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why is it that some one who comes to England claims asylum
 on the grounds his life is under threat.
then takes his backs and goes to Iraq and Afghanistan to kick his drugs habit ,what a joke .
these 2 places are where the main source of theses drugs are coming from.
then he gets locked up ,and decides he wants to come back to Britain.
when are the government going to stand up to these idiots ,all they want to do is harm the western civilisation.

i mean why let some one into the country with a drugs habit,we have enough of our own smack heads .
it really makes my blood boil to see these people coming into the country and taking what they can get .
what do they give back sweet  F A.

it is estimated that its going to cost £1m to watch him a year.
how many nurses or teachers would that pay a year.
this is a sick country we live in ,its about time some thing was done.

                                                       

This was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Monster raving loony party.

lol ,you must agree though kev .
its a sick society we live in .

translation please

Link to news story anyone?

I really don't want to get involved in this arguement, but a lot of immigration into this country has been very beneficial filling jobs that the UK population were unwilling or unqualified to do.

So if this is an anti-immigration rant, i whole heartedly disagree with the OP. Of course this individual story may well be very badly handled and i am not condoning it.

I 100% agree with what what Longy said.

Here's the immigrant OP is referring to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7906381.stm

As you can see..OP has been reading the Daily Mail version of events.

LOL

[ ] OP's version was an accurate surmisation

did anyone read doyle's take on torture in his blog, i think it was last week? basically torture's just fine and dandy as long as it's against someone who looks like they might be a terrorist,

doyle is oooooooooooooooold skool!

still struggling to understand barry's op but it certainly doesn't seem to match up with that bbc story.

bloke seeks asylum, is granted leave to stay, goes on holiday, is arrested then imprisoned and tortured by US for 6 years before they decide he hasn't actually done anything wrong. maybe a little sympathy for the bloke is in order here?

[ ] I agree with OP

But the guy has a funny name and a beard - what more evidence do you need that he's a wrong'un?

It'd help if he had a ticking backpack.

pfft, rookie misatke, you cant give the infidels that kind of warning!

i'm pretty sure you get half of you virgins taken away from you if folk were running about all over the place screaming and got away before you detonated the bomb because your backpack was ticking, thats rule no 2 in the terror handbook of jihad right behind:

1)do a video blog and chuck it on youtube, has to contain about how great allah is and how you washed your feet in the morning; please note- blog should contain forewarning of impending death to the west and not details of what meals your pet dog like to eat, this is jihad not facebook!

Amazing how all these muslims / islamic converts just happened to be in Afganistan when USA/UK was fighting a war there against the Taleban - They must be really unlucky!

You would think they would all be in Mecca.

If I suddenly found Catholicism I would head for Rome not Northern Ireland!!

why would you head anwhere?

just carry on with your job and your bird and going out on the weekend.

+ 1

We evidently need at least one more teacher, and probably a nurse too.

POTW

ya, genius

Err, yes, exactly.

And, when the Guan-Bay stories start to emerge, as they shortly will, boy oh boy, you are in for some shocks. There was  no excuse for what happened in there to peeps who had not even been tried - none at all.

If Laddo was not a Terrorist when he went into Guan-Bay, he sure will be now.

why did we let him stay here at all?

because

His application was rejected, but in 2000 he was given exceptional leave to remain in the UK for four years.



so if the IA could be arssed to do their job properly we would not have a problem

His brother was interviewed on 5Live, he's a doctor in America.  He was asked if he thought his brother was innocent and he obviously replied yes.  Then he was asked when he last saw him and he said 2000 or 2001, which was just before this guy changed religion and flew off on his holidays, about 2 years before he was banged up.  

Also, I thought they mentioned that he was caught after using a false passport but the website fails to mention it.  Perhaps I misheard this bit.    

I'm not implying he's guilty, just a couple of issues that made me go "mmmmmm"

We told him there was a very accomplished thread starter emerging, worth sticking around for

I knew it was dewi's fault

this is just false logic

you hear about the US arresting people in afghanistan/pakistan because they have jurisdiction to go and arrest people in these countries.

you do not hear about the US arresting people in mecca as they have no jurisdiction in saudi arabia.

plus non muslims are not even allowed to enter mecca so if the american army wanted to pick people up there they would not only have to send in covert teams, they'd have to find islamic recruits to form these teams. wonder why they don't do that

Out of order. You are way too tall to make such judgements.

the decision was probably overturned on appeal.  It doesn't follow that the original decision must have been the correct one and the appeal panels' flawed.

I'm sorry but if I'm going to choose a holiday its not going to be Afghanistan or Iraq .
he went there for one reason ,why should we (great Briton ) take him back.
why didn't he claim asylum in one of these country's ?.

are you related to sofa king?

the US government held and tortured the guy for 6 years and still couldn't come up with as much as a parking violation to charge him with yet somehow you feel you can assume he's a terrorist based on a newspaper article that you've clearly misread

Here is the statement by Binman Mohamed, via his lawyers.......




'I hope you will understand that after everything I have been through I am neither physically nor mentally capable of facing the media on my arrival back to Britain. Please forgive me if I make a simple statement through my lawyer. I hope to be able to do better in days to come.
I have been through an experience that I never thought to encounter in my darkest nightmares.
Before this ordeal, 'torture' was an abstract word to me. I could never have imagined that I would be its victim.
It is still difficult for me to believe that I was abducted, hauled from one country to the next, and tortured in medieval ways - all orchestrated by the U.S government.
While I want to recover, and put it all as far in my past as I can, I also know I have an obligation to the people who still remain in those torture chambers. My own despair was greatest when I thought that everyone had abandoned me. I have a duty to make sure that nobody else is forgotten.
I am grateful that in the end I was not simply left to my fate. I am grateful to my lawyers and other staff at Reprieve, and to Lt Col Yvonne Bradley, who fought for my freedom.
I am grateful to the members of the British Foreign Office who worked for my release.
And I want to thank people around Britain who wrote to me in Guantanamo Bay to keep my spirits up, as well as to the members of the media who tried to make sure that the world knew what was going on.
I know I would not be home in Britain today if it were not for everyone's support. Indeed, I might not be alive at all. I wish I could say that it is all over, but it is not.
There are still 241 Muslim prisoners in Guantanamo. Many have long since been cleared even by the U.S. military, yet cannot go anywhere as they face persecution.
And I have to say, more in sadness than in anger, that many have been complicit in my own horrors over the past seven years.
For myself, the very worst moment came when I realised in Morocco that the people who were torturing me were receiving questions and materials from British intelligence.
I had met with British intelligence in Pakistan. I had been open with them. Yet the very people who I had hoped would come to my rescue, I later realised, had allied themselves with my abusers.
I am not asking for vengeance; only that the truth should be made known, so that nobody in the future should have to endure what I have endured. Thank you.'

It is being widely reported that......

his U.S. captors hung him from wrist straps, beat him and mutilated his genitals with a scalpel to make him confess to a 'dirty bomb' plot

He was never so much as Charged with committting any crime.

what I'm trying to say is why should we (GB) take him back ,he wasn't born here ,hes come to this country claiming his life is at risk .
I'm sorry but i find that a load of b.....x ,why then pack your bags and go to the 2 country's in the world where there is bombings and shootings every day.
 

the trouble with this country is there are to many do gooders ,and to many people that just sit back and let it happen .
so you think it is right then for us to pay all this tax and then realise we have to foot the bill to look after some one who has no right to it .
why the hell would any one want to travel with a false passport in the first place your asking for trouble .
then when he gets caught he starts screaming about human rights ,this guy was up to no good .
 he will be brought here and treat better than the people that fought for us in the 2ND world war .


come on you cant tell me you cant actually feel for this guy ,he must have been watched .
I'm sorry but i haven't got an ounce of feeling for him ,they should turf him out now .
before you start saying I'm prejudice ,I play and travel with Asians .

If he's innocent (and he hasn't been proved guilty of anything) - then yes I do feel sorry for someone who has been systematically tortured and deprived of his human rights for over 6 years!

Why does the place someone happened to be born make them any different to anyone else?

like i have said why come to Britain claim asylum then shoot of to Iraq and Afghanistan .
do you not think that is unusual in that sense .
why should he be given asylum in the first place .
whether he done anything or not why should he be allowed back .
he thought he was safe in Afghanistan (what man would want to go to a country like that ) would you i know i wouldn't .
why not stay there (BTW they dont give state handouts ).

Anyome remember that great film, in black & white, starring Peter Sellars - "I'm all right, Jack"?

lol .sounds about right.

QFT

wow...just wow.

Obviously you couldn't even be bothered reading the entire Daily Mail story.

If only blonde was representative of the wider British public.

Can any explain why these people always seem to head for Britain?

As far I can see we have no major historical connection to Ethiopia, what did he do - google 'free benefits' and then decide Britain's the place to be.


Why does he want to return to this county then! rather than anyone of a number of Islamic countries.

Also his leave to remain has long since expired so we have no legal obligation to take him in.

I think this country owes him a moral obligation, a debt which will never be repaid.

Yeah there is no ethnic minorities in France or in fact most western european countries, good point.

/ Sarcasam.

1) Are their no 'safe' countries in the whole of Africa?
2) I do not recall there being camps of refugees at Dover desperate to get into France! unlike the Sangat camp


For what exactly?

1) Offering leave to stay? - What doe he do with his new life in Britain away from the threat of persecution in Ethiopia? spend his time taking drugs and then decides to visit Afganistan apparently using a false passport!
2) Getting him of the USA?
3) Allowing him to come back here?

As far I can tell the only thing we did against him was share intelligence with the USA, a thing that has kept us safe for a long time.

For the record I am totally against: -

the use of torture,
the 42 days without trial idea &
ID cards.

I am fully supportive of our freedoms and civil liberties, but this does not mean I have to give this guy the benefit of the doubt as I also have the right to my opinion.

1) Well not many truly safe countries, South Africa and Egypt would probably top the list. Both those countries have internal problems with crime and terroisms. Also both have massive racial problems, where an Ethopian's life would be pretty miserable. The only country that has colonial links with Ethopia is Italy, when Mussolini invaded in the 30's.

2) Now come on I don't believe your geography can be that bad.

I think you will find that this is down to bad spelling.

That's not really relevant with refugees though is it? The whole thing about being a refugee is that you are fleeing your country because it is absolute hell for you - if you stay your life will be in immediate great peril. In such a situation you'd be glad of the nearest place which is better than wherever you were - if you feel able to pick and choose your new country out of an atlas then maybe you're not a proper refugee but just an economic migrant.

There are more economic migrants in the UK than genuine asylum seekers.

yes most of them are trained nurses and doctors we have pillaged from Africa.

 :hello:

A bit of a "no-shit Sherlock" statement there, mate. There are also tonnes of Brits living abroad who went there to work, or even worse..retire.

Economic migrants keep this country going. They do the shitty jobs you don't want to do...(and when they work in Oil refineries and telecomms because you lot are all lazy, have a bad working attitude and are generally shit at your jobs (and I'm only 75% joking there) )

I also think Andrew is missing the point a bit when it comes to "proper refugees" (what a nasty term that is BTW..it just reeks IMO). There is nothing wrong with going to a country that is not necesarily right next door when your live is in peril....you could move slightly further away to a country of which you speak the language, where you understand the culture and because you think you can build a better life here..by working hard. Does a French Jew need to move to Belgium if he is persecuted? Or can he maybe also move to Holland..or Denmark...Sweden...or even America?


And ..just for the record; I've read this once already and simply have to point out to anyone thinking that immigrants come here simply to claim benefits...let me make this very clear;

You get LESS benefits here than you do in most countries on the continent and the UK is MUCH tougher to claim benefits in. So can we please cut the "They only come here because of our benefit system" out. It is a myth that anyone actually does this....and it's driving me absolutely mental that people are thick enough to claim it. Spouting nonsense about foreigners and generally having bigotted views is one thing. Not knowing your own country is quite another.


I am very happy to be white and from Western Europe or I'd probably be in trouble for "nicking your jobs" or "undercutting British Labour" (something I heard on the radio today from one of the ignoramuses that runs Unite..the biggest bunch of semi-communist, propaganda spouting turds ever to float up from the river of shit that is the union) as they say in Scotland "Get tae F*ck!".

 It always amazes me how the British media and some corners of British society are fine with me coming over here to work but have a problem with the Polish, or someone coming over from Africa to build a better life for themselves.


Yep, happy to be 6"4, blue eyed and (used to have) blonde hair just how the Daily Mail readers..(and the Nazis) like their Arians.

Blonde hair ???

FFs 128 posts and he's got to boldie
















Lightweight  :)up rotflmfao

omg, that is without a shadow of a doubt the most incredible thing I have ever read

not sure how hows brits retiring abroad is bad for their new country. They bring over their savings / pensions and start spending it in the new country thereby boosting the economy.

It is still amusing me the thought of a load of refugees from Africa, getting their maps and thinking "How do we get to France to seek a better life", " I know what we will first go right past it, to the UK and then head for Dover".

I tell you what if they are this shrewd maybe they don't have a place in our workforce.

hypothetical question

what if all benefits of all kind stopped tomorrow

what would happen to the uk?

By driving up the house prices and generally increasing the cost of living for the poor local smucks that live there, destroying the local culture by bringing their fish and chips and their geraniums over. By being a burden on the local NHS, as soo many old people are. By not intergrating in the local community..they set up their own little colonies and God only knows what they get up to in those.
By not making an effort to speak the language..etc..etc....they simply have no business being there!










See how easy it is to make a stupid bigotted argument?

Most foreigners would be OK as they have a job....whether it'd be a legal or illegal one.

British people would run amock on the streets though and riots would break out in loads of places. Maryhill would probably burn to the ground in the riots. ;)

I had  a very interesting meet with social services on monday night and the only way that i would be able to get any assistance from them (if the worst was to happen) is to turn up with the boys saying I'm homeless!! without saying it directly she told us it would be the only way to get anywhere, so instead of common sense prevailing and probably costing about £200 a month to arrange transport it looks like I will have to do the radical thing and it would probably cost them £1000,s if i decided to come out of work to make it happen,

obviously i hope it doesnt come to it....

but the benefits system is IMO a complete joke and needs a complete overhaul...

My point was that they have made it to France, a safe country! and yet still they want to get to the UK! - one reason - benefits.

boldie your wrong in most things you say.
put it this way ,did this Mohamed pay anything towards his way in this country ? NO.

did he get free housing of the local council where he stayed ?. YES

did he pick up his drug habit here ?. NO.

where did he get his money from for the flight to Afghanistan or Iraq ,i know loads of people in work in this country who can ill afford a flight to Spain never mind these 2 country's .
as for people here being lazy that's b ....x,people are getting laid of in there thousands who want work .
this scrounger never once had a job in this country.

now I'm not saying everyone of them are the same, some do want work ,but 65% of em maybe more want the free banking system.i know this through a friend who works for the home office (immigration).

source?

EDIT: I mean, not your friend in the Home Office - but where he got it from

And we've just subsidised the banks massively, those immigrants wanting bank accounts are taking us for a ride! I bet they caused the credit crunch!

i cant say id have to shoot you lol.

you would be supprised at some of the things he has told me .
they raided a house last week in Sheffield ,in it there was 3 Iranians and 2 others .
between them they had a total of 100k and cloaning machines for atm's,
not one of these should have been in this country.

It's almost as if the UK is an Island and France is on some sort of continent.


I only skimmed the report but i am pretty sure he was grabbed in Pakistan, i don't see where you get the link to Afghanistan and Irag?!?!?


This needs more love as well! Come on people!!!

Obv what happened to him was wrong, i think as one of the only nations that had enough sway to stop what was happening there but didn't we have an obligation to look after this man for the rest of his natural life!


Of course the best solution would be to just ship Jack Bauer into G-Bay and within 24hrs (good eh?) he would have processed every inmate and be able to close the place down, he won't even need the toilet or any food.

If we had a choice of who to get rid of in this country:

A: People claiming benefits unfairly that have come to this country in the last 10 years

or

B: People born and bread in this country claiming benefits unfairly.

No brainer and I bet the amount spent on home grown layabouts is huge, maybe spend more time thinking about them than finding stories of some illegal immigrant abusing the system. Its funny most of the people complaining wouldn't grass on benefit cheats who happened to be their friends just because they are born here, they are willing to overlook they are leeching from the state in the same way a small minority of illegal immigrants are.

nah - rubbish compared to the well known blogger's "I'm not homophobic - my sister has a gay friend" :D

wow...this pretty much ends the argument for me. Well done, you've just said is that 65% of the 1.42million immigrants in this country came because your banks are great. 65% is roughtly 910k people....Amazing!...(And that when your banks are some of the worst in Europe for charges and costs..)

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_11_21/uk/2-year_immigration_statistics.htm (is where the 1.4mill comes from..note how it also says 1k people leave Brittain every day of which half are British citizens)

Your post is a stunning indictment of the British education system and shows why you need more foreigners in this country.

As for your comments with regards to Mr Mohamed....your last post pretty much invalidates your argument.

boldie you are a fool who rants on ,do you live where these immigrants are put to live ? .
i live a few miles from where they live ,the place is over run with em .
they just sit about doing nothing all day ,on street corners .
the police will not go in to there estate .

as for we need more foreigners in this country ,if we get any More this island would sink.
you should be in government ,they have f.....d this country up just like you would .

my thoughts when this thread was started was how they can let some one like this Mohamed bloke in this country.
so you and many others think its allright for us to take them in .
these people will kill many thousands of good honest hard working people of this country.
then what happens ?,all the dogooders like yourself will say he had to do it or some stupid excuse .
something has to happen before its to late .
this is a fact its in evetable (the words of Ian Blair).

Mr flush meister he was caught in Pakistan after crossing the border from Afghanistan.

Boldie is an immigrant.

I couldn't disagree more with what you've said there - but I have two questions for you.

How many immigrants have killed people in the UK in terrorist attacks (and how many people were killed)? 

How many immigrants have saved people's lives in the UK (and how many lives were saved)?

These people... These people!!  My God! I have been labled as "These people" so often in my life. I'm surprised that it still stirs any emotion in me, but it does.

im sorry if i have offended any one with my sayings but its just the feelings i have .
when i say these people i mean ,anti brits .
there is to many of em in this country .
walk down egdware road and see.

Can you answer this question?  Thanks.

AGAIN...UK benefits are HARDER to claim and you get LESS than most other European countries! God man, atleast look into things before you start spouting off this sort of nonsense.


So do most immigrants as most of them are from within the EU...unless you only relate immigrant to Africans and Asians...in which case...erm...WOW.

Really? Which "other countries" tend to have private healthcare in Europe? I am fairly sure every European country has a version of the NHS.

Ah, so that's your problem with immigrants...they send a few hundred quid a month home to provide for their family who aren't very well off.
Doesn't seem a very good reason to be against immigration to me.

We agree on this completely. I just don't think the answer to the overhaul should be to get rid of the immigrants. Honestly, it's not down to foreigners that some benefits don't go to the right people.

So by immigrants and Anti-brits you mean people of a different colour?
I say this because even though I have worked with many foreigners I still can't see the difference between a Frenchman, a German or an Eastern European (unless the Frenchman wear a beret and has Garlic cloves around his shoulder, the German goose steps through city centre saluting everyone and eating a sausage and the pole is paving my driveway obv.)

"Anti- Brits" and you can tell just by looking at them that they are...wow.

rotflmfao POTY IMO.

none to what i know off ,but only because the m15 have stopped them in there tracks
half the doctors from the Asian country's have bought there documents

there you go answered .

boldie can you tell me how some one has worked all his life served his country (and prepared to die for it)should not get what these immigrants get .

free housing free furnishings (my sister works for the social services in Sheffield),so i know this is correct.
 a good friend of mine who used to frequent my pub ,he has emphysema cant get naff all of the social security .
where as these immigrants walk in and tell them they need some thing and get it with in days .

is Mr Mohamed differant colour you plank .
that is what this was all about.

They get what they are entilted to (if they deserve it or not),and that pisses people off

just like the CSA and NHS its all broken and just doesnt work!

What I am saying is that the few immigrants taking advantage of it is not what is screwing you over...Look up some figures of foreigners on benefits and British people on benefits...I think you'll be surprised.

and this, I think, ends all discussion.

thx for having a nice discussion boldie I'm sorry i wrote that (plank)

I'm not offended by you calling me a plank...people call me a lot worse on a daily bases.

i can imagine lol.

:)

F me...I see Crow is back from Morocco...I think you might have a point about them just letting anyone in.

couldn't be bothered to read all 45 pages but here is the nation stats for recorded immigration for the uk for just oct-dec 08. enjoy

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs09/immiq408.pdf

No offence taken.

that is an excellent read...highly recommended.

well if pepole are going to comment they should have the right info, not agreeing with either side.

How does he know who's 'them' (whoever them is) and who aren't?  Do they have their passports out as they walk down the Edgeware Road?

I give up.

This has turned into a 'if you are against immigration then you are a racist!' which I am not.

For the record I have a similiar view about the IRA supporters who claim british benefits - and I am of Irish Catholic descent.

last year while walking down egdware road on my way to the Vic with Ian woodley burnley john womble etc ;
there was about 10 to 15 youths all of Asian origin who started rabbiting on in there lingo ,you could sense the hatred in there voices ,believe me its takes a lot to worry me ,but these lot did.
these are the people I'm talking about .

i am not a racist either ,i know to many Asians Jamaicans Hungarians  poles to be racist
but i am totally against letting some one in to this country for no reason.

The Scottish  :dontask:

You could sense the hatred in their voices?  Hatred of what?  Were they talking about their favourite football teams, their girlfriends, or maybe that one of them had been sacked from his job because the new manager doesn't like foreigners?

I think this thread has gone a little if you are against immigration you are racist, there is no black and white in this. You have to take each case on its own, yes there are some immigrants in this country that are here to take what they can without contributing to the nation, the same can be said about some of the natives, on the other hand there are some who do contribute and work for what they get.

I do believe that the UK has got a problem we are a soft target, we always have been always will be, we are too pc and we will get taken for a ride, but it happens in all things everywhere in the world. We are getting taken for a ride in the war zones we are in, it is a problem that is unfixable.

lol kimboshi i think you know what im on about.

No, I have no idea.  Well, I think I do.  It's called paranoia, stirred up by the tabloids.

it might have been because burnley john had his fly open.

LOL at Edgware Road being held up as an example of fermenting immigrant hatred - they're all the moneyed-up Arabs.

It's in poor areas where all the tension is. Where people feel abandoned by those in power. When they hear any hint of an outsider getting preferential treatment, it hits a nerve.

Very interesting and emotive thread this one.

I have no problem with people coming to this country legally to work, make a better life for themselves and their families, and contribute to the economy of this country. This is the majority although, as other posters have stated, there are dangerous and sensationalist elements in the media who would have you believe otherwise.

Do some people get into the country legally or illegally who shouldn't, of course they do, but thankfully they are a minority despite what you may be lead to believe by some sections of the media.

How good a news story are the hard working young polish couple coming to the UK to work and try to provide a better standard of living for their children? I use this type of immigrant as an example as they are most representative of the migrant workers in the area I originate from which does have a large population of migrant workers.  

Iraq?

very a
so argumentative

this.

Top Post, with balance, & plain old common-sense.

I dare not comment further on this Thread, some of the Posts are positively obscene. But it's impossible to reason with those who don't want to see or hear the truth.

Whatever happened to tolerance, & understanding? God never created international boundaries, we did. We are all the same, but it behoves those of us more fortunate by accident of birth to remember the less fortunate.

I have views a little different to vinne but then again I dont live in an area where he does, an area where he feels its has genuine problems. It must be shit if the police just let it slide.

nice post Grandad :)

Don't tempt me Claire, I'm doing my best not to get involved.

Best of blonde? I think not. More of a WOB than a BOB.

I empathise.  feel free to PM me if you want to get it off your chest!

Thank you, but it's best if I say nothing. When I go off on one, & get het up, I get Premiership het. And intolerance to those less fortunate is near the top of my het list.

But Vinni makes the mistake of generalising because of bad experiences he's had.

Just because my next door neighbour can sometimes be heard shouting at his wife it doesn't mean I should accuse all English men of being wifebeaters. Same sort of principal.

Obv. but then again everyone can see that apart from him (well I would sincerly hope so).