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Pretty loose passive live £1/£2 cash game.

I'm sat with AK spades in SB.

4 callers to me and i bump it up to £13, getting called by BB and one other chap.  (Pot £45)

Flop J 6 3 (2 spades)

I lead for £22 and get just the BB calling me (Pot £89)

Turn J 6 3 A

I now bet £44 and the BB again calls (Pot £177)

River J 6 3 A 2 (flush draw missed)


We both have £250+ behind.


Value Bet the river?  How much?

If not what is the plan after checking?

Oh, and feel free to comment on the hand thus far - i got thick skin!  :)

So dependant on your read of the player. Without knowing how he's been playing its impossible to know.

Is he a loose donk over 40 who's likely to pay you off with A10 type hands?

Some players I value bet this spot, others I check call and if he's a gibralter check fold is an option too.

i like £95

He's fairly young actually (i'd say late 20's) but wouldn't put him in the multi tabling internet pro category.  ABC 9-5er playing on a Friday night.

i think ur a donkey. shove and hope he hero's.

Dodgy Ace has to be one of his likely holdings, I think he's more likely to pass to a shove but may call a £80-100 bet...

Open fold.

It's so obvious he's got 4 5 it hurts.

lol.  I had excluded 4 5.

As it turns out i bet £99 and he snapped with AJ.

He seemed surprised at the bet when he saw my hand and said he'd have bet about £60 if i checked.

Obviously easy to think it should be check call once you know his cards but i thought he could still have something like QJ/TJ spades.


Out of interest what would the play be if the river was deuce of spades?

Wow, his flat call here is terrible.

2 of spades I think I treat pretty much the same tbh...

Think you played the hand fine and I would play the hand exact same way tbh, i reckin if a meaningless spade falls on the turn you are taking the guy to value town. Just unfortunate that the guy outdrew with a dominated hand. Suprised the guy didn't jam the river for value. Would have called a shove? Would you have played for stacks on the flop?

I think he would have called a shove but can't be sure as we did have a lot back.  I don't think that is a sensible option though as you don't get called by the hands you beat, and struggle to get the guy off hands you don't.

I was loving the flop (especially as i'd been a bit active pre and CBing alot) and i'd be looking to get it in if he raises.


EDIT: Just realised you meant would i call a shove on the river.  I don't think he's capable of bluffing there so easy (but annoying!) pass.

Jamie assuming you have your usual image you played this good, you can get away with vb'ing nicely here.

Would u have called him if he had re-shoved the river? Shouldn't he be shoving here considering stack sizes?

:)

IMO checking here is not an option, you have to bet as it makes it difficult to bluff you so if he comes OTT you can assume he has you beat. If you check he could put in a huge bet, then you end up paying him off more than you would have.

So in actual fact your value bet is also a stopper bet

i prefer £95 to £99 but meh, other than that you played it great imo. surely its a pass if he jams on the end. no-way a live 1-2 donk finds a bluff here or thinks he's vb'ing with aq (unless its one of those, i dont know, shrug my shoulders, im all in for pittance more kinda raises). with a spade on the end i vb the same again i think.

y didnt the villian reraise on the turn

would u still call if he reraised /jam on the turn.

I would lead for about £30-35 on the flop. your bet is too small imo.

Once the BB calls you, he basically always has something quite good for 2 reasons:

1, You raised oop pre and therefore have a big hand pre alot (big pairs is big part of ur range)
2, He called with a guy to act behind him on the flop

Once the ace comes the hand becomes quite simple to play imo. I would bet the turn for around £80 (into what would be a pot of around £115 if we had bet £35 on the flop as i believe would of been better)

This would make the pot £275 before the river, with us having £200+ back.

The best move now is to shove the river for value, because if we check he is checking everthing we beat back rather than betting it. Whereas, he might hero hands which we beat.

Check/calling is only a sensible stratergy vs someone who is bad and will bluff missed draws. this is not sensible to do here because we have two spades, and so it is unlikely that he has missed spades too.

Bet/folding is often the best river stratergy in a spot like this, but unfortunatly we are not deep enough to do this (if we had bet bigger amounts like i would of on the flop/turn - as it has left us with £200 back and a pot of £275)

That leaves us with either:

1, Shove for value
2, Check/fold

the reason i would shove for value is because it balances ur range for firing 3 barrells and ending it with a river shove. Therefore, ur opponents will ha ve a hard time hero ing u when u r river bluffing in future, and may also pay off ur big big hands with semi strong hands in future pots.

Also, ur future flop and turn bets should carry more fold equity in the future if they know u r capable of making a good/thin value shove on the river.

But the main reason for shoving is because u have the best hand alot of the time

just my opinion