scotland don't even stand a chance.

So results are less important than players?

On that basis the EPL is finished. Since Chelsea can afford to buy more good players than anyone else.

Ok results....

When was the last time a Scottish club made it through to the knockout stages of the Champions League?

(Not sure if I've mentioned it before but England's 5th best club won it last year!) ;)

So you want to compare Scotland to England by ignoring results against each other, but including results in competition against other teams?

By that measure Celtic are good enough to reach the Champions League final, since they gave Porto a much tougher game in the UEFA Final than Monaco managed in the Champions League final.

One off results don't concern me. Otherwise I'd just list every one off result from an English club over the years and I'd be here all night. I think looking at consistent results in Europe (the only place where both play) is a much better measure. How far do English clubs get Vs how far do Scottish clubs get? - I think we both know the answers there!

Celtic aren't good enough to get out of a Champions League GROUP. The only reason they made the Uefa Cup final is because it was exactly that - the Uefa Cup and not the Champions League!! They may have given Porto a better game than Monaco but the fact is Monaco have reached a Champions League final - Celtic haven't even gotten close.

Think your missing the point Baron

Its the league we play in that holds us back not the club itself. We cant & never will fulfill our potential whilst playing in the SPL, thats not goin to change any time soon so we just have to get on with it, meanwhile we are not competing on a level playing field.

What should be a major concern to the EPL is the next Sky deal. Its not gonna come even close to the present one (unless England win the WC) & a lot of clubs are goin to be hit in the pocket big time.

You're  just clutching at straws. When Spurs were owned by Alan Sugar, I use to always try and argue with the Arsenal fans. I use to try and say,"Yeah but we have Ruel Fox, Chris Armstrong etc..." when they used to say we have 4 world cup winners, Marc Overmars and we won the double. I was clutching at straws, just trying to save face for my former great club, just like Celtic. But the reality of it is this, Chris Sutton cost Chelsea £10,000,000. He scored 1 goal for Chelsea out of 33 stars and then they sold him to Celtic (LOL) His first season playing for Celtic he scored 14 times out of 36.

Your league is just rubbish! :D :D

Yes, you have a big ground,very very strong fanactical support but the big 6 EPL teams will all have bigger grounds than Celtic within 10 years, all the EPL teams are growing bigger and bigger, whilst Celtic are just where they were. They've (Celtic) always had a big ground 50-60k each week, even 15 years ago you were still having 57,000.  as for "if we get into the EPL" well, if my Mum had a cock, she could be my Dad! You're simply not going to get into the greatest league in the world becuase you're are Scottish, not English. The Old Firm had more chance getting into the English top division 20 years ago when there was no money in football and devolution was unheard of.  :)up :)up

Agreed to some extent. As no one channel can buy all 6 packages at the next TV rights sale I think revenue will drop. No two ways about it. However on the world stage English football is still booming. Add to this the fact the the EPL teams are the biggest contributors to Champions League revenue (fact - Doilette 2005) then all I can see is a bright future for English football.

The only point I was responding to was the one about EPL teams being a step down from the SPL's big two - a statement no one in their right mind can agree with.

As they say, there's lies, damned lies & statistics. In 9 years in England Sutton scored 2 European goals. He's scored 16 in 5 years at Celtic (including against Blackburn & Barcelona).

Your judging a great striker on 1 bad year in a team who's style didn't suit him. What about when he was partnering Shearer & ripping up the EPL?

Quote games to goals, not years in the league to goals LOL :D :D

"Your judging a great striker"

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

"What about when he was partnering Shearer & ripping up the EPL?"

That was 10 years ago ffs! 8) 8)

This could run and run. Let's have another shot at it.....


Celtic Park has a CURRENT capacity of over 60,000. The ground is only three-quarters developed.

The board has stated previously that the final stage of redevelopment will only occur when demand merits it. Which in their eyes would probably only occur upon joining some sort of British or European league.

The likely final capacity would be over 70,000, and perhaps as high as 80,000.

As for EPL teams growing bigger and bigger....

The most recent State of the Game report (http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/index?region=global&news_item_id=158888) states that the EPL is "experiencing a growing crisis with stagnant attendances and a lack of a competitive balance".

Decent Post, but!

"The board has stated previously that the final stage of redevelopment will only occur when demand merits it. Which in their eyes would probably only occur upon joining some sort of British or European league."

Like I said in my previous post, the likely hood of Celtic joing a Euro league or a British league are as slim as a anorexic piece of paper.

" The most recent State of the Game report (http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/index?region=global&news_item_id=158888) states that the EPL is "experiencing a growing crisis with stagnant attendances and a lack of a competitive balance".

What I mean is the top 6 Big clubs in the EPL are getting bigger and bigger and soon the big 6 will have gate attendences as big as they were pre war (1930-1939)

Here is a table (http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html) showing that "Stagnant attendances" are only represented by the smaller clubs. Notice that 5 of the 6 big clubs attendences average over 99% capacity.

Don't be so confident.  8)

Insider info CSC No 1

Half of the world's top 20 richest clubs are British. 8 of those are English.

I'm not sure Celtic make the top 10 and I'm pretty sure Rangers are 19th or 20th.

I'll see if I can find the table for you - but to say big English clubs are a step down from the big Scottish two is a joke. Rangers are about as rich as Villa! (No offence Snoop!) Celtic are around the Spurs/Newcastle/Liverpool area.

Now taking this into consideration, you're better off playing for the English equivalent of your Scottish club as it's a better league.

The Deloitte Football Money League – 2003/04 season


Rank (Prior year) Club Income (In millions)
1 (1)
 Manchester United
 €259.0
 
2 (4)
 Real Madrid
 236.0
 
3 (3)
 AC Milan
 222.3
 
4 (10)
 Chelsea
 217.0
 
5 (2)
 Juventus
 215.0
 
6 (7)
 Arsenal
 173.6
 
7 (13)
 Barcelona
 169.2
 
8 (6)
 Internazionale
 166.5
 
9 (5)
 Bayern Munich
 166.3
 
10 (8)
 Liverpool
 139.5
 
11 (9)
 Newcastle United
 136.6
 
12 (11)
 AS Roma
 108.8
 
13 (18)
 Celtic
 104.2
 
14 (16)
 Tottenham Hotspur
 100.1
 
15 (15)
 SS Lazio
 99.4
 
16 (n/a)
 Manchester City
 93.5
 
17 (14)
 Schalke 04
 91.4
 
18 (n/a)
 Olympique Marseille
 88.0
 
19 (n/a)
 Rangers
 86.2
 
20 (n/a)
 Aston Villa
 84.4
 
Source: Deloitte Football Money League

I take it back. Even with their superior capacity, the Celtic "brand" still makes 30 million Euros less than Newcastle and almost 40 million Euros less than Liverpool. Huge step down there.

Notice the leagues that these top 20 play in

All are dominated by huge TV contracts

One does not

Still clucthing at straws...... 8) 8) 8)

Still not getting it...  ;) ;) ;)

Villa are 19th.

SO.

to recap.
ON THE CLUB
celtic are a huge club in a small league who punch above their weight because of that league
Nemesis thinks most of the epl are bigger and various figures get flung around which can be read, misread or ignored. he also thinks that they will never get out of scotland. I suspect he also thinks the spl cannot possibly be of a decent level or be able to attract and hold good players which is a wee bit unkind
the scots point out that as a club celtic are bigger than most of these already and with revenue gain from being in another league(british, world, european) would very quickly overtake most with the exception of man utd. As it stands they are 13th whilst being in a small league hence the view that given access to a bigger revenue scheme with a level financial playing ground celtic would grow exponentially.

Phew..still with me :)up

THE PLAYERS

SUTTON is either a dud or a prolific success story in europe over a prolongued period...a discussion that is not worth getting into

Now meanwhile back at the ranch, ROY KEANE who the thread was about is smokin dope and thinking celtic or any other club are going to pay 90k to get him >:?

now there is a real loony.....the rest of this thread is just chewin the kud :cheers:

have a gooood evening folks

 ;applause; :respect: ;applause;

great post patman

at last a voice of reason amongst the madness..

...this thread should end with this sensible tone

raab

What madness?

us lot ...imagine us all in a boozer...it`d be pandemonium...and hilarious in turns

We agree Nemesis  :D

 :goodpost: Pat

OK, I'm going to make this my final post on the subject, since we could go on and on for years and never agree on this.


That's your belief. The Celtic board seem to feel differently. Dermot Desmond is putting another £10m of his £800m fortune into Celtic. He isn't doing it for charitable purposes.


That's the current snapshot. If we pose a scenario where in the next two or three years, Chelsea win the league comfortably each season, while also taking more than their fair share of cups, the Glazers are forced to sell Rooney to Barca or Real to pay off part of their debts, and Arsenal are struggling to pay the bills on Ashburton Grove, do you think attendances will be rising and TV fees will be so healthy?

For years English commentators have criticised Scotland for being a two team league. This season Scotland looks like a three team league - with Rangers not even included - while England shows signs of becoming a 1 team league.

How long before Hills, Ladbrokes and co. start offering 'EPL without Chelsea' bets?

Your comments are all "What if"

OK. Final, final, final comment......

Time will tell.

I'm sorry but all the stats and facts point to the EPL being a 5/6 team league in the future not a 1 team league.

"What if"'s are good in theory but no use in reality.

And now a mildly amusing song about Roy Keane's departure:

http://www.todayfm.com/Article.asp?id=16682

and the "Leave Right Now"