Live £1/£2 NL - Value Bet River?

[Jamier-Host]

Pretty loose passive live £1/£2 cash game.

I'm sat with AK spades in SB.

4 callers to me and i bump it up to £13, getting called by BB and one other chap.  (Pot £45)

Flop J 6 3 (2 spades)

I lead for £22 and get just the BB calling me (Pot £89)

Turn J 6 3 A

I now bet £44 and the BB again calls (Pot £177)

River J 6 3 A 2 (flush draw missed)


We both have £250+ behind.


Value Bet the river?  How much?

If not what is the plan after checking?

Oh, and feel free to comment on the hand thus far - i got thick skin! 

[GreekStein]

So dependant on your read of the player. Without knowing how he's been playing its impossible to know.

Is he a loose donk over 40 who's likely to pay you off with A10 type hands?

Some players I value bet this spot, others I check call and if he's a gibralter check fold is an option too.

[action man]

i like £95

[Jamier-Host]

So dependant on your read of the player. Without knowing how he's been playing its impossible to know.

Is he a loose donk over 40 who's likely to pay you off with A10 type hands?

Some players I value bet this spot, others I check call and if he's a gibralter check fold is an option too.

He's fairly young actually (i'd say late 20's) but wouldn't put him in the multi tabling internet pro category.  ABC 9-5er playing on a Friday night.

[AlexMartin]

i think ur a donkey. shove and hope he hero's.

[MC]

i like £95

Dodgy Ace has to be one of his likely holdings, I think he's more likely to pass to a shove but may call a £80-100 bet...

[EvilPie]

Open fold.

It's so obvious he's got 4 5 it hurts.

[Jamier-Host]

Open fold.

It's so obvious he's got 4 5 it hurts.

lol.  I had excluded 4 5.

As it turns out i bet £99 and he snapped with AJ.

He seemed surprised at the bet when he saw my hand and said he'd have bet about £60 if i checked.

Obviously easy to think it should be check call once you know his cards but i thought he could still have something like QJ/TJ spades.


Out of interest what would the play be if the river was deuce of spades?

[MC]

As it turns out i bet £99 and he snapped with AJ.

Wow, his flat call here is terrible.

2 of spades I think I treat pretty much the same tbh...

[gribbo]

Think you played the hand fine and I would play the hand exact same way tbh, i reckin if a meaningless spade falls on the turn you are taking the guy to value town. Just unfortunate that the guy outdrew with a dominated hand. Suprised the guy didn't jam the river for value. Would have called a shove? Would you have played for stacks on the flop?

[Jamier-Host]

I think he would have called a shove but can't be sure as we did have a lot back.  I don't think that is a sensible option though as you don't get called by the hands you beat, and struggle to get the guy off hands you don't.

I was loving the flop (especially as i'd been a bit active pre and CBing alot) and i'd be looking to get it in if he raises.


EDIT: Just realised you meant would i call a shove on the river.  I don't think he's capable of bluffing there so easy (but annoying!) pass.

[Royal Flush]

Jamie assuming you have your usual image you played this good, you can get away with vb'ing nicely here.

[George2Loose]

Would u have called him if he had re-shoved the river? Shouldn't he be shoving here considering stack sizes?

[Jamier-Host]

Would u have called him if he had re-shoved the river? Shouldn't he be shoving here considering stack sizes?

EDIT: Just realised you meant would i call a shove on the river.  I don't think he's capable of bluffing there so easy (but annoying!) pass.

[Sack it off]

IMO checking here is not an option, you have to bet as it makes it difficult to bluff you so if he comes OTT you can assume he has you beat. If you check he could put in a huge bet, then you end up paying him off more than you would have.

So in actual fact your value bet is also a stopper bet