blonde poker forum

I have looked over at all the comments about me and I appreciate all
the attention, I am disappointed that some comments were deleted, I am
very cool with anyone saying anything they like about me.

One thing is for sure
I did not change and become somebody else during the Monte Carlo
Millions. I was as I always am when there is so much pressure and such
a high profile event.  Poker to me is a sport I love the game and most
important I love to win. To get an edge I am loud and intimidating and if
I knock you out and I think you are a good player I may rub it in
after all I will be coming up against you again. I will not swear or
abuse you looks or family It will all be about poker. Also in the heat
of the moment I lose control and sometimes I wish I did not but at the
end of the day I am the way I am. Everyone is welcome to hate me or
love me. I know one thing so far I have loved to play poker and have
enjoyed this game immensely, I will continue to be me and I hope that
all can respect that.

Most interesting comment was from Dave that I am an
"Embarrassment to Blonde Poker"

This could be true but as I say again I was always like this, Dave was
with me in final table in Paris  I believe I was worse there. IF you
have a problem with me knocking out and abusing the Hendon Mob players
I am amazed. This is what I said to Ram after he was trapped bluffing
me. "I love to knock the mobsters out"  With the mob I have a very
long history and I seriously would question anyone that could be upset
by me abusing one of these poor guys after getting a beating from me.
These people are the 4 best European players they represent Europe in
Monaco against USA they play for free they are real professionals. Ram
can take it I know that, I love Ram he is great for the game also he
is a very very good poker player. I am sure Ram is cool with me, the
rest of the mob are a joke to poker the results speak for them selfs.
They might be good guys but they are terrible poker players.

Camel had some nice things to say about me as well, I can not wait
till I get the camel on my table hope you can scrape the buy in together.
And hey why are you not in Moncao wa***** like you can only sit at home
and abuse people like me. You know me better then to take a cheap shot
at me Camel.

Most important thing off all to me is that Poker is a sport and its
rough out there its tough and nasty on the felt. But after the poker is over we
are all human beings with compassion remorse and feelings. I do not
take what happens on the poker table home. I have many interests
outside playing poker and I hope that there is room in the poker game
for somebody like me, after all we humans are different in so many
ways. Ram said this to me " Your a showman and the game needs a
showman"

Tony, I did say during the update that I tought that the way that you behaved was a disgrace.

I stand by that and would say the same thing to your face.

You are a high profile player, and as such you have a responsibility to younger players to set a good example.

I personally would not like to see our local cardrooms full of people behaving like you and Phil Hellmuth do.

Give me John Juanda and Phil Ivey behave-a-likes any day

Hi Guys,

Just want to post a brief thing here, before everyone shoots off (mind the puns!). Whilst I am a bti shocked at Tony's choice of words against a fellow player away from the table, I am sure that he meant it with his tongue firmly in his cheek, and as such, he is merely making a point.

We don't like insults being thrown on Blonde, as you all know, and we'd like it to stay that way :)

You can shout at me if you like, that's me job :)

Heid
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PS It's very cold here :)

 :redcard:  Totally uncalled for!

tony I admire your balls for making this statement, I have never seen anyone as emotional as you at a poker table.  When I first heard of the occurances at monte carlo i was not happy. However there is banter like that going on in every homegame going all over the world. You are very entertaining player tony, but sometimes you have to think of the opponents in situations where your behavior may be deemed ungentlemanly.  I know you are a world class player and imo you don't need the edge from winding players up at the table, it just makes them determined to try extra hard next time you meet. What i admire about you the most is that you speak from your heart and never hide a thing, rather like a man who you comment on in the above statement.

I think it's cheap all of the people who don't know someone writing cheap shots about an event they are getting written reports about.  Believe me  the abuse I took for defending someone just showed what the true colors are behind the people posting anonymously.  You have to understand other people can be very jealous of your accomplishments.  The fact that nobody comes online posting hate about the homeless guys yelling obcenities and telling you that you're going to hell illustrate this point, or in a poker poker sense the railbirds looking for a buyin.

Believe me, even if you are friendly with everyone and never show emotion people still won't like you.  As someone who is young and fairly successful I see what abuse me and my friends take on a daily basis for no reason.  It's something you just have to live with. 

 As for Dave being angry with you, maybe that is a problem as I have yet to see him out of line.  But maybe this time you both were, I don't know.   I wasn't there to judge, he was.

It's one of those things, camel was far out of line first. 

Tony i admire you as a player and a personality, I think a lot of the 'clique' here have gone a bit too far with their comments against you. A 'Disgrace' to the forum you certinly are not.

On the other hand, what you did is maybe a bit carried away. Like i said im a big fan of yours, the first internet poker name i used 4 years ago was 'TonyG'!! But please dont get caught up in this...calling camel a wanker isnt going to get you far is it?

Everyone should chill the !£%* out and stop making a mountain out of a molehole. Rubdowns happen in EVERY sport. Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson are just the same. ITS THEIR TACTICS. Its EXACTLY the same principle in Poker. Trying to get that edge on your opponents.

Tony you have acted irrisponsibly but i feel the top dogs gere just havent been fair to you. Thats my opinion.

Ben

Andy Wards blog -
Friday, November 18, 2005 - Come To The Dark Side
In it he asks for someone to step up and become a villian of poker! I guess you read it eh tony?
Say what you want at the table and gl in the future. The only people who should have a problem are the ones you say it to.
Doesn't it bother you that they might be gunning for you at the table in the future? I guess not as thats the point of doing it

Sorry?  I don't remember Camel calling Tony disgusting names.

I'm not going to get into a slanging match with anyone, but at the end of the day, I was embarrassed that Tony acted the way he did and that people reading the forum associated him with Blonde.

I love this site and I'd hate for it to be clouded in that way!

I may be a nice person away from work, but anything I do in work reflects on the company I work for, so if I abused a customer it would give this place a bad name, something I would be disciplined for.  OK, so Tony didn't abuse a 'customer', but he was abusive at a table and he is associated with Blonde - that in my book makes us look bad!

Rant over!  Going to health food shop for KALMS!

Trace i dont think the people who called Tony a 'disgrace' etc etc acted very appropriately either.

In my opinion its six one half a dozen of the other. Yes Tony is out of order for calling camel a wanker and maybe so for his rubdowns. But everyone in the poker world this is how Tony plays, this is his game. It has been for 10+ years.

Tony has been a valuable member of the forum and any matters regarding his behaviour shoul have been dealt with 'off forum'. It doesnt make Tony look good in front of all our new forum members. It has all been blown way way out of proportion and i think the matter shouldnt even need re-adressing.

I am  inclined to agree with your logic, but I'm not sure he abused anyone.  All we have heard is hearsay.

God I could be at this all day -  my (hopefully) last comment.

Dave Colclough was embarrassed by this, I'm sure he isn't one to make things up - he was there, he saw, he heard!

EH ??

embarassed by what? Dave of all people should know the attitude Tony has at the poker table, in fact, i kinda like the way Tony plays! At the end of the day im only lawyering for Tony, Im not condoning his behavior just ifeel everyone seems to be taking sides and that simply isnt fair

sorry about spelling and punctuation. my keyboard skills are doggy doo today

Most important thing of all Camel is that I do not set an example to young players on the poker table. I set an example off the poker table.

LMAO  sunday   so you arent "taking sides" then

I'm NOT trying to take sides.

I'm TRYING to PROTECT BLONDE POKER!

What i mean CK is that everybody seems to be so against him! Like i said i dont think he has acted appropriately but then again i dont think some of the big dogs here have either.

If they have a problem with Tony there is a PM service on here and im sure they have telephone numbers. Publicly slating someone in that way is, in my opinion, out of order.

Someone needs to try and defend him!

With respect Tony, you were "OFF" the poker table when you called Camel a W***** and questioned his financial ability to play in monte carlo.

Im sure when Camel reads this thread he will have something to say, and I am also certain that he wouldnt want anyone speaking on his behalf.... But IMHO to launch an attack on a member of the forum in this way is out of order and if it was posted by anyone else it would be removed for being inflammatory and abusive.

Tony's behaviour at the table is one thing, he must know it will provoke a lot of negitive response, he shouldn't be surprised when people react

Flaming someone on a forum where he is an admin is quite another, it's a bad example and totally against what blonde is all about

That is easily solved - just press the fast forward button and you will be subjected to disc 2:britney spears and disc 3:will young's greatest hits......

on second thoughts.......

The last itme I looked Camel is a pro poker player. I dont hate him one bit, I replied to his thread earier in realtion to me. I actually always liked the guy and now I just have more urgency to take care of him when we play.  :D

Ok i dont want to fall out with anyone over this, im just in debating mood :)

Isnt this what happened to Tony whilst he was playing in Monte Carlo? One of the admin posting that he is a 'disgrace'

Well I'm afraid that does not make sense Tony.

Your profile is high when you are at the table playing poker, that is when you have the exposure.

I have to say that if everyone was the same at the poker table wouldn't poker be a boring, mundane place to be.

As in life there are characters.Tony is a character but I do think that alot of what he says is tongue in cheek, and people simply take it to serious.

Im reasonably new to Blonde but love it.Lets all get along and chill out.

I am stepping down from my admin role guys. It was never me, please forgive me if I personally upset anyone. I wish all the best to this forum & I only hope that everyone understands that I am a unique person. Also I believe I have a good hart & I never tell things to make people happy.

So this is my very last post on here. Everyone please take care and enjoy life outside poker, if you take me on the felt I will be after you hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :blonde:

at the end of the day Tony G is Tony G

I really do wonder what is going on in your mind!??!

The mob have been supportive of blonde in the past, Joe got 7th in the WPT CHAMPIONSHIP!! Is that not a good result?

The camel is a good guy and i agree with his comment.

As part of blonde your actions reflect on blonde, i look at Tikay and Dave and these 2 guys are very professional at the tables, i don't know Dave's position on rubdowns but after watching Tikay's defeat to Latif in blackpool i know where he stands on it.

I posted on another forum the other day i felt blonde was "going downhill" your post and your attitude are a fine example!

I for one don't want to be part of a forum that alows admins to call members wankers.

As for mocking the camel for not being in MonteCarlo, if you were a regular reader you would know the reason he has cut back on his tournaments, i would also imagine as any good player should have this tournament did not exactly present great value!!

Trace stop being a drama queen "im trying to protect BLONDE POKER"  this issue will not put bp in danger in the slightest, this is what a forum is all about, not just always sychophantic kudos towards other members, forums are there to discuss and argue issues in poker, of which this is one

Hehehe, my turn ;ifm;

A couple of points:-
Firstly and foremost, the tone of the post is totally out of order, people have been banned for posting on here for MUCH less than that and anyone who has been abusive to FELLOW posters has had their posts removed/edited.

COME ON MODS THIS CAN ONLY GO ONE WAY!!

Secondly, what happened to all the talk about changing and behaving at the table, when you joined blonde there was a mini debate regarding this and i don't need to tell you what you said on the subject (and on your blog after Paris).

I am not going to judge you on Monte Carlo but your actions in this thread are far worse in my opinion, there is no excuse for insulting people on here when they expressed an opinion on your behaviour "on table".
Without looking back though, i thought Dave said "he" was embarassed and Flushy said you were an embarassment to Blonde.

I wasn't going to get involved in this but...........................

So Joe, Barny and Ross are a joke to Poker?

No I am not going to write any more yet ............. need to calm down, but FFS!!!!!!!!!!

When I read some of the things posted about Tony G.  I felt a little un-easy, to say the least!

I've spent some time with Tony and found him to be incredible company.  It seems any little comments he makes are taken way out of context.  The verbal part of poker IS a part of the game, a "rub down" isn't just for the departing player, it also intimidates the players remaining and as Tony says, he will meet these guys again and they will hate playing him for fear of a mouth full  :) - I'm sure the day players are told not to say anything, Tony G. will abide by the rule.  

Everyone has their own styles.  I don't find Tony an embarrassment or a disgrace or whatever was posted.  He is good for poker.  Rodman was good for basketball.  Cantona good for football.  His antics might upset people but they are left at the poker table by most.  Only the viewing/reading public who don't fully understand why it occurs take it away from the table IMO.

I agree with you here, his post probably should be deleted but I think on this occasion it might be better to let it stand for a while so that everyone is aware of what is happening

That may not be the right decision, other mods are free to over rule it

I thought perhaps it would just cause another thread to start and half the facts would be missing

If it degrades into a full blown slanging match, I will lock it

I have trouble reading serious comments with that fat guy wiggling his butt on the side.  :o

sorry snoppy I will try and keep still  :D

It's getting bloody slippery this slope we are on!!!!!

Must be the weather!!

If I want to be a drama queen I will be a drama queen - not you or anyone else will stop me!!

And I don't see how my post makes me a drama queen either. 



Actionman:  I didn't see you bowing or kneeling before me!

Hello, can someone direct me to the original thread, so I can make my own mind up?

s-n-o-o-p-y  8)

Please. That's an awful lot of MC updates to look through.

Hey guys :)

We obviously have a bit of an exceptional situation here, can I ask that we don't throw toys at each other please?

There's been enough slinging gone on today as it is.

Heid
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I am blowing kisses to everyone :kiv: :kiv: :kiv: :kiv:

Hel-lo? Is this a private discussion or a forum? Thanks for the lack of help. Very helpful :(

Was thinking what an interesting read , then realised i have no idea what everyones talking about  :blonde:

This thread has the potential to be the best ever :D Tony seems to be saying that he's considerably richer than The Camel and considerably better at poker than 3 members of the Hendon Mob. Perhaps a little sit n go could be arranged or something.  Tikay could do the live updates and we need someone to take some bets, my money's on the w***** :)up

and what is a sit and go going to achieve? JESUS

A bit of fun JESUS

hehe  ;ifm;

i love debates :)

It's called humour Sunday.

The  :D was a clue.

Diva,

Live update, day two, page 12 onwards.

TVM Owner, was hoping for a quick read b4 lunch but now I'm back from lunch it'll probably be even more interesting. Cheers!

please debate the antics and the statement made by tonyg in this thread but please try and keep it civil even if the orginal post went against blonde ethos.

Reads like a lot of people having agendas to settle and some poor reporting by el blondie triggering the grief. "embarrassment to blonde" might have been said in the heat of the moment, but is out of order and undoubtedly served as the cue for a lot of people with axes to grind to get swinging.

Tikay's reporting on the other hand is how it should be, leave the criticism implied and discuss it after the event.

Shame really. The response should never have been necessary (although some of the personal insults levied should have meant the thread being removed instantly if the blonde moderators were being consistent, rather than using it to give someone enough rope to hang themselves with).

My opinion is that in the long term is that Blonde is the poorer for it if Tony G's role is reduced. You knew how he played the game when he joined FFredS. And he seemed to have the commerical nous to help you grow. Good luck in finding a replacement that has the same skill set with your type of personality.

Anyway, having spent a while reading round what happened I wanted to express my opinion.

BTW, I am also most unimpressed that the four hero members reading the thread at the time couldn't spare a couple of seconds to point me in the direction of the controversy. if you don't want people to read it, delete it.

I have to say when Tony joined the forum a few of the longer standing members thought gulp. We had just witnessed your antics at the Aviation and although you may think you were entertaining you were in fact a disgrace. I remember a post saying how you would fit in with Blonde and how you were trying to put that behind you. When you played at the Vic I heard nothing but good reports about you and your antics and you generally behavior, however....put you in front of American TV cameras and you again become a mindless moron. If you want to fit in with the squeeling,boorish Americans then please go join their forums and play over there full time. The Mob may not be the worlds best players (who is? Poker is a game of oppinions after all) but they don't need slating on here as they are "friends" of the forum. The Camel is an absolute gent and I believe considerably higher in the rankings than yourself, to start name calling is just pathetic and juvenile. The Camels thoughts/posts I can assure you are regarded much higher than yours. If you are looking for a friend in poker I would suggest Mark S aka UKpoker- he has the same sort of mind as yours. We gave you a chance when you asked for one and I feel let down (as a member of a community which is associated to you) by your antics. Feel free to call me any names you wish as I can promise you I have heard far worse than you can dream up....treat me at the table as you treat others and be prepared for a shock.
End of rant.

Ooooh it's just like Eastenders! Drama!

Personally I don't see the issue. Tony G has made some pretty pointless comments (whether you believe them or not) for the effect of being the true drama queen and for no other reason.

Maybe he's trying to get the edge over people like Muhammed Ali did by bad mouthing? Maybe he's just short on manners? Either way who cares?

His point was obviously to create a drama which he's succeeded in doing if we rise to it.

I'm not sure it's worth wasting my time over as he himself has said he wont be posting again. (- again I'm not bothered)

Also, I have better threads to read with my time.

No drama.

OI!!!  I thought I was the drama queen?

You're the drama goddess. (Meant in the nicest way possible of course!)

Only just seen this thread, but I have to voice my opinion.

I have nothing against Tony G as a person - infact I have never met him but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I myself have been on the recieving end of a rubdown in Brighton when I had AA and my oponent had KK - of course BOTH Kings hit the board.

Loosing is part of the game, I can accept that, BUT i strongly believe that RUBDOWNS are NOT wanted nor needed - My personal thoughts is that it is bad for the game , and it is only a matter of time before we see some serious violence in a comp in a local Casino.

I understand that emotions boil over, but rubdowns ?? NO!!!

When I was in WPT in Reno, I witnessed the WORSE rubdown I have EVER seen!! Yes it was "The Cry Baby" himself Mr PH. He literally stalked the person who knocked him out for over half an hour! AND he was not quiet about it either. Something has to be done. I dont see why Mr PH should be treated ANY different to say myself. I am sure if I was to behave the way Mr PH did, I would be ejected from the playing area.

As a contrast to this, I also witnessed Phil Laak (spelling wrong probably) get knocked out with an under pair when the first card out gave Phil trips. The 3rd card made his oponent trips also and the river gave him quads. HIS reaction was one of PURE DIGNITY - was a pleasure to watch.

Thats why 2p's worth.

LETS END THE RUBDOWNS NOW!!!

Whilst I certainly don't condone Tony G's actions when he gets over excited, I don't see that it is necessarily bad for poker as a whole. Yes, it is not nice for the people on the receiving end but they are all adults and should be able to take it. All people react differently when the adrenaline is running and it is these different mixtures of emotions that make poker on TV entertaining for people to watch. If we didn't have the Tony g's, Hellmuth's and Matusow's in the game the viewing figures would not be as high and still growing. As long as everyone doesn't start copying them, all sports need their bad boys/girls, it adds to the entertainment and also creates talking points for debate just like this thread.

I am not sure about Tony as the right person for the image that Blondepoker want to portray but having him on board will have raised their profile and I doubt that his actions would have a damaging effect on Blonde. I would expect it would be quite the reverse, I am certainly one who will be watching developments with interest.

My opinion is that people ARE copying them - and this can only be bad for the game.

Yes people act differently when the adrenalin is running, that was my point! Someone IS going to get seriously hurt - by this I mean the person on the recieving end of a rubdown, is going to be one of those people with a short temper and has the build to match it. Do you think THIS would be "good for the game"? - No need to reply

As you might appreciate, this has been a very busy morning for the mods, I didn't know the exact location of the thread you were looking for and I don't suppose anyone else did either

What makes you think we had nothing better to do, and why do you think we could find it in a "couple of seconds" when you couldnt?

Tony reminds me of myself when I first started playing poker...

I must admit that I rubbed people down, had a rant, slagged certain individuals off etc and to be honest I really enjoyed it....

However the point is I started playing poker when I was 8 years old and since then have grown up.....

As a well known member of this forum said last year in the Caribbean Poker Classic "Show some class and dont be an ass"

Red-dog: I was asking where all the orginal comments were that triggered this thread, I don't think it was an unreasonable assumption that the hero members commenting on this thread knew where the original comments were.

I asked because I had people waiting to go to lunch and wanted to have a quick read first. I objected to hero members posting on the thread and ignoring my request, which again I don't think is unreasonable. "We're busy go and find it yourself" I could have rolled with, but making a polite request and having it unacknowledged annoyed me. Am I really being unreasonable?

All a hero member is is someone with above a certain number of posts they don't have any "special powers"

Soz Diva,

I am at work, and trying to disguise my not working by flitting around. With everything else that was going on, I couldn't go and search for the parts you wanted.

I still haven't really managed to do any work today yet!

Heid
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OK fair enough, I thought u'd know off the top of your head - I certainly wasn't expecting you to act as an unpaid researcher for me and if it came across that way I apologise.

No problem, sorry if I was a bit sharp, I'm somewhat tetchy today

Certainly not X-ray vision anyway, all those hours in front of a pc have done their eyes in.

I really appreciate the "American" comments!!!!

I like Tony G, I like his table talk, people need to understand that many people play the game many different ways.

The Hendon Mob, just players that started something a long time ago, not poker gods!!!

The Camel, great guy who I like alot, who cares if Tony takes a shot at him. I think the Camel can take care of hid own problems IF he has any w/ Tont G.

Why do people get so worked up over stupid shit??? If Tony G acts like an ass he will not be appreciated in the poker world, people will tell him to kiss off!!!!

Please relax, not the end of the world

You've obviously never seen Robert in his brown knitted cape, standing up for truth, justice and the Woldingham way.

I got to agree about the person who said Trace was being a drama queen when she said "Im trying to protect blondepoker"

I mean lets not blow this over the top. Keith is a strong minded person who can look after himself and im sure he'l be chuckling at Tonys comments.

A bit of rivalry is what poker is all about, you cant like everyone you play poker with. At least Tony G is upfront and forthright with his views and a quality player who has EARNT the right to criticise other players to an extent because he has played with them enough to judge, although his choice of words probably leave a lot to be desired.

errr I can't think of a witty reply. so just to say "noted"

Yes Dubai, you got it in one, people are free to hold any opinion they like on here, as long as they express them in a decent and reasonable manner

It's not what you say, it's how you say it that matters

Question to Brian or anyone else.

Would you attempt to give me the rubdown after knocking me out of a tournament?

If yes - what would you consider a reasonable response from me?

I think the whole point is that TonyG is suppose to be a representative of Blonde Poker.

It would be like the queen pulling a mooney at Bush, yes it would be funny but doesn't look very professional or give this country a good image. (Sorry for the example- the only thing I could think of, and no I generally don't think about the queen pulling mooney's)

To new members just joining the forum how would it look that the administrator is calling members a W****. Just put yourself in Tikay and DC's shoes.

It's understandable that everyone is an individual and entitled to their opinion but you still need to remain professional. It would be the same situation in a general work place if the Boss went around abusing clients and calling them w*****, it's not acceptable and would look extremely bad on the company

Anyway thats my say - don't really want to get in a heated debate about it.

sticks and stones davey, although a smack in the mouth would make you feel better in the short term, a much better way is to leave the table with grace and dignity... that just makes the rubdown merchant look even more stupid and juvenile.  of course a lump of 4x2 acroos the knee caps in the car park afterwards is a different matter entirely ;)

 :goodpost: :dd: ;karabiner; ;karabiner; ;letsparty; ;adamM; :goodpost: ;applause; ;applause;

You can take that whichever way you wish, I'm on the fence.

Kev it was a question for people to dwell on. You know I am not the sort of guy to sort things out with my fists (couldn't fight my way out of a damp paper bag), just looking for people to define what is acceptable and what isn't.

 :goodpost:

Now...  :ironside: :ironside: :ironside:

Though I'll think Brian's point is totally true also.

I will respond to this shortly guys, I've got a LOT of catching up to do. I need to take a quick peek at my PM's, then I'll comment on this thread.

depends, it is situational, I never know what I will do!!!!!  If I did you have the right to do what ever!!!

The point is that you can like me or not, I can give you shiy or not, at the end of the day you must remember it is a game, you can also judge me as a person and decide if you like me or not!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone has to pay for their own conduct, everyone is responsible for the way they act!!!!!!!!!!

It was Actionman.   Oh and btw - The Baron just upgraded me to Drama Goddess - so bow low if you please earthlings!!!

I have a trident and I'm not afraid to use it.

I take full reponsibilty. Go easy on me....

Brian you state you have the right to do as you wish and I have the right to respond in whatever way I chose. Least that's what I think you are saying. That is a very interesting standpoint.

I have no issue about the like me or don't like me attitude. I don't need to be personally liked to get through life, however I don't go out of my way to pick fights either. Some people like me some don't, thats cool and thats life.

However, to say that there is no restriction on behaviour and no sanction for misbehaving is like allowing a bunch of kids to settle their own differences in the playground - An ideal environment for the breeding of bullys.

Maybe you think I am soft, and you are entitled to that opinion however I didn't no poker was a no holds barred game, guess I will have to get back into training.

How Gary  Bush got involved in this I really don't know but if the Queen moonied him I think he would laugh...... 8) Just trying to keep the temperature down folks.......

Spirit of forum,

Etiquette

Ungentlemanly behaviour

Foul Language

Abusive

Thats the Forum out of the way Mr G ....remind you of a game???

you are limited by the rules, by the way you want people to think of you, by the way you want to think of yourself!!!!

I personal think I am loud and excitable, but I hope people never hate me! But then again I DO want people to fear me, I want to be the table captain, " welcome to my table, I am the Rookie and I will be your table captain tonight"  

Hate is a very strong word?

Brian you state you want to be known as the table captain - thats fine in my book. However how about when a player is eliminated? Do you feel the kill has been achieved or do you feel it is acceptable to stand over your prey in order that they feel humilated?

I am genuinely interested in other peoples views as to what is acceptable as well, feel free to contribute. I am not singling you out, Brian except that I am sure you will answer honestly. I promote a number of tournies as well as some Private tournament directing and I do want to know peoples views.

My View is there is absolutely no need and it is unacceptable!

Thanks Dik - would you (if you had 100% control) impose a penalty on someone 'rubbing down'  an eliminated opponent?

no, but you dont know the history, a lot of players dont like me because I am aggresive, they give me a lot of xxxx, if they give it I will return it

The history of what? Are you referring to a specific case?

95% and I do. There is a particular gentleman that is well known in the Midlands for doing such a thing and he wont be doing it much longer if he keeps it up.

i will put a proper post in a few minutes , playing a six pack right now

playing or drinking?

Dik

What do you consider a reasonable penalty for 'rubbing down' and would you have it written into the rule book at the Broadway?

if someone outdraws me and then stands up to give me the rubdown as i leave the table they better hope they have a good cup on as my elbows do have a habbit of hitting places they shouldn't

i think that is a good enough penalty

both

 :respect: ;letsparty;

First of all, how would you define a 'Rubdown?'

COLLUSION, CRITISISM, CONDUCT AND ETIQUETTE

Ladies and Gentleman,

   Poker is a fair and just game, where everyone starts off as equals. It is essential for the running of a cardroom, that this is understood by all. No unfair advantage can be obtained by any player. “Stroke pulling” will not be tolerated regardless of how insignificant it seems. Any player, who spots an infringement, must report it immediately to the cardroom supervisor.
   Due to growing popularity of poker on the television, people seem to think that it is acceptable to use “verbal” to confuse and obtain an advantage. Although some people feel this is part of the game, it is once again an unfortunate Americanism. This cardroom DOES NOT operate this policy! “Verbal” is not part of the game. The same rule applies to criticism. Every player is allowed to play their cards, as they see fit, without fear of intimidation from others. You pay, you play, you decide, you follow your head and cards, and you accept the flop and most important you accept the outcome, regardless of how unjust the odds go against you, or even for you!
   During a competition, after acquiring a number of chips, some players find it necessary to go for a wander (sit on chips). Please have the courtesy to remain at the table and play your cards.
   Passing of chips is also forbidden, the supervisor has the right to view any cards at any stage of the game. If the supervisor feels, in their opinion, this has happened; the supervisor has the right to disqualify both players, without any monies being returned.
   When a hand is in progress, talking at the table should be restricted to active players and dealers making decisions on their hand when their turn comes to act. This will assist the dealer and keep the game swift and precise. If a dealer becomes confused he may nominate one person to assist in the previous action recall. If a conclusion cannot be met, the supervisor will be called to resolve the situation. Only the dealer’s hands are allowed into the pot.
ENGLISH ONLY WILL BE SPOKEN IN THE CARDROOM AT ALL TIMES
FOR THE SAME REASON, WHISPERING IS ALSO PROHIBITTED!!
AGGRESSION OR ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

Mobile phones if used during a hand will result in that players hand being mucked, regardless of the chips already committed.
Players must protect their cards at all times, and keep your cards and chips visible. This may mean you have to concentrate.
Swearing or foul language is offensive please have some consideration for others.
Winning players in a cash game, please give at least 3 hands notice of leaving a game, as a courtesy to other players.
In the event of a dispute the cardroom supervisor will make a decision on his understanding of the dispute, being fair to all involved. As no situation is the same sometimes a different decision will be made to a similar situation. I have faith in their ability to read situations, therefore their decision is final.
Thank you for your co-operation and remember to please keep the game clean!
Rich



13.01 PRINCIPLES OF POKER ETIQUETTE.
Issues presented in this Article are not rules, per se, but relate to the orderly maintenance of the game and civility among those who participate in the game. A player who repeatedly violates these principles of Poker Etiquette is a disruption to the game, and accordingly is subject to discipline, up to and including ejection from the game and being suspended or barred from the cardroom. The dealer shall call a floorperson to the table regarding improper behavior either at the request of a player or any time when the orderly flow of the game is impeded by violations of poker etiquette. Application of this principle rests completely within the discretion of the floorperson, who must exercise particularly good judgment in enforcing it, since many of the issues involved are subjective. That subjectivity is the reason these matters are not presented as rules. As noted in certain other rules, the floorperson should enforce these principles of etiquette less stringently with inexperienced players. Notwithstanding that, a player shall respect and play the game in conformity with the principles of poker etiquette.
13.02 TALKING, CRITIQUING, ETC.
In the United Kingdom NO talking is allowed during the play of a hand. A player who has won a pot should not needle a player who has lost the pot. No player should critique another's play. No player should give lessons at the poker table. While acting is a part of the game, a player should not engage in deceptive conduct which delays the game, or which abuses other players at the table. A player should not criticize another player; a player may play any cards at any time without criticism.

Exactly RED-DOG why originally I was asking what people thought acceptable and what they thought unacceptable.

What would you consider acceptable?

Wow! A fun day, I see.....

Here's my take, for what it's worth.

Tony G & blondepoker have, today, parted company. The parting was most amicable. It was not connected, in any way, with the Monte Carlo stuff, it was about other issues, mainly technical, software problems, & policy matters.

I chatted at length with Tony this afternoon. We remain on very good terms. He can't defend himself on here any more, & I'd like you to bear that in mind.

I reported the facts in Monte Carlo, & have no regrets at doing so. Tony & I discussed the matter at length that day, & again the following morning, at which time he was chip leader & nailed on to Final. He, just prior to start of play on Day Three with a huge stack of chips, regretted his previous day's outburst, but admitted he could not help it, his adrenelin gets high & these things happen. My view on that sort of behaviour is well known, & that's blondepoker's position too. He then went & played, somehow lost his entire mountain of chips, finished on the Final "bubble", then entered the Consolation Comp & lost his starting stack almost immediately. It's not hard then, to imagine his mindset when he made the infamouus "Camel Post". That's not to defend it or him - them's the facts.

Should we (or the beleagured Miods, in my absence) have deleted the Post? Maybe, probably, but his position in blonde made that a tricky call for the Mods & Iron, none of whom are Shareholders in blonde. They had to delete a Post by a Partner in blonde, that is a VERY tricky one, so let's bear that in mind, too. The comments about The Camel & THM WERE unacceptable, & I'd delete them in a flash in normal circumstances, but this was not "normal", & you need to see the dilemma the Mods were in. Delete it now? Not a lot of point NOW, as everyone has seen it.

On behalf of blonde, I apologise to Camel, & to all of the Hendon Mob. I HAVE spoken to Ross, Barny, Joe & Ram personally, apologised to them on behalf of blonde, & there it rests. I have not yet spoken to The Camel, but I will.

blonde supports poker with a smile, & tries, in it's own small way, to be a force for good in poker. I don't like to see players being given a rubdown after a beat, end of story, simply because I believe we all ought to behave in reasonably decent manner to our fellow players.

I was on the wrong end of the mother & father of rubdowns last week in Blackpool, after I had been outdrawn, & I did not enjoy it one bit. I don't play poker so that folks can belittle me when they've got lucky, & I don't suppose many other folks do, either.That's my personal belief, take it or leave it.

Tony no longer has the ability to defend himself on here, so I hope you will bear that in mind. Debate his behaviour all day & all night if you wish, but keep it "clean", don't be offensive please. Yes, I know Tony WAS offensive, but two wrongs don't make it right, & I've apologised to the relevant parties. I've told Tony this afternoon that we will respect his inability to respond to attacks on him on blonde. I want to stay on terms with the fella, so does Dave.

Tony's departure from blonde, I emphasise, was nothing whatsoever to do with Monte Carlo. But, as it happens, it does solve another problem, in that Tony's table manners were not always consistent with what we preach on blonde. Our position remains as was, & the problem is resolved now.

The rules on flaming etc on blonde remain as was, & I hope I've explained why, in this single case, an exception was allowed to stand. I have asked the Mods to resume normal service from here on in.

I note one or two comments that blonde is "going downhill"  or "jaded" in the opinion of some. So be it. The bigger blonde gets, the harder it becomes to keep everyone happy, & ultimately, it just ain't possible. We know EXACTLY to whom we wish to appeal, & we are happy to remain focused on that segment of the poker community.

And if we fail? Too bad. We, thats "Team blonde", together with the Admins & Mods HAVE done our best to keep it the way we want it, & the way we think you like it. So if we fail, well, in a weird way, it does  not matter, because we did our best. What more can anyone do?

Nobody died, or got hurt, & much worse things happen in the real world.

Tomorrow we shall have fun.

OK, I'm off to Walsall.

Have a good evening!

xx

at the WSOP event that I won I had a guy tell me to shutup, and call me son!!!!!

I told everyone I would bust him, and I did w/ this hand

my  Qc Kc, flop of  Kh 5c 9d

all in after flop, he slow rolls his  Asp Kd

turn is a  Qh, I never saw the river because I was yelling and running around the 2 tables that were left, I was now a big stack, I went nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The other guy had 2k left, was sitting next to me and i said to him "whos your daddy now son"  NOW THATS A RUB DOWN, AND I WOULD DO IT TO AN ASS LIKE THAT EVERYTIME!!!!!!!  

HE DESERVED WHAT HE GOT!!!

Now when I beat John Gale heads up, he thanked me for my lack of celebration, I live in the moment, that is who I am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both DQ'd !!!

Edit- he called you son? I read it wrong.  He would not get DQ'd

did he pay the $25000 entry fee out of his own pocket or was he sponsored to play the event?

If he was sponsored, what do they think of his antics on camera?

(questions probably rhetorical as only TonyG probably knows)

post edit comments:this post looks a bit silly now seeing as the post it was replying to has suddenly disappeared......

Have u been drinking matt?  :D

calling me son was a put down, as bad as the f bomb, total disrespect towards me by this guy,

Why did he tell you to shut up?

strong stuff this banana juice

<note to self - next time replying to post use the quote facility, this way i dont appear more stupid than i actually am>

because I was talking, not even to him, he acted like the poker police

cmon brian, you have to use this fella  /:-| if you're gonna say something like that. Don't ignore the poor guy.

You've got some strange rules there Dik, why can't people "wander" off??
it's their game, their chips, they paid for the right to play.
What if they stayed at the table and folded every hand, what's the difference?
Verbal goes in MOST casino's in the UK, there is nothing wrong in talking during hands either.
Just scanned the rules so if i misread or misinterpreted i appologise :)

BTW Tikay, good post

The "wander off " thing is not a rule, it is in a letter that is posted on the wall, regarding conduct I would like to see In the cardroom. You come to play cards......play cards!

Verbal, depending how it is taken, is a cancer of the game that results in bad feeling. It is used for many reasons but for the main it is used by bad players who cannot get a read on players naturally.

Hope this doesnt constitute spam but please read the article I wrote 12 moths ago for betfair. Scroll down to "show some class dont be an ass" after you have clicked this link. I reread it after this post and think it is very appropriate.
http://www2.betfairpoker.com/newsandviews/articles/caribpokerclassic.html

It doesn't Russ :)

2 questions for Ariston.

Read your article (which was a very good read btw) and Im a bit puzzled about two things you mentioned.


 "I take my seat to look at 8 Betfair T-shirts and although this may be most people's idea of heaven it was my biggest fear - internet players who don't know AQ is a junk hand to a raise"

Why is AQ a junk hand to a raise? and yes I am an internet player ;D

"The other hand was shortly after this when a player moved all in on my BB for 5,600 when I had 800 invested in the pot. I had around the 60k mark and stared him down and decided he had an AK or AQ so I called with my 10/4 off to try and knock him out"

This....I am just not getting AT ALL ???

"The other hand was shortly after this when a player moved all in on my BB for 5,600 when I had 800 invested in the pot. I had around the 60k mark and stared him down and decided he had an AK or AQ so I called with my 10/4 off to try and knock him out"

LOL

point 1, many poor players play AK, AQ and AJ the same way and treat them as if they are more or less the same strength. If there's been a raise before you and you have AQ you are even money or a mile behind, if you have AK unless the raiser has AA or KK then you are even money or ahead. AQ is certainly not a re-raising hand (theoretically). raise and re raise with it but appreciate you're bluffing.

point 2, Ariston is taking a shot for a small portion of his stack with what is certain to be two live cards. As he's sure his opponent doent have a pair he's likely to be 70/30 against. I personally wouldnt do it because thats only 5% better than if I had a dominated Ace. the other interesting affect it might have on the table is that even if he loses the hand people will probably adjust their game because of what they've seen. tight players might loosen up because they've seen him call with junk and bluffers might tighten up a bit because they won't think they can make him pass.

Nicely explained Adam!

(even I understood it!)

Hello, it seems to me that good manners in the game have gone out of the window.The behaviour of several well known players is I am afraid a sign of the times ,and exposure on TV. This is understandable,just go watch an under 10s football match,spitting swearing abusing the ref thats the parents the kid are far worse.they get it of the TV. The game has developed in the main due to tournament poker on TV, this is a bit like student politics savage but it will not matter and after college you move on.OK nowadays the prizes are huge and there is a lot of stress involved,however the secure player can find many ways to retaliate to these antics. This practise of gloating after destroying someone because that is what it is can only be stopped by example of the top players,the days have gone when you risked your life by making a facetious remark about an opponent,that would boost the ratings can you imagine brains on the baise it would go straight to no 1 bast poker movies of all time.I suppose its the Macenroe theory it makes the game lively,if thats the way the TVwants it ,it will be hard to stop .I have felt a drift in some oppinions lately that some players feel the are being exploited,an the game is being tampered with,detrimentallyto the players wellbeing.I hope this groundswell continues TVs getting something for nothing .     back to the origin of this thread, 8pages that is incredible all about one person and some ill thought out comments.and then on and on.I am amazed that people can feel so strongly about what is only a facet of human nature.   Poker and gambling in general bring out the best and worst in people after 32 years owning working and playing in some of the best and worst of these establishments all over the world,I have seen some terrible examples.people react in differentways ,i remember a chinese guy once  jumping on the roulette table and attacking the wheel with the bollard that was used to separate the tables,an Albanian who after losing his money on the poker table,proceeded to destroy it with a large axe.The list is endless.OK the albanian was a nasty piece of work,but the chinaman was as polite and nice as could be but this time he just flipped,afterwards he was in tears with remorse.So lets think about what brings this behaviour on,is it because the player gets carried away in the excitement,or is the player in control,they say its a calculated ploy,In tonys case Iwas wittnessto what was probably his 1st ill call it going over the edge,it happened when he played Kirril heads up and it took someone of very large stature in the game to calm him down.It only took a sentence,to set him of ,  So im not totally convinced its a preplanned ploy,Im moving more towards its a defensive reaction.So with the slagging off of an opponent who has been 3outed.I remember reading somewhere there were opponents who said they were going to beat you,told u what they had ,and then beat u ,it was either schoonmaker  or chiaffone,but they said it was an american trait how wrong they were. Normally when i get so lucky to hit a three outer im looking down at my chips with embarrasment,So what am i thinking ,well there but for the grace of God go I for starters,Carefull u were lucky that time ,Screw up like that again and your out , Time to press on ive got chips but dont get sloppy,pick your shots and pick the targets .the next hand is in front of you,so whats the mouth doing if hes hurling abuse at the unfortunate opponent,not preparing to go forward with the nexthand asthey say prepare to fail if u fail to prepare  .So ive come to the conclusionnot only are they obnoxious but are also putting forward an example of stupidity strange that I should be against it the more stupid players are the more I win,perverse.Antics during the game different kettle of fish watch Surinder Sunar enough said .           How are your ladbrokes shares doing this week TK 8)   

Point 1, I shall definatly be more cautious with AQ in future.... now I know where im going wrong  :D

Point 2, I see what you mean about the effect it will have on the table which makes it a bit more understandable.

Thanks Adam

Suzanne,

Ariston's call with 10-4o is a terrible play, as he said in his article " It was a tilt call". All the positives of table image etc what AdamM has just mentioned are totally outweighed by how bad a call it was.

well I wasn't going to say that but...

"I claimed this was down to me tilting at passing kings but it was a mathematical decision. If he did have a big ace I was getting the right pot odds to make the call (give or take a couple of %) and I had the chance to knock out another player. If you add to this to the fact that I could afford to lose the 4,800 and also the fact that nobody would mess around on my BB without having a hand it was a very well thought out call. He won the hand and doubled up and nobody touched my blind for the rest of the day"

He is saying it was a mathematical decision. I am still a learner and dont know how to work out % but how can this hand be "getting the right pot odds"

Ok that wasn't the article that was meant to be read guys but here goes. The blinds were 800,400 with a running 50 (if memory serves me right- it was a year ago) and that put 1700 in the pot before his allin raise of 4800. I was calling 4800 to win 7300. This meant I was getting the worst of it if he turned over a high pair or two overcards but there is also the chance he could have a small pair or a small rag ace were I could be around a 60/40 shot. I played good poker in that tournament and that was the first article I had ever written but I can assure you it wasn't a tilt call and it was a very well thought out call. My blind was not attacked for the next few levels by anyone who didn't show me aces or kings and I could afford to lose the 4800 to try and take out a shortstack. This is one of my stranger theories and one I very rarely use but in this situation I stand by the play. Anyone who wants to read any of my other diaries or theory articles pm me and I will send you the link (they are all brutally honest and I openly admit when I do cock up or make bad plays). Next time any of you are sat in a $5000/$10k main event choking and waiting for aces/kings remember one thing- the worlds best players (of which I am certainly not) do not need big hands to win tournaments. I have seen players like gus hansen first hand making similar calls and it is known as sherrifing- noboby get out of line on my blind or you are risking elimination. When they do it is a mathmatical decision, when I do it it is a terrible play (In my BPO heat I called from the BB with 92off to a SB raise- roy the boy said it was the worst call he had ever seen. The day after Greg Raymer ran the same play calling a raise with 37off and roy the boy said that is the difference between great players and the rest of us; they got the balls to call to take the pot away on the flop).

Ariston is right, the main power of a play like this is that you are saying to the table "If you go all-in on my BB I am liable to call you with anything - therefore if you attack my blind your hand has got to hold up'. This takes away much of the power from the raising player - he is counting on the BB folding a large percentage of the time. Suddenly, things like AT or KJ don't look so hot if the BB is going to call with hands like Q3.

Thanks for taking the time to answer guys, its certainly given me something to think about ie don't try to take Ariston's BB  :D

IMO, Ariston isn't right.

He is putting in 4800 to win 6500 NOT 7300.

He is 66% dog againts AKo, 70% dog against AKs

Againts JJ he 88% dog, againts 88 he is 70% dog.

Do you actually think that after seeing this play, a person holding A10 isn't going to raise his blind after seeing him call with 104o?

Like I said, IMO a terrible call.

I was going to take issue with that to. I think AT will still raise but something like 52o won't try and steal.

A very thought provoking, & good, post by Nomad.

Whilst my personal view is very much in line with Nomads - especially the embarasment I feel when I hit a 3 outer, which necessitates a certain amount of tact & decorum - "there but for the Grace of God" etc - I remain curious as to WHY someone like Tony G reacts as he does, from time to time. In his case, althouigh many disagree with me, I do NOT think it' the presence of TV Cameras. TV covered the entire Euro Championship Final at The Vic, which he won, & he behaved impeccably. And I can tell you - I promise this - that off the table, he is a complete gent.

I just tend to think it's an inability tio control his adrenelin surge. Adrenelin is a VERY strange, & enormously powerful, body chemical. He SHOULD be able to control it, but for whatever reason, he cannot or does not. A bit like alcholism - is it an illness/ailment, or just a lack of self-control or discipline? The guy who gave me the Grade One ruibdown last week, after outdrawing me, was something approaching a friend, with whom I've never had a cross word on or off the table. But the demon got inside him, & he - one of the only players on the circuit who is considerably older than me - just lost control, & went ballistic, whooping & hollering & banging the table repeatedly. I watched him get sucked out - & busted out - last night, & his body language said it all - he HATED it. A senior pro ascribed it to short memories & small brains, but I don't thnk that's right or fair - Tony is a supremly intelligent guy, & so are some other Premium Rub Down Merchants. A curious thing, which I am bound to say, the cause of which fascinates me.


My Ladbroke shares? Well, they are called Hilton these days, but I hate to even look. Last time I checked they were around £3.30. I think I paid £4 each for 4,000 of them in around 1985!

In the later stages of tournies, particularly against smaller stacks, I don't agree that you are either even money or a mile behind, quite often you will be a good favorite.

5s

but you know what I said is true of many players in all stages of tourneys against all sizes of stack. of course there are times when you can call or reraise with AQ but it should be far less often than it is.

Ariston - it is NOT a slanging match - it's a variety of opinions, well expressed, all quite civil, by all of you, including you. Long may it last, we WANT these debates to continue, just because some folks disagree with each other, that does not make it a slanging match.

Funny that it says it will discourage people nicking your blinds. It would encourage me if i was a shortstack and in need of a double up to raise your blinds as i maywell get called by a poor hand against my better than average hand.

I do agree with it generally as i sometimes make these weird calls and it really freaks the table out.

Tony latif is an excitable character and i think thats what you were on the recieving end of... his excitment!

I'm not condoning his outburst, but he is normally the first person to shake your hand if you knock him out. And he would'nt give rubdowns to create a table image etc... He has that anyway!

This is my first post on the thread, I do believe that the jumping about etc has become part of the game, My trip to america this year opened my eyes to this! One example is john laws final, michael gratz hit a mircle 8 on the turn and was jumping about etc celebrating his lucky card... ESPN like this tho and think nothing of it, infact they probably encourage it!

To be honest i just try to take it as it comes, and act the same... good luck welldone whether they got lucky or not!

I can take oppinions on everything apart from maths Tikay. Poker can be broken down into a number of very complex mathmatical formulas and although I do look like a numpty maths is one of my absolute strogest points. When someone questions my maths I always get a little tilty I must admit. I know my figures and although I am not Gus Hansen I have tried to base a lot of my plays on his. Many people consider him to be just a lucky so and so but if you ever get chance to read some of his thoughts on the pure maths side of the game you will realise how intelligent a bloke he is. Maths is the one way you can get me to tilt (just ask Kev what I was like at wombles when chubbs questioned my maths).

Noted Ariston, so if you can just learn that tilt is bad, you'll be THE most persuasive debater on here by a mile........ Telling your fellow debater "I'm not continuing, this is a slanging match" ain't gonna win many arguments, or convince peeps of the undoubted merits of your philosophy.

Iron fist in a velvet glove & all that.

At-It - yup, I know, but you had to see & hear this to believe it. You could hear it in Morecambe. Some peeps think that because they are better at poker - & most ARE better than me - that makes them a better person. Wrong. Nobody, not nobody, no how, no where, has the right to demean me. Or you. Or anyone else - just because the fates decided that a certain card would be dealt next. A little self-respect is no bad thing. "His excitement"? Rank bad manners I'd call it. Footballers rejoice in the misfortune of others, & openly rejoice when given a dubious penalty. Rugby Union players show a little more decorum. Men & boys, see?. Do yo really think that sort of behaviour will encourage MORE or LESS newbies into our game? Honest answer, yes or no....... (And yes, I do know the respect & freindship you have for the guy in question, which makes your position difficult. But yes or no?).

I disagree the BB is in the pot and available to be won, it's not like he can take it back.

He only has 2 options:
1) Pass
2) Call for 4800 to try and win the additional 7300 already out there.

I said I dont want to get into any further slanging matches tony...bad choice of words I can now see that. Now I am on the big blind I have to call 4800 and I am looking at a pot of 7300 (eg the money in the middle including his raise of 4800). This means I have to call a further 4800 to win 7300....its not rocket science mate (yes I already included the 800...it is included in the 7300 pot that is in the middle- 4800 to call)

Keeping these things calm & civil is one of those things about poker that mystifies me. Sit at a Final Table, good natured, bunch of mates, all having fun. The moment the word "business" is mentioned, they all grow horns, start snarling & swearing & shouting. Wotsamatterwivem?

When you are a small stack, you'll be rooting for the big blind to fold far more often than you want a call. With a hand like AJo if I know the big blind would call with 47o I'd still prefer a fold. The play can be a good one as will discourage blind steals from most payers (including myself).

I do have alot of respect for him ,however he can have a bad attitude i agree! I'm not one for rub downs etc at the table... maybe a bit of chat but all in good jest!

The thing is tony i don't think it is good for the game but the tv coverage that people watch seems to be focussed on the loudest people etc! Maybe they don't want to watch 9 silent poker players round a table!

They want the hellmuth The mouth tony g etc etc... The tv coverage we see gives the impression to new players that its good to do all those anticts! and that it is acceptable. First tourney i played in america i was shocked into silence with rubdowns table talk etc! Hopefully our game does'nt head down exactly the same route... But the game will still bring more people into it but we will have alot more of the screaming and shouting that goes with the ESPN coverage!

I did'nt see it and if i had i would've said something to him, i think he did try and apologise to you... but it is no excuse i suppose that he got over excited! The short tilme i have been playing i have not had to deal with many rubdowns etc! Many of the younger players at the mo do not really get into that ( me, jp, flushy calls everyone fish thats about all he can come up with) It s the older players that seem to set a bad example, and if time penalty's etc are'nt brought in then these incidents are only going to become more frequent!

Not sure whether i answered tony, more of a babble on!

In short i do think that new players will come into the game whether these things happen or not, they will just come in with the attitude that its ok to do it! Now whether outside sponsors come in thats another matter!

once he puts it in the pot it is no longer his money

But clearly he can win it - is that from a different situation here?

We're not counting the BB twice, if we don't class it as part of the pot where do we factor it in?

So what does everyone think of my table talk and excitement, I think the 888.com final is on today over there, maybe I will be the next player to be torn apart ????????  I  dont consider myself as having BAD manners, what do you think????? I also defend Tony G!!

You should have listened to the B.S. that I was talking to the guy that won the 888.com when we were in the break area before we started heads up play, you would have SHIT!!!!!

Surrinder has no problem w/ Tony G in Paris last year, he could care less, Surrinder is a true pro and I think that says alot!

I dont want to play w/ 9 silent players, I think some people need to get a grip, this forum is for debating, learning, ect.

NOT TO PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and I am a little sick of some people that need to prove they are smarter or better than others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I am going to the bar to watch my replay of the WSOP on ESPN, What do you think about that? My WSOP show on ESPN 8) :blonde:

no ariston has to call 4800 to win 4800 +2500
and get his 4800 stake back

i dont need to prove i am right KIV told me i am right and thats good enough for me

 ;applause;

you got me again

I was going ask the same question brian, what do people think of your antics!

I personally think your a great laugh, and you add something to every game you play(VALUE)lol but over here your ways would seem over the top and out of order to alot of people!

If I posted every questionable play that I made there would be no room for anything else, what people need to do is learn from these plays, also learn from the players about why they made the play!

Dont rip them, I like to learn from everyone, I find I learn more from other "rookies" than the seasoned "pros"

Just my take on some of this, off to the bar to watch that TV thing :D

your right, I dont care, if I break the rules I should pay, if not to bad 8)

by the way, this thread has had the most trafic and the most responses???????  Wonder why??????  You tell me!

I think it comes down to perception. In what way is something said? RED DOG mentioned it earlier.

Now that I know you Brian there is nothing offensive you could say to me. I would just laugh.:D

Tony's comments do not fall into that category however and nor do some of the rubdowns mentioned.

They're out of line - but again I'm annoyed with myself for posting about it, as it's only giving the players who do it the effect they crave.

Nuff said.

 ;applause; :respect: ;applause;

good stuff, i agree w/ the over the line stuff and Tony G, but he will pay for it in the long run, just dont think he should be torn apart?

I remember the CPC qualifier when I played on the same table as you on Crypto and you were a total gent to me and everyone else. Well... apart from the woman who stalked you after she limped re-raised all in when her AQ got busted by your 54. :D

Perhaps not. However he's a big boy. He's made a statement - not his first controversial one - and he needs to accept critisisms for it, which in fairness to him I'm sure he does with broad shoulders.

As I've said though, the "tearing apart" you mention is probably exactly the reaction he wanted. He's tilted half of blonde for the next time they face him. ;)

thats what I am talking about, now I consider that a real problem!!!!

yeap, but everyone needs to learn how to play against all kinds of players

Agreed. He's made himself a target now though. It may just come back to haunt him.

I'm off out for a quiet one, followed by fifteen loud ones.

Night all, have a good one.

Take it easy Bri.

I knowtony from a while back and couldnt agree more ,he is not a bad lad and would go out of his way to help anybody.  I often thought u could put this pantomime down to the players experience and in many cases u can sorry inexperience.You must not forget that the money involved with most of these younger players, not only have they never made as much in one hit or realised what in real terms it can buy but they become intoxicated for want of a better word by it .Whilst tony is not in that category, the younger players ,hitting in the big ones have not learnt how to handle it hence they appear for a year and disappear just as quick.  So we can assume some are on a high and flying,but what about the others.   Human naturebeing what it is means some people are not very pleasant these can be handled you know what you see is what you get. So we are left with the rest,  2 different types  maybe more type 1 friendly rivalry not much wrong with 2 friends taking the piss out of each other generaly they can be found in the bar together long after everybody else is tucked up in bed the best of mates .What of the others.Now these are the problem,a problem if they are allowed to get to you looking for help from officials unless you are worldfamous you are wasting your breath.  For these people to succeed they need a reaction from u theiropponent without that reaction they have failed.So when the diatribe has ended,what happens, they sit down,funny thing is the restof the table are all waiting with sharpened knives and everybody is dying to stick it in .     That takes care of the ones who have control of themselves.So to the ones who fly of the handle. I think this is something to do with Focus and being in the Zone,it doesnt happen in ring games well rarely.I do know i get a little bit tetchy and sharp with the boss when Iam trying to break a 4 day losing run after 22 years she knows whats going down.  In a tournament the pressure is different obviously ! mistake and your out so it is greater,how we handlethis we heve to look at the most successfull players. Heres an interesting one EDDIE SCHARF 2 WSOP bracelets job pilot for big german airline.Pressure none till it conks out in mid air then the doggy doo hits the fan.His assimilation of pressure Iwould think is almostendless,I have played a bit with him only once did i see him get upset, there was something going on between 2 other players in the game              I am getting round to the thought  thatin this case its about the handling of pressure some people can very well  and some  cannot,also the amount of pressure but then we all knew that.           Players make their own pressure to a certain extent and when you are under extreme you find out what kind of person you are and you dont like what you see afterwards. Thats life  8)

 ;bump;

What happened to this bird?

And this dude?

Who can forget smithy the degen............

Sunday is banned I think

er.......LOL, king grimmer.

Ha Ha I miss this guys rants........this smiley was invented for him ;popcorn;

Thread delivers!!

5 year old dead thread why bump it with nothing new to add?

nostalgia ldo

Comedy value too IMO.......

I thought the thread was quite funny until I read ariston talking about how AQ is utter trash when facing a raise. I'm now pretty tilted, it's an Ace and a QUEEN, yo.

cliffnotes pls

cba, read it you lazy sod........

Fun thread. Like a who's who of banned blondeites.

Whatever happened to Heidi? Does she still play poker? hasn't logged onto to blonde since 2007.

And is Ariston banned?

Heid was promoted to a new job, training and managing moderators for a social networking compnay. At that point, unable to spend much time online at blonde, she left as a mod and left poker behind

Trace T is not banned but fell out with blonde over Poker 4 Charity, she being a close friend of the Newths and of the opinion that the blonde thread about P4C when that controversy reigned was very unfair to them. She can be found posting on THM

Ariston ripped me to shreds repeatedly on a thread when we had to ask Snoopy and No Flops to leave. Fair enough, I'm fair game. He subsequently wrote to the mods and asked to be banned. They obliged, and I took no part in that decision

Sunday8pm is banned. He insulted a female member on the forum. He since apologised to the person and the moderators but unfortunately just before he was banned he managed to offend a blonde member of staff/moderator/shareholder with a post about a member of that person's family, very severely. He writes frequently asking to be unbanned and the decision has not been reversed

I believe he disappeared up a big dark hole.

His own?

Good read.

This...


Followed by this....


.... made me LOL

I missed his strat tips though.

Fold AQ to a raise, always.

Call all ins with 104off providing you stare down your opponent and somehow come to the conclusion their hand is AK or AQ.

solid strat!!!

might use that strat on sunday ;) :P

Just read this thread from start too finish as I'm new too blonde I never relised that Tony G use too be apart of it...
Was an interesting read.... Lol

I assume Tony G no longer frequents Blonde?

Never post strategy advice.  In 2014 someone will dig it up and laugh at it, however valid it might have been at the time.

No!

Oh the stories we could tell.

Interesting that 5 years on I would still be asking the same questions ...guess that means I havent learnt much  ;D

LOL

Shoot!

We are up all night for the Titans/Texans clash , so we've plenty of time.

Tighty u cant make a remark like that and not tell.

Fire away.

jesus so many heroes itt

Excellent bumpage

zomg was just talking about this thread to Mike Sexton (sick brag) get to my room and find it bumped, incred