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Villain is pretty nitty tag. 19/14/3. Have a note that says he can turn a made hand into a bluff and overbet shoves enormous hands on the river.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 456151349 *****
NL $1/$2 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 16, 04:07:46 GMT 2008
Table Oxygen 60 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of active players : 4
Seat 1: MIKESSS3 ( $97 )
Seat 2: brucio ( $202.25 )
Seat 3: JammyJenny ( $445.35 )
Seat 4: Aidfingers ( $266.28 )
Seat 6: hadaway ( $53.50 )
brucio posts small blind [$1]
JammyJenny posts big blind [$2]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [ Js, Ts ]
Aidfingers folds
MIKESSS3 calls [$2]
brucio raises to [$8]
JammyJenny calls [$6]
MIKESSS3 calls [$6]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Kh, Qc ]
brucio bets [$24]
JammyJenny calls [$24]
MIKESSS3 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
brucio checks
JammyJenny checks
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
brucio checks
JammyJenny bets [$50]
brucio goes all-in
brucio raises to [$170.25]

fwiw i fold as it looks to me like he either flopped top 2 pr or kkk/qqq. Like i think u said in another post they rarely make these kinda plays on river at a lowish lims without the nuts

fold fold fold

though i call if it's 2005 ;)

Yeah the flop should smack his range pretty hard right? So when he checks the turn I reckon he is checking his monster or trying to see a cheap river card for his flush, either way you are fooked.

Buy in for $80 then who gives a fuck about making decisions.

Why the value bet on the river?

Against a nitty player what are you hoping to be called with on this board?

Surely you have to vbet the river here. And FWIW I probs call him on the river too.

Then again I think i am a terrible cash player.

AA/AK/AQ.

It seems a big risk against this player especially with the notes you have on him. I can't see him calling with AK or AA given that the river has just filled up so many draws.

I can understand value betting a decent flush because I think a straight or a worse flush may call but here I think you only get called by AQ or a hand that beats you.

Any other hand he's either passing or shoving. He may even turn AQ in to a bluff and shove it.

Have you played against him a lot? If you have then maybe he's got notes on you too. If you have a habit of bluffing the river when it comes a scary card then maybe you can call him here because he thinks you're at it but has no showdown value in his hand.

There's just too much out there beating you. I think it's a pass as played but personally I just pussy check the river.

I think this is pretty tough spot given your notes on him... Especially as I'm not sure how often people take this line with a monster?! He has to be pretty sure of your hand to check the river and I would think most of the time he leads with hands that beat you?? (you would know better than me on this tho!)

There are more made hand combos that he could turn into a bluff than 'nut' hands, so dont think calling is bad based on your read

Seems like a standard bet/fold to me.

Lol, this^

Based on your read, I believe bet/pass is correct here...

i did fold, but it got me thinking that this might be exploitable.

Villain knows im kinda forced to play very faceup on the flop as its 4way, the only draw i can have is J10 realistically and the only made hand i can have which can call a river CR shove is KQ, which is unlikely as i didnt 3b pre.

As so much of my range has to vbet the river, and so little can call a cr shove, which villain should realise, i kinda think i might have levelled myself given that he is repping exactly QQ and KK and is checking the turn AND the river?? I think its a sick line as a bluff anyway, but we will sadly never know.   

whatever you do dont announce it to the table your folding that hand otherwise your gonna get owned badly in the future. brucio has taken a bit of a wierd line by checking the river, so i call his river raise as most players arnt capable of checking the river with the nuts.

Why is it weird? What can possibly call him if he's got the nuts?

Unless he puts Alex on the nut flush or worse full house which he's got no reason to he's getting nothing from his bet.

Betting £50 probably gets a fold, betting £25 looks so suspicious it's only ever getting a call never a raise.

The check gives the oppo a chance to steal or value bet exactly the kind of hands that could possibly call any bet he makes.

He can then raise in to a much bigger pot meaning he's more likely to get a call and even if he doesn't he's got more out of it than if he'd bet.

Good play by oppo I think whether he had it or not.

I actually think he's repping KK exactly, hypothetically knows my range is QX, J10 or some weird gutshot float and a river CR max's value from a combined range of big hand vbets +air bluffs. Since then iv looked at him in HEM and he had KK, his win $ @ showdown is immense and he hasnt bluffed off a single  complete buyin over 2k hands.
 

most 1/2 players will just look at their cards and go ooo i have a full house i bet.... not i wonder what they have have how can i get the most money.

if he never bluffs or not capable of bluffing then its defo bet/fold, but your new statement is very different from your op.

How many players at this level are capable of bluffing like this on the river?

who said hes bluffing he might be raising for value with a worse or same hand

He's raising for value on a paired, 3 diamon baord with a worse hand?

ive seen alot worse

888.com u say? lol

this should help

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0pF-PtJKo