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Would appreciate some opinions on this hand.

148 starters in this and we are down to the last 38. Blinds at 400/800. There are 1.2m chips in play so the average is around 30k. We've had a couple of hits and find ourselves struggling at around half that, circa 17k. Our table has just broken and this is the 3rd hand at our new table, so no info on villain, except the fact he is well stacked.

Villain raises to 2,400 from mp and we look down to see 10-10 in the bb...so another 1,600 to call. Does anyone push here? 4-5k less and this becomes a push for me but pushing for 17k seems excessive, gets most hands I beat folding, and raising gets me kinda committed. So I call and we go to the flop with 5,200 in the pot. Opinions on the pre-flop action?

Flop comes  Ad  9h  3d

I check and big stack bets 2,400. What is your preferred line here? I figured if I CRAI only an Ace calls and all other hands fold, so I make a floating type call but still feel I could have the best of it. Am interested to see what he does on the turn if a brick hits.

6s on the turn makes a board of

Ad  9h  3d  6s

I check again and villain puts me all-in. What do you do?

antes in this comp?

Not at this stage. Kick in at 1k/2k at Walsall.

Ever seen him before?

No

What colour shoes was he wearing?

He looked like a loafer kind of guy, but considering I couldn't see his feet I could only speculate about colour. Let's say brown. Brown fecking loafers. With those tassle things. ok.

In that case i am thinking he probs plays a bit online given he is playing a £200 and you have never seen him before so i am going to suggest a really small 3 bet pre to induce a 4 bet shove, against anyone else they would think ZOMG small 3 bet must be AA!!

Nah, the guy was about 60. A 60 year-old-loafer-wearing-tassle-dad type, so would deffo put internet and new fangled in the same sentence. So he would think A-A if I did that.

Just jam pre then.

Fair enough. As played would you be more inclined to call or fold?

live reads here imo. make him sweat for a couple of minutes then decide. online its a fold i think.

Difficult to read a guy you've never played with before after just 3 hands. What default behaviour would you be comparing it to?

thats pretty interestin, I was thinking the opposite, that it would be more likely to be a call online as I'd assume that the robots would (generally) check the turn with hands like  weakA/KK/QQ/JJ/draws either flopped or backdoored,  for pot control etc and jam it with hands that have close to no showdown value OR hands like big ace/ sets etc,  whereas live they could easily just slam it in without thinking with stuff like KK--JJ, and the profile of the player makes it quite likely this person could fit such a character.. but you are really great online player and I dont play live, so pretty much Im just babbling.

Id jam it in pre, and as played, prolly fold the turn as his bet sizing from the flop --->  stink and I'd make a laser like (incorrect) read and put him on JJ--KK

pfft, I know poker's a game of incomplete info but seriously?

I drop a chip near his chair for info.

lol...This.

I re-raise pre in this spot btw.

Also, against a 60 YO loafer wearing old guy, you're almost certainly behind here. Fold the turn and curse myself for not re-raising pre flop.

fold the flop

not this

in fact anything but this.

bolt. The guy was in mp and I was bb. How do I drop a chip near his chair? Please think about what you say.

by calling all you do is build a pot with a very marginal hand out of position giving yourself difficult decisions on the turn and river.
cut your losses at 2400 ,
and think why did i not 3 bet / shove pre

At the time my inclination was the guy was weak when he raised. I can't back that up with hard facts cos I'd just arrived at the table. But my sense was this guy was raising light. I felt if I played back at him pre he would surely fold. This led to me to favour the call to attempt to get some value from the hand and change my situation. But can't argue with the point this strategy presents difficult situations.

With your stack size I would prob fold flop or jam pre.

I think on the turn this is a fold

So you just come up with unsubstantiated tassle related conjecture!!!

I hope you can back it up with something further cos Noble is gonna get round to this thread eventually and you can be sure he'll require a lot more explination than: "he looked like a loafer kind of guy"!!

I probs just jam pre too but once we've taken this line i cant give the flop up to c-bet here

You're placing undue attention on shoe colour anyway. Shoe-sock colour combos are going to be far more useful for gleaning information from an unknown. If said villain had black slip-ons accompanied by white socks we could ascertain he is a single man. He would therefore be a relatively cautious player because he would be reluctant to return to an empty flat early doors.

The plan was to check-jam any non A/K flop. The A presents the problem...as does his big change of direction with bet sizing.

what do I know, but I reckon when you flat call the flop he puts you on the flush draw and overbet on the turn wants to shut you out of the odds to hit it on river

I fold the turn (surprise surprise) even though its tempting to regard the big overbet as weak

I shove pre, mainly because oop w 1010 too many overcards gonna drop and give us headaches. hate our position too at this stage of comp, im really hoping he calls with AK/AQ and we can get to work again.

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Obv I feel the same. But like I say I had a strong inclination that the guy folds if I play back pre. I'm new at the table, he's well stacked, I'm not, and when he saw his hand he looked like he was folding before deciding to raise. So if you hate your position and want to change it then pushing for another 15k with the 10-10 seems counter-productive. Is it worth dicing with the potential overcards scenario if this is the only way to get business? Also it was the first pair I'd seen in 2 hours and looking down on it was like Vincent Vega opening that briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

i think you usually have to fold here but if your looking for reasons to make a hero call then if he looks nervous or uncomfortable then you can maybe find a call (obv he could look uncomforatble and stilll have the best hand)

thats cool, we augment by 20%. I dont think we can trap w 1010 oop w our stack v an unknown w no history very effectively.

 give him a chance to make a bad call or do something dumb like fold a flip, always tough w no initiative to play guessing games in these spots from my experience, make life easy.

RESULT:

Thankyou for the advice all

When tassle-guy set me all-in I realised my trap was, in fact, a bollox trap. Even so, I still would have called his overbet on a rainbow A-high board, but the thought process that eventually got me to fold was this...."I reckon when you flat call the flop he puts you on the flush draw and overbet on the turn wants to shut you out of the odds to hit it on river". So thanks to Richard for that contribution. He showed 7-8o for a turned straight draw...and gave me an unintentional rub-down by saying he was sure the 10 was coming. Hate his play personally. Pleased with my initial read of weakness though, and of course he does fold if I play back pre. However, it was the fact that I had been card dead, and only had a stack to dance like John Sergeant that led me down a very complicated path. My line works really well on a good deal of flops, but when you're running like Stephen Hawking it's a bit stupid to try entering a marathon. The last post from Alex tells you why. Everyone who said push pre is correct imo. Everyone who said fold turn made me feel better.

I hate when people do this.  Its like they are saying look I am such a great player, it was semi bluff he still had outs I respect the guy that shoves on me with 9 4 or something of that ilk that puts me on mega life tilt! The 7 8o just makes me wanna rip of his head and piss in his neck.