Wrong or should be allowed

[Newmanseye]

I was in a live game tonight when a situation came up, Proper Tag player shoved with 40 big blinds, all fold to table donk who is hitting everything, table donk did his usual Raise UTG with shit as he has been all night ( no it wasn't me ! ).

Now as i remember it,

Donk 130K

Tag 80k

blinds 1 / 2 k

Donk raises to 6k

Tag shoves for whole stack,

Donk then tanks up and gives it the dwell, now we all;know its some sort of garbage, he then pulls out his Pda type phone ands starts tapping away on it, he's going at it for a while and eventually calls and shows 55.

The bad beat for the Tag  is not important but it turns out the Donk was using a poker odds programme on his pda / phone to assist him in making the call!

A few people were miffed but i am unsure, It seems acceptable for someone to use this at home, is live any different?

So poker assistance programmes in a live game  allowed or takes an element of skill from live play?


Edit as i mixed up the hands as he played a lot of shit cards

[bolt pp]

fine imo

what difference does it make?


lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission

lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call


i'd be insisting he used it every hand.

[1eyedjacks]

donk obviously didnt view 66+ as part of villains range. or maybe he liked the PDA informed 20% chance of the suckout  against said range.

may i ask what the 'good' player was doing anyway, commiting al his chips preflop against the running hot donk?

guess its going to have to be put in the rule book when good players start using stove at a table when facing an all-in on the flop

[thetank]

fine imo

what difference does it make?


lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission

lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call


i'd be insisting he used it every hand.

zomg this!

Seriously, it sounds like the guy would have been better off with a magic 8-ball rather than whatever it was that told him to call.

Obviously it shouldn't be allowed, but in this case, the guy is being stupid so give the fish a break. A program, after all, is only as good as the data it recieves.

I'd draw the line at someone who wants to consult chicken entrails before making a desicion. That shit could get messy!

[MC]

fine imo

what difference does it make?


lol 1) he had to use software to make this decission

lol 2) after consulting the software he deduced it was a call


i'd be insisting he used it every hand.

zomg this!

Seriously, it sounds like the guy would have been better off with a magic 8-ball rather than whatever it was that told him to call.

Obviously it shouldn't be allowed, but in this case, the guy is being stupid so give the fish a break. A program, after all, is only as good as the data it recieves.

I'd draw the line at someone who wants to consult chicken entrails before making a desicion. That shit could get messy!

lmao, yeah, generally shouldn't be allowed, but think we can make an exception here.

Just out of results orientated interest, what did the TAG have?

[Cf]

Sounds dodgy but I'm not aware of anything explicitly disallowing this.

Could maybe make an argument under the "one person to a hand" rule?

[ScottMGee]

The Donk's hand is definitely dead - one player per hand or the use of a mobile phone at the table.

As for the TAG committing all of his chips, if he had a strong hand JJ+ why would he not want to against a donk.

[Newmanseye]

The hands really are meaningless it was the use of the electronic device to make a decision tha caused debate and i was looking for more info.

Now The good player had AQ sooted, and tbh they wanted to pick up the pot as is from what she said to me, fair play as i see it, Now the beat was horrible it was uber binkage.

  flop and turn and river come    for a sick beat after a magic flop.

Said donk did run ridic hot, but My thoughts were use of an electronic device in a live game would be a big NONO, but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different?  Valid also


So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge?

[gatso]

I'm sure there'll be rules specifically covering this soon

did it take place in a casino? if so it almost certainly broke their non game specific rules on the use of electronic devices and I could see a lot of places banning players for this

[thetank]

but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different?  

Lots and lots, the two things are apples and oranges.

You can play online and get your wife to mind your comp while you go to the toilet, so should this be allowed live?
How about playing in the nude, or another 100 stupidly ridic things that you can do online but not live.

Nonsense argument imo.

So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge?

lol, no

No credible venue would allow such a thing

[Newmanseye]

but a chap at the table pointed out people use similar items when playing online whats so different?  

Lots and lots, the two things are apples and oranges.

You can play online and get your wife to mind your comp while you go to the toilet, so should this be allowed live?
How about playing in the nude, or another 100 stupidly ridic things that you can do online but not live.

Nonsense argument imo.

So will live poker get to the stage of every git with an Iphone/PDA/ mobilephone etc have the right to utilise its techology to gain an edge?

lol, no

No credible venue would allow such a thing

This Happened at the Mint casino ( stanley ) in Glasgow

[bobAlike]

This shouldn't be allowed IMO. How can anyone be sure that he wasn't txting a mate for help?

[Dingdell]

In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead. Same at DTD.

[gatso]

In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead.

shouldn't do anymore as grosvenor have quite bizarrely just brought in a new rule saying that your hand will now not be ruled dead

[Dingdell]

In Luton using your phone when you have cards results in your hand being dead.

shouldn't do anymore as grosvenor have quite bizarrely just brought in a new rule saying that your hand will now not be ruled dead

Really? That is bizarre. It's great rule for anti collusion and making sure the game doesn't slow down.