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Title: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Newmanseye on February 26, 2009, 04:27:43 AM I was in a live game tonight when a situation came up, Proper Tag player shoved with 40 big blinds, all fold to table donk who is hitting everything, table donk did his usual Raise UTG with shit as he has been all night ( no it wasn't me ! ).
Now as i remember it, Donk 130K Tag 80k blinds 1 / 2 k Donk raises to 6k Tag shoves for whole stack, Donk then tanks up and gives it the dwell, now we all;know its some sort of garbage, he then pulls out his Pda type phone ands starts tapping away on it, he's going at it for a while and eventually calls and shows 55. The bad beat for the Tag is not important but it turns out the Donk was using a poker odds programme on his pda / phone to assist him in making the call! A few people were miffed but i am unsure, It seems acceptable for someone to use this at home, is live any different? So poker assistance programmes in a live game allowed or takes an element of skill from live play? Edit as i mixed up the hands as he played a lot of shit cards Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: bolt pp on February 26, 2009, 04:45:19 AM fine imo
what difference does it make? lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call i'd be insisting he used it every hand. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: 1eyedjacks on February 26, 2009, 09:51:27 AM donk obviously didnt view 66+ as part of villains range. or maybe he liked the PDA informed 20% chance of the suckout against said range.
may i ask what the 'good' player was doing anyway, commiting al his chips preflop against the running hot donk? guess its going to have to be put in the rule book when good players start using stove at a table when facing an all-in on the flop Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: thetank on February 26, 2009, 10:08:53 AM fine imo what difference does it make? lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call i'd be insisting he used it every hand. zomg this! Seriously, it sounds like the guy would have been better off with a magic 8-ball rather than whatever it was that told him to call. Obviously it shouldn't be allowed, but in this case, the guy is being stupid so give the fish a break. A program, after all, is only as good as the data it recieves. I'd draw the line at someone who wants to consult chicken entrails before making a desicion. That shit could get messy! Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: MC on February 26, 2009, 11:39:43 AM fine imo what difference does it make? lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call i'd be insisting he used it every hand. zomg this! Seriously, it sounds like the guy would have been better off with a magic 8-ball rather than whatever it was that told him to call. Obviously it shouldn't be allowed, but in this case, the guy is being stupid so give the fish a break. A program, after all, is only as good as the data it recieves. I'd draw the line at someone who wants to consult chicken entrails before making a desicion. That shit could get messy! lmao, yeah, generally shouldn't be allowed, but think we can make an exception here. Just out of results orientated interest, what did the TAG have? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Cf on February 26, 2009, 12:27:02 PM Sounds dodgy but I'm not aware of anything explicitly disallowing this.
Could maybe make an argument under the "one person to a hand" rule? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: ScottMGee on February 26, 2009, 12:48:15 PM The Donk's hand is definitely dead - one player per hand or the use of a mobile phone at the table.
As for the TAG committing all of his chips, if he had a strong hand JJ+ why would he not want to against a donk. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Newmanseye on February 26, 2009, 03:13:46 PM The hands really are meaningless it was the use of the electronic device to make a decision tha caused debate and i was looking for more info.
Now The good player had AQ sooted, and tbh they wanted to pick up the pot as is from what she said to me, fair play as i see it, Now the beat was horrible it was uber binkage. Kd Jh Tc flop and turn and river come Js Jd for a sick beat after a magic flop. Said donk did run ridic hot, but My thoughts were use of an electronic device in a live game would be a big NONO, but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different? Valid also So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: gatso on February 26, 2009, 03:33:32 PM I'm sure there'll be rules specifically covering this soon
did it take place in a casino? if so it almost certainly broke their non game specific rules on the use of electronic devices and I could see a lot of places banning players for this Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: thetank on February 26, 2009, 03:43:36 PM but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different? Lots and lots, the two things are apples and oranges. You can play online and get your wife to mind your comp while you go to the toilet, so should this be allowed live? How about playing in the nude, or another 100 stupidly ridic things that you can do online but not live. Nonsense argument imo. So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge? lol, no No credible venue would allow such a thing Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Newmanseye on February 26, 2009, 04:13:28 PM but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different? Lots and lots, the two things are apples and oranges. You can play online and get your wife to mind your comp while you go to the toilet, so should this be allowed live? How about playing in the nude, or another 100 stupidly ridic things that you can do online but not live. Nonsense argument imo. So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge? lol, no No credible venue would allow such a thing This Happened at the Mint casino ( stanley ) in Glasgow Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: bobAlike on February 26, 2009, 08:12:02 PM This shouldn't be allowed IMO. How can anyone be sure that he wasn't txting a mate for help?
Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Dingdell on February 26, 2009, 10:20:42 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DTD.
Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: gatso on February 26, 2009, 10:26:10 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. shouldn't do anymore as grosvenor have quite bizarrely just brought in a new rule saying that your hand will now not be ruled dead Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Dingdell on February 26, 2009, 10:27:47 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. shouldn't do anymore as grosvenor have quite bizarrely just brought in a new rule saying that your hand will now not be ruled dead Really? That is bizarre. It's great rule for anti collusion and making sure the game doesn't slow down. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: tikay on February 26, 2009, 10:27:52 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). Same at any well-run establishment, imo. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: Dingdell on February 26, 2009, 10:28:30 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). Same at any well-run establishment, imo. Keep up - its been changed. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: bolt pp on February 27, 2009, 12:39:56 AM but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different? Lots and lots, the two things are apples and oranges. You can play online and get your wife to mind your comp while you go to the toilet, so should this be allowed live? How about playing in the nude, or another 100 stupidly ridic things that you can do online but not live. Nonsense argument imo. So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge? lol, no No credible venue would allow such a thing what about in the Cincinnati kid that guy plays writing everything down in his book, if he's doing math is the book and pen not allowed? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: ScottMGee on February 27, 2009, 01:53:26 PM Quote what about in the Cincinnati kid that guy plays writing everything down in his book, if he's doing math is the book and pen not allowed? 1) Its a film 2) There is a world of difference between working something out yourself on a piece of paper and using a computer. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: kinboshi on February 27, 2009, 01:57:05 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). Same at any well-run establishment, imo. Think you'll find DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)'s rule on this has also changed subtly. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: relaedgc on February 27, 2009, 02:27:45 PM I still tell people to not use their phones at the table.
If the rule has been changed, they ought to try telling the dealers for a change instead of making loads of rule adjustments between themselves and not passing the relevant information down. I'll clarify this when I get into work and find out if they're now allowed. I know that the Vic allows the use of phones, though I am not sure on the validity of it now being a "Grosvenor wide" change. I've been wrong before, however. Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: I KNOW IT on February 27, 2009, 02:46:17 PM I still tell people to not use their phones at the table. If the rule has been changed, they ought to try telling the dealers for a change instead of making loads of rule adjustments between themselves and not passing the relevant information down. I'll clarify this when I get into work and find out if they're now allowed. I know that the Vic allows the use of phones, though I am not sure on the validity of it now being a "Grosvenor wide" change. I've been wrong before, however. Walsall allows phones too Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: outragous76 on February 27, 2009, 03:35:53 PM I would encourage any donk who wanted/needed to use poker stove!
Poker maths are not that difficult! Well - not to make that kind of table decission anyway. FWIW - i dont think it should be allowed but wouldnt care if they did allow it! Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: HOLDorFOLD on February 27, 2009, 05:18:39 PM In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/). Same at any well-run establishment, imo. Keep up - its been changed. Out of curiosity - where would we go to see up-to-date rule lists for each group of casino's?? Are announcements made at casino's when ruling changes have been made? - and if they are surely they are not announced after a week or so, so for a non regular player we'd miss any annoucements. Just wondering whether it's a case of asking the dealer or calling for a ruling if self-dealt, if unsure of anything? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: gatso on February 27, 2009, 06:28:19 PM I still tell people to not use their phones at the table. If the rule has been changed, they ought to try telling the dealers for a change instead of making loads of rule adjustments between themselves and not passing the relevant information down. I'll clarify this when I get into work and find out if they're now allowed. I know that the Vic allows the use of phones, though I am not sure on the validity of it now being a "Grosvenor wide" change. I've been wrong before, however. tbf I'm assuming rather than knowing 100% that it's a grosvenor wide rule change. it's on the posters which are all round walsall's card room detailing this and the new rules on being at your playing position in time for the last card and a new hand starting at the riffle Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: dik9 on February 27, 2009, 11:04:43 PM DTD you can have a phone at the table now, but not use it when you are involved in a hand ............. still prefer no phones at the table. With new technology some new rules should be in force IMO. Ipod touches for example have internet access.
Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: gatso on February 27, 2009, 11:55:23 PM DT (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/)D (http://www.dusktilldawnpoker.com/) you can have a phone at the table now, but not use it when you are involved in a hand ............. still prefer no phones at the table. With new technology some new rules should be in force IMO. Ipod touches for example have internet access. are laptops still allowed at the table at dtd? Title: Re: Wrong or should be allowed Post by: dik9 on February 27, 2009, 11:56:59 PM You can only access DTD's online site via them lol, afaik yes, but not seen anyone for a while doing it.
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