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Title: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: TightEnd on October 29, 2008, 04:32:06 PM $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:21:41 ET - 2008/10/29
Seat 1: Tilty Tilterton ($226.50) Seat 2: Natrykris ($221.75) Seat 3: mu_mascot ($150.80) Seat 4: Eljine ($84) Seat 5: Trip7dan ($279.45) Seat 6: Iamfishy ($40) Seat 7: jolohu ($493.35) Seat 8: justincred ($447.80) Seat 9: jasonizer23 ($34) Tilty Tilterton posts the small blind of $1 Natrykris posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #9 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Natrykris [ Tc 7s ] mu_mascot has 15 seconds left to act mu_mascot calls $2 Eljine folds Trip7dan folds jolohu folds justincred folds jasonizer23 folds Tilty Tilterton folds Natrykris checks *** FLOP *** [ 4c 7c Td ] Natrykris bets $5 mu_mascot has 15 seconds left to act mu_mascot raises to $10 Natrykris has 15 seconds left to act Natrykris raises to $35 mu_mascot raises to $148.80, and is all in Foe has just come to the table, no stats of any meaning yet. Has lost first major pot when rr pre vs my AK and folding on a K high flop to a c/raise Range to my mind is nut clubs, limped over-pair, set. Anything else? Given this, its a call? Is my "pot" three bet on the flop correct in your opinion? Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: DaveShoelace on October 29, 2008, 04:41:20 PM Im amazed you didnt press fold, followed by the 'do you know checking is free' button, with this hand pre flop.
In short, get the money in, I think you are giving your opponent way too much credit. I dont think you see a set very often here at all, probably pair and a draw most of the time (which we like as you have a club in your hand) and a limped overpair now and then too. And yeah, I dont mind you trying to pot all the money in on the flop, you have top two, but its a shit top two and there are so many bad turns that Oh and the guy doesnt even have a full stack, therefore, he is a donk, ship it. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: gatso on October 29, 2008, 04:46:28 PM In short, get the money in, I think you are giving your opponent way too much credit. I dont think you see a set very often here at all, probably pair and a draw most of the time (which we like as you have a club in your hand) and a limped overpair now and then too. which hands are you putting oppo on that are a pair and a draw? Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: DaveShoelace on October 29, 2008, 04:51:41 PM In short, get the money in, I think you are giving your opponent way too much credit. I dont think you see a set very often here at all, probably pair and a draw most of the time (which we like as you have a club in your hand) and a limped overpair now and then too. which hands are you putting oppo on that are a pair and a draw? Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. I should have said combo draw, rather than pair and a draw, he could a 56 of clubs. He is a non full stack that just completed the bb, I think he is poised to have a wide range of shit here and pair and draw makes sense given flop action, I guess he could easily have KQ, KJ of clubs etc etc. Scrub 'pair and draw' and make it 'big draw' such as a combo draw, overcard flush draw etc. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: MC on October 29, 2008, 04:56:32 PM Think you've played it correctly, and you have to call.
AT definitely a possibility plus a number of draws. 44 is the only likely hand you're behind with (given that you have T7 and tens would probs raise anyway) Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: AndrewT on October 29, 2008, 04:59:16 PM I think you have to call - throw up when he shows 44 (as much as I keep thinking that flop min-raises from random $1/$2 players can't just be sets, they tend to just be sets when I call)
BTW, what kind of nitty table is this - the UTG limper gets no callers? Table selection FTW. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: gatso on October 29, 2008, 05:15:59 PM Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. that's what I thought you meant but that would be a foul deck as tighty has the Tc. holding that 1 card on this board makes it much more likely that oppo has us crushed here as it removes all pair plus draw hands that tend to 4b ai here Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: DaveShoelace on October 29, 2008, 05:33:21 PM Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. that's what I thought you meant but that would be a foul deck as tighty has the Tc. holding that 1 card on this board makes it much more likely that oppo has us crushed here as it removes all pair plus draw hands that tend to 4b ai here Ooops, yeah good point, missed that slightly glaringly obvious part. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: AlexMartin on October 29, 2008, 06:12:47 PM Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. that's what I thought you meant but that would be a foul deck as tighty has the Tc. holding that 1 card on this board makes it much more likely that oppo has us crushed here as it removes all pair plus draw hands that tend to 4b ai here yeah i thought that too when i just read it, but still, fold here if you hate money. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: gatso on October 29, 2008, 07:20:46 PM Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. that's what I thought you meant but that would be a foul deck as tighty has the Tc. holding that 1 card on this board makes it much more likely that oppo has us crushed here as it removes all pair plus draw hands that tend to 4b ai here yeah i thought that too when i just read it, but still, fold here if you hate money. I still call, it's just it's a lot closer. with any other 10 in my hand it's an instacall as the draw is so much more likely, with the club I probs at least think about it Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 29, 2008, 07:32:31 PM Well, AT,Kt,Qt,Jt,9t of clubs make sense, but any random two clubs with a ten in their hand here. that's what I thought you meant but that would be a foul deck as tighty has the Tc. holding that 1 card on this board makes it much more likely that oppo has us crushed here as it removes all pair plus draw hands that tend to 4b ai here yeah i thought that too when i just read it, but still, fold here if you hate money. I still call, it's just it's a lot closer. with any other 10 in my hand it's an instacall as the draw is so much more likely, with the club I probs at least slowroll FYP Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: TightEnd on October 29, 2008, 07:49:48 PM thanks fellas so I called
Natrykris calls $113.80 mu_mascot shows [ Kc 5c ] Natrykris shows [ Tc 7s] *** TURN *** [ 4s] *** RIVER *** [ 3s ] mu_mascot shows a pair of Fours Natrykris shows two pair, Tens and Sevens Natrykris wins the pot ($299.60) with two pair, Tens and Sevens Fella goes onto the buddy list! Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 29, 2008, 07:54:30 PM sigh, all this for a fkin brag! :D
Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: TightEnd on October 29, 2008, 07:55:20 PM sigh, all this for a fkin brag! :D no no not at all, I almost passed actually and wanted to double check it (the thought process, nitty as ever) Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: AlexMartin on October 30, 2008, 07:07:32 AM thanks fellas so I called Natrykris calls $113.80 mu_mascot shows [ Kc 5c ] Natrykris shows [ Tc 7s] *** TURN *** [ 4s] *** RIVER *** [ 3s ] mu_mascot shows a pair of Fours Natrykris shows two pair, Tens and Sevens Natrykris wins the pot ($299.60) with two pair, Tens and Sevens Fella goes onto the buddy list! why? imagine if everytime he jams a draw ppl are thinking about folding 2 pair! Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: action man on October 30, 2008, 12:52:33 PM thanks fellas so I called Natrykris calls $113.80 mu_mascot shows [ Kc 5c ] Natrykris shows [ Tc 7s] *** TURN *** [ 4s] *** RIVER *** [ 3s ] mu_mascot shows a pair of Fours Natrykris shows two pair, Tens and Sevens Natrykris wins the pot ($299.60) with two pair, Tens and Sevens Fella goes onto the buddy list! why? imagine if everytime he jams a draw ppl are thinking about folding 2 pair! was thinking the exact same as alex. i like his play post. Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: snoopy1239 on October 30, 2008, 02:20:57 PM This is a call. I expect most online pro's would agree. His range is too wide. Folding is way too nitty.
Title: Re: Top two to a 4bet, Full ring Post by: Thekellster89 on October 30, 2008, 03:45:15 PM call for me
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