Tony G response

[dik9]

I am genuinely interested in other peoples views as to what is acceptable as well, feel free to contribute. I am not singling you out, Brian except that I am sure you will answer honestly. I promote a number of tournies as well as some Private tournament directing and I do want to know peoples views.

My View is there is absolutely no need and it is unacceptable!

[The Truth]

Thanks Dik - would you (if you had 100% control) impose a penalty on someone 'rubbing down'  an eliminated opponent?

[wsopin07]

Brian you state you want to be known as the table captain - thats fine in my book. However how about when a player is eliminated? Do you feel the kill has been achieved or do you feel it is acceptable to stand over your prey in order that they feel humilated?

I am genuinely interested in other peoples views as to what is acceptable as well, feel free to contribute. I am not singling you out, Brian except that I am sure you will answer honestly. I promote a number of tournies as well as some Private tournament directing and I do want to know peoples views.

no, but you dont know the history, a lot of players dont like me because I am aggresive, they give me a lot of xxxx, if they give it I will return it

[The Truth]

Brian you state you want to be known as the table captain - thats fine in my book. However how about when a player is eliminated? Do you feel the kill has been achieved or do you feel it is acceptable to stand over your prey in order that they feel humilated?

I am genuinely interested in other peoples views as to what is acceptable as well, feel free to contribute. I am not singling you out, Brian except that I am sure you will answer honestly. I promote a number of tournies as well as some Private tournament directing and I do want to know peoples views.

no, but you dont know the history, a lot of players dont like me because I am aggresive, they give me a lot of xxxx, if they give it I will return it

The history of what? Are you referring to a specific case?

[dik9]

Thanks Dik - would you (if you had 100% control) impose a penalty on someone 'rubbing down'  an eliminated opponent?

95% and I do. There is a particular gentleman that is well known in the Midlands for doing such a thing and he wont be doing it much longer if he keeps it up.

[wsopin07]

i will put a proper post in a few minutes , playing a six pack right now

[snoopy1239]

i will put a proper post in a few minutes , playing a six pack right now

playing or drinking?

[The Truth]

Dik

What do you consider a reasonable penalty for 'rubbing down' and would you have it written into the rule book at the Broadway?

[Ironside]

if someone outdraws me and then stands up to give me the rubdown as i leave the table they better hope they have a good cup on as my elbows do have a habbit of hitting places they shouldn't

i think that is a good enough penalty

[wsopin07]

i will put a proper post in a few minutes , playing a six pack right now

playing or drinking?

both

[The Truth]

 

[RED-DOG]

Dik

What do you consider a reasonable penalty for 'rubbing down' and would you have it written into the rule book at the Broadway?

First of all, how would you define a 'Rubdown?'

[dik9]

COLLUSION, CRITISISM, CONDUCT AND ETIQUETTE

Ladies and Gentleman,

   Poker is a fair and just game, where everyone starts off as equals. It is essential for the running of a cardroom, that this is understood by all. No unfair advantage can be obtained by any player. “Stroke pulling” will not be tolerated regardless of how insignificant it seems. Any player, who spots an infringement, must report it immediately to the cardroom supervisor.
   Due to growing popularity of poker on the television, people seem to think that it is acceptable to use “verbal” to confuse and obtain an advantage. Although some people feel this is part of the game, it is once again an unfortunate Americanism. This cardroom DOES NOT operate this policy! “Verbal” is not part of the game. The same rule applies to criticism. Every player is allowed to play their cards, as they see fit, without fear of intimidation from others. You pay, you play, you decide, you follow your head and cards, and you accept the flop and most important you accept the outcome, regardless of how unjust the odds go against you, or even for you!
   During a competition, after acquiring a number of chips, some players find it necessary to go for a wander (sit on chips). Please have the courtesy to remain at the table and play your cards.
   Passing of chips is also forbidden, the supervisor has the right to view any cards at any stage of the game. If the supervisor feels, in their opinion, this has happened; the supervisor has the right to disqualify both players, without any monies being returned.
   When a hand is in progress, talking at the table should be restricted to active players and dealers making decisions on their hand when their turn comes to act. This will assist the dealer and keep the game swift and precise. If a dealer becomes confused he may nominate one person to assist in the previous action recall. If a conclusion cannot be met, the supervisor will be called to resolve the situation. Only the dealer’s hands are allowed into the pot.
ENGLISH ONLY WILL BE SPOKEN IN THE CARDROOM AT ALL TIMES
FOR THE SAME REASON, WHISPERING IS ALSO PROHIBITTED!!
AGGRESSION OR ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

Mobile phones if used during a hand will result in that players hand being mucked, regardless of the chips already committed.
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Thank you for your co-operation and remember to please keep the game clean!
Rich



13.01 PRINCIPLES OF POKER ETIQUETTE.
Issues presented in this Article are not rules, per se, but relate to the orderly maintenance of the game and civility among those who participate in the game. A player who repeatedly violates these principles of Poker Etiquette is a disruption to the game, and accordingly is subject to discipline, up to and including ejection from the game and being suspended or barred from the cardroom. The dealer shall call a floorperson to the table regarding improper behavior either at the request of a player or any time when the orderly flow of the game is impeded by violations of poker etiquette. Application of this principle rests completely within the discretion of the floorperson, who must exercise particularly good judgment in enforcing it, since many of the issues involved are subjective. That subjectivity is the reason these matters are not presented as rules. As noted in certain other rules, the floorperson should enforce these principles of etiquette less stringently with inexperienced players. Notwithstanding that, a player shall respect and play the game in conformity with the principles of poker etiquette.
13.02 TALKING, CRITIQUING, ETC.
In the United Kingdom NO talking is allowed during the play of a hand. A player who has won a pot should not needle a player who has lost the pot. No player should critique another's play. No player should give lessons at the poker table. While acting is a part of the game, a player should not engage in deceptive conduct which delays the game, or which abuses other players at the table. A player should not criticize another player; a player may play any cards at any time without criticism.

[The Truth]

Dik

What do you consider a reasonable penalty for 'rubbing down' and would you have it written into the rule book at the Broadway?

First of all, how would you define a 'Rubdown?'

Exactly RED-DOG why originally I was asking what people thought acceptable and what they thought unacceptable.

What would you consider acceptable?

[tikay]

Wow! A fun day, I see.....

Here's my take, for what it's worth.

Tony G & blondepoker have, today, parted company. The parting was most amicable. It was not connected, in any way, with the Monte Carlo stuff, it was about other issues, mainly technical, software problems, & policy matters.

I chatted at length with Tony this afternoon. We remain on very good terms. He can't defend himself on here any more, & I'd like you to bear that in mind.

I reported the facts in Monte Carlo, & have no regrets at doing so. Tony & I discussed the matter at length that day, & again the following morning, at which time he was chip leader & nailed on to Final. He, just prior to start of play on Day Three with a huge stack of chips, regretted his previous day's outburst, but admitted he could not help it, his adrenelin gets high & these things happen. My view on that sort of behaviour is well known, & that's blondepoker's position too. He then went & played, somehow lost his entire mountain of chips, finished on the Final "bubble", then entered the Consolation Comp & lost his starting stack almost immediately. It's not hard then, to imagine his mindset when he made the infamouus "Camel Post". That's not to defend it or him - them's the facts.

Should we (or the beleagured Miods, in my absence) have deleted the Post? Maybe, probably, but his position in blonde made that a tricky call for the Mods & Iron, none of whom are Shareholders in blonde. They had to delete a Post by a Partner in blonde, that is a VERY tricky one, so let's bear that in mind, too. The comments about The Camel & THM WERE unacceptable, & I'd delete them in a flash in normal circumstances, but this was not "normal", & you need to see the dilemma the Mods were in. Delete it now? Not a lot of point NOW, as everyone has seen it.

On behalf of blonde, I apologise to Camel, & to all of the Hendon Mob. I HAVE spoken to Ross, Barny, Joe & Ram personally, apologised to them on behalf of blonde, & there it rests. I have not yet spoken to The Camel, but I will.

blonde supports poker with a smile, & tries, in it's own small way, to be a force for good in poker. I don't like to see players being given a rubdown after a beat, end of story, simply because I believe we all ought to behave in reasonably decent manner to our fellow players.

I was on the wrong end of the mother & father of rubdowns last week in Blackpool, after I had been outdrawn, & I did not enjoy it one bit. I don't play poker so that folks can belittle me when they've got lucky, & I don't suppose many other folks do, either.That's my personal belief, take it or leave it.

Tony no longer has the ability to defend himself on here, so I hope you will bear that in mind. Debate his behaviour all day & all night if you wish, but keep it "clean", don't be offensive please. Yes, I know Tony WAS offensive, but two wrongs don't make it right, & I've apologised to the relevant parties. I've told Tony this afternoon that we will respect his inability to respond to attacks on him on blonde. I want to stay on terms with the fella, so does Dave.

Tony's departure from blonde, I emphasise, was nothing whatsoever to do with Monte Carlo. But, as it happens, it does solve another problem, in that Tony's table manners were not always consistent with what we preach on blonde. Our position remains as was, & the problem is resolved now.

The rules on flaming etc on blonde remain as was, & I hope I've explained why, in this single case, an exception was allowed to stand. I have asked the Mods to resume normal service from here on in.

I note one or two comments that blonde is "going downhill"  or "jaded" in the opinion of some. So be it. The bigger blonde gets, the harder it becomes to keep everyone happy, & ultimately, it just ain't possible. We know EXACTLY to whom we wish to appeal, & we are happy to remain focused on that segment of the poker community.

And if we fail? Too bad. We, thats "Team blonde", together with the Admins & Mods HAVE done our best to keep it the way we want it, & the way we think you like it. So if we fail, well, in a weird way, it does  not matter, because we did our best. What more can anyone do?

Nobody died, or got hurt, & much worse things happen in the real world.

Tomorrow we shall have fun.

OK, I'm off to Walsall.

Have a good evening!

xx