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Every channel I've seen describe Lewis Hamilton in this way. Why?? It's almost bordering on racism.

To say 'Barak Obama, first black president of USA', is ok, cos it's completely relevant in a country which only fairly recently liberated black people, let alone letting them run the country. But F1?

rant over. Please let me know if I missed something that let even the BBC talk in these terms. :( 


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7673955.stm

"He is the first black F1 driver, let alone the first black driver to have won a major championship, and that will be of interest to a great many people."
Why? What an idiot.

yeah its pathetic.

but he is the first black F1 driver?

yeah, I think this is the main reason they're saying it

the guy's suceeded in a white dominated sport, if you think that he had an equal playing field as there is no prejudice in this country or in the sport then you're living on another planet tbh

btw, do you realise how easily your own words could be construed as racist?

He is the first black guy to win the championship, just like tiger woods was the first black golfer to win a major. Its just a headline, time will pass and we will not be worried about this thread in the future.

I ain't gonna live in a world of refuse sacks and chalk boards.

The word is black, black black black black black.
It's not racist to say the word black.
Lewis Hamilton is black.

wtf is the problem?

racist ban IMO

I'd love to see what would be reported if a White bloke broke the 100m world record! Would White be in front of everything?! That's probably physically not possible though.

Or if there were to be a white heavyweight boxing champ.

it would be: "the first white man since"................

it would be extraordinary if a wite guy did that these days and should be reported as so IMO

they're all white these days arnt they, all the russians

Obv drug test.

are they?

I know shit all about boxing tbh.

I can 100% guarentee that if a white man broke the 100m record the fact he is white would not be reported on of this i'm absolutely sure therefore why is it reported that Lewis is black,it seems fair to say he's the 1st black f1 champ as that's a FACT but at the same time why wouldn't it be mentioned if it was the other way around is it because black people are still seen as a minority i really hope not and since there's a good chance in just over 24 hours Barack Obama will be the most powerful man in the world i would say we certainly live in a different world today were most people outwardly suggest that skin color doesn't mater but deep down am not so sure that's how they really feel.

wrong FACT

They might not say white, they might say non-black

It's fooking big news either way like

ffs will you just stop saying black, you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself, i'm offended on so many levels!

lol, it so would

i heard paul ince referred to on the tele as 'the first black english manager in the premier league'

pathetic imo.

was it true?

What's pathetic in your opinion celtic mate the fact there's this discussion or the fact he's reffered to as black,just wondering ?

Gatso do you think the headline would say White man whoever breaks the world record this would not happen

the fact that in 2008, someone on a sportd tv show has to point out that he is the first black english manager. what does it matter? Gullit was never referred to as the first black dutch manager etc etc

yes but he wasn't the first black manager of any nationality as that was jean tigana

lolz, no, not phrased like that in the same way that today's headlines aren't 'black man hamilton is world champ'

however 'mondatoo becomes first white 100m wr holder in 120 years' would be fine

Black pioneers are celebrated as heroes. Twas ever thus. It's so not racist to describe someone as being the first black to do a certain thing.
To describe Lewis Hamilton as being the first black F1 champ is a celebration, and if anyone doesn't read it as such then they're probably the racist, and and they want to project their own bigotry (which they can't admit to themselves because it offends their liberal sensibilities) onto other people.

They only difference is saying hamilton is a man which i don't think anyone can have a problem with

I don't find describing him as black f1 driver instead of just f1 driver is neccesarily racist just why mention it at all is the issue for me ?

what about if i said sally gunnell was the first black man to win an olympic gold medal in archery?

actually, we've done this one before haven't we. I remember now, the first black british prem league manager was actually chris hughton so all the ince stuff was bollocks

Sally Gunnell .. classic BOBFOC.

ah well now it's racist then

so why do you care? he's also being described as the first british wc since hill. why does him being british matter? is that also an issue for you? will it bother you if kubica wins one and is the first polish world champion? it shouldn't matter what country he's from should it?

A headline saying "first black man..." is very different from a headline that just says "black man..."

DUCY?

I don't so much care but just query why the fact he's black is relevant that is all ????? Saying he's british may be relevant to those that don't no who he is and can't tell this by looking at a picture of him in a newspaper


Yes i do c y

because if it starts "first black man...." you know it's not going to be crime related?

This thread doesnt make sense.

He is black, this is true.

And he's the first black guy to win it.

= truth. jar.

ducy.

racist ban imo

Correct use of punctuation...   ;topofclass;




Correct use of random mong dots....    ;djinn;



ducy?

Who gives a shit the little fucker cost me a fortune, i say lynch him!

I'm up for it.

After we string up bolt, let's get Lewis Hamilton too. I read in the paper he was black.

could've cost you a lot more if instead of going conservative they'd gone for the constructor's champ as well. surely ferrari got you out

Yeah that was a big win for me but i had traded it out so no swing, pussy me

Excuse me, that's blatant discrimination against a perfectly valid punctuation form, that I overuse horribly...

I am a fan of mong dottage.....

Ruud Gullit isn't black,news to me.

Blame Glock it was his fault.

Don't be surprised to see Glock in a Mclaren in a couple of years. Biggest fix I've ever seen.

Anyone hear the Vanessa show BBC Londone radio?

It's now a question of what is black? Are you black if you are of mixed race.... Both Obama and Hamilton have white mothers....

So there is now a huge furore over whether either of them can technically claim the title of first black president /  F1 champ....

Anyone slightly perplexed as to why it matters so much?

I did remember reading a report about gangs in schools in London recently where mixed race kids had the worst of it, because the white kids wouldn't want them, as they considered them to be black, and the black gangs wouldn't have them either because they were too white.

Very similar to what I read about South Africa during and after the apartheid regime.  Those from an Asian background (by Asian I mean the Indian sub-continent) were not given the same rights as whites during apartheid, but were also sort of 'missed out' after apartheid when the new system was introduced that favoured the black majority. 

que?

Does that mean if i backed Female president before Black president i am still in the hunt?

you'll never find anyone to take the bet cos it's racist

Ruud Gullit was the first black premiership manager, no?

I'm not sure anyone said otherwise did they?

If Whoopi Goldberg becomes President will the bet be settled under the dead heat rules?

Now being alleged that Hamilton was involved in race-fixing, tabloids suggesting that those who throw such allegations must have racist motivations. Obv, since he's the first black F1 champion...

lol at that.

Anyone who watched it and has actually looked at how many seconds Glock managed to lose in that last lap has to be suspicious.

I know he was on different tyres and all that blah blah blah but no one else on dry tyres went 28 seconds slower on their final lap.

Doesn't matter what colour the guy is there will always be a cloud over this championship because it was so dodgy.

Similar to every other year to be fair but that's another story.

Level ?

Tyres make a huge difference there's absolutely no doubt about the integrity of the result unless you believe every conspiracy theory that exists

this is true if you ignore the facts. trulli was the only other driver on slicks and he was actually fractionally slower than glock on the last lap

You mean apart from the other Toyota who turned an identical lap time who was the only other car still on dry tyres.

YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2HbDt8Z5mKA (3mins in) Doesn't look like Glock is trying to block, he says he didn't even know Hamilton was there...

Identical lap times,now that's suspicious. Strip him of the championship imo

1.44.731 (glock) and 1.44.800 (trulli)

can he keep the title now?

Premature jubilation imo

YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0PxngXfhvA  lolz

Guess you didn't read my last post ?

err, yes I did

But you didn't realise my last post was obviously sarcastic,as i said there is absolutely no doubt in the integrity of the result

No

or more to the point you didn't realise my reply to your sarcasm was sarcastic

That's far to clever for me  ;)

Just looked at race times, what a joke, rigged so hard.

watching soccer saturday jeff stelling upon hearing theres a late goal in portsmouth game: "portsmouth have been bettering them, hit the bar twice, had chance after chance in the second half and have completely dominated......... so you just KNOW which way this ones gone" he says with a resinged smile on his face..........................then looks at charlie nicholas who replies with no hint of sarcasm:"OOOOOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOOOOUUUUU DOOOOOOOOONT JEFF, it's gooone to wigan"!!!!!!

*cut back to jeff looking disbelievingly at the camera*

"yeah that's what i was getting at charlie"

No it wasn't.

See the posts above. It was clearly a fair and moral victory and I am in no way bitter about losing a small fortune on that little Brazilian fella.

You backed Robinho to win?  ;dingdell;

Surely if it was rigged, they'd have concocted something a little less complicated than a driver slowing down due to very heavy rain?

That's the only saving grace.

A spin would've been less obvious.

Maybe I'm wrong but it looks dodgy as hell imo.

Weather rigged, F1 v v hi tech these dayz.

Lmao.

It was worth losing loads of money for that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7715016.stm

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao :o :o ;dingdell; ;dingdell;

Berlusconi - never has there been a more upstanding and principled politician. 

 :)up Should help solve UK Mortgage crisis, starting from the top down.

I've seen plenty of Bushisms, must get a list of Berlusconiisms compiled:

1. He sparked a minor diplomatic incident in 2005 by suggesting he had wooed Finnish President Tarja Halonen to ensure her backing for Italy to host the European Food Safety Authority.

"I had to use all my playboy tactics, even if they have not been used for some time," he said, prompting Helsinki to call in the Italian ambassador to explain the comments.

2. Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has landed himself in hot water with comments that the Chinese under Mao Zedong "boiled babies".

3. "The West will continue to conquer peoples, even if it means a confrontation with another civilisation, Islam, firmly entrenched where it was 1,400 years ago."

4. "Italy is now a great country to invest in... today we have fewer communists and those who are still there deny having been one. Another reason to invest in Italy is that we have beautiful secretaries... superb girls."

5. "I am the Jesus Christ of politics."

6. To German MEP Martin Schulz, at start of Italy's EU presidency in July 2003:
"I know that in Italy there is a man producing a film on Nazi concentration camps - I shall put you forward for the role of Kapo (guard chosen from among the prisoners) - you would be perfect."