Title: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 22, 2009, 03:09:11 PM On Friday i picked up an air rifle for my son to practice with in the garden as he is going to air cadets and they do air rifle shooting,so me being me says right practice makes perfect,The wife wasn't too happy with this as i suppose its a girly and guns things.i reassured her that nothing could go wrong and that i would supervise him in the shooting in the garden with targets printed off and stuck to some chipboard and that air rifles were not lethal
how wrong could i be........... only a few miles away from us as well http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7957493.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7957493.stm) Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Jon MW on March 22, 2009, 03:15:35 PM It can happen if you have a powerful enough one, but my guess would be a lack of adult supervision and a bit of messing about was probably involved
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 22, 2009, 03:23:10 PM It can happen if you have a powerful enough one, but my guess would be a lack of adult supervision and a bit of messing about was probably involved The 1 i got was a .22 rifle and like you said they are powerfull enough I know if it hit the head area real damage would be done, I reckon like you said unsupervised use would be to blame My 1 is kept out of arms reach with the pellets kept seperately but will invest in a gun bag with lock on for extra safety I now remember recently as well in Hayes a 2 year old was killed by an air rifle that was left unattended by the owner Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Ironside on March 22, 2009, 04:28:12 PM mate leave the shooting practice to the range and expert supervision, i have seen trained soliders having neglient dischares in which the only reason no one was hurt was down to supervision of the range.
people need to remember that guns are not toys and no matter what type of gun it is (apart from maybe a water pistol) they are dangerous and can lead to also sorts of problems including the police mistaking the holders of the gun for someone more sinister Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: dousche on March 22, 2009, 10:05:18 PM mate leave the shooting practice to the range and expert supervision, i have seen trained soliders having neglient dischares in which the only reason no one was hurt was down to supervision of the range. people need to remember that guns are not toys and no matter what type of gun it is (apart from maybe a water pistol) they are dangerous and can lead to also sorts of problems including the police mistaking the holders of the gun for someone more sinister lol @ licences for water pistols and special waterproof gun cabinets Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 09:53:47 AM and another 1 just 2 minutes from us
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm) Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Royal Flush on March 25, 2009, 11:39:37 AM and another 1 just 2 minutes from us http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm) Isn't that a murder? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 11:45:34 AM i had bb guns, air rifles, shot guns and rifles from about the age of 5, if your child is advised on handling it correctly and safely you will have no problems. You know the saying "guns dont kill people , people do"
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 12:04:41 PM and another 1 just 2 minutes from us http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7961402.stm) Isn't that a murder? was referring to the death not means of, Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Swordpoker on March 25, 2009, 01:50:46 PM Beware of ricochets. My Dad's glasses were hit during target practice. If he didn't wear glasses he would have lost an eye. Also, I have a friend that was hit twice by ricochets during target practice. In one case he had to pull the pellet out on his arm where it had lodged half way in.
Best not to shoot at bouncy things, probably. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 01:52:35 PM Beware of ricochets. My Dad's glasses were hit during target practice. If he didn't wear glasses he would have lost an eye. Also, I have a friend that was hit twice by ricochets during target practice. In one case he had to pull the pellet out on his arm where it had lodged half way in. Best not to shoot at bouncy things, probably. or at point blank range as this must of been Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 01:58:58 PM Yah I know about the richochets, and I get him to wear industrial safety goggle when using it (not quite sure if they are suitable, but will be going to a gun academy to get the rifle checked as i cant seem to hit the target which is fixed to 40mm thick chipboard,must be the gun as it cant be me...
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 02:27:06 PM Have to agree with Ironside here. Let him be taught at the firing range by professionals.
Do you know what you're doing with this rifle? If you do and have been trained then fair enough. If not then you shouldn't be teaching him anything. You wouldn't let a non-driver teach him how to drive in a few years would you? So why let a non-expert teach him to shoot? Once he's proficient and has been taught everything he needs to know at the gun range then he'll probably know that it's best not to be firing the thing in the back garden anyway. Rifles are for killing people and other living things, simple as that. That is their purpose. Rifle ranges are for learning how to use that rifle to best effect. Gardens are for growing plants and grass and other green stuff. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 02:41:42 PM its a air rifle ffs not a m16, teach the kid how to hold always have chamber broken when carrying, never point at anyone and choose where to shoot safely.
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 02:50:01 PM its a air rifle ffs not a m16, teach the kid how to hold always have chamber broken when carrying, never point at anyone and choose where to shoot safely. Even if it's an air rifle it was designed to kill. Fair enough only rats and other little things but that's still it's primary job. Why not just TELL the kid how to hold, not to point at anyone etc.? And as far as where to shoot safely goes. Might I suggest a rifle range? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 03:04:12 PM no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire
no2, as i said I am going to a gun academy to take advice + they cost money and the garden doesnt no 3, There is only ever me and my son in garden together when practising no3, Cars kill but he can cross the road safely and i wouldbnt stop him doing that no4, more people die fron RTA's than gun shot injuries and BTW i am not being flippant with my replies as i would NEVER put my kids life in danger Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Jon MW on March 25, 2009, 03:16:04 PM ... Even if it's an air rifle it was designed to kill. ... Really? Because I strongly suspect that most air rifles are designed to shoot at paper targets. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 03:21:14 PM That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate.
no3 You wouldn't stop him crossing the road. Well to be fair he kind of needs to do that. He doesn't need to shoot an air rifle. no4 More people die from rta's. Of course they do. Millions of people come in to close contact with millions of cars every minute of every day. It's a simple numbers game. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 03:23:37 PM ... Even if it's an air rifle it was designed to kill. ... Really? Because I strongly suspect that most air rifles are designed to shoot at paper targets. They were designed to kill. The fact that they are also produced and often used for shooting at little pieces of paper wasn't my point. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 03:32:17 PM That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate. am actively enjoying both sides m8 and if i am honest the more i think about it I am starting to waver ever so slightly Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 03:44:10 PM That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate. am actively enjoying both sides m8 and if i am honest the more i think about it I am starting to waver ever so slightly Know what you mean. Life would be so boring if everyone just agreed with everyone else. Glad you can see I'm not just being awkward and trying to make you look irresponsible. That's certainly not my intention because I'm sure you are not at all. I'm not an anti-gun campaigner or anything like that either. All the talk of banning guns is ridiculous imo. That just means that people who obey the rules and use them safely can't have them whilst the idiots just keep them anyway. Nice plan government. I know when I was a kid I would've loved a gun and there are lots of members on here who own and shoot guns. They most certainly have their place I just have the opinion that for a novice the place is a supervised shooting range. Once proficient then fields or wherever people go to kill birds are also fine. I just don't like the garden plan. Wouldn't he just be happy with a sand pit or a slide? ;) Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 03:44:31 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE!
What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Rod Paradise on March 25, 2009, 03:52:29 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 03:57:20 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. pmsl next your be saying to clothe him in tank tops!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BTW he is nearly 14 so although technically he is a kid nearly a young man, I posted as i got him the rifle before i knew about that incident perhaps if i knew about the incident before maybe i might not have got him it,+ I actually have enjoyed doing it with him oh Now you have got me all in a tither seeing as i dont see him for another9 days or so i'll be thinking real hard on this issue ;snoopy'sguns; Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 04:00:13 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. The thing is here Rod is WHAT if there was an accident.How then could i live with myself knowing it was me that got him it in the 1st place oh ffs issues issues always issues.right off home now to shoot next doors cat to relieve some tension Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 04:02:48 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. Sigh... Like I said previously this is a simple numbers game. Of course more people die from choking on food. The majority of people on the planet eat food every day. Of course a few are going to die from choking. How many kids have a pushbike? Pretty much all of them. Of course some are going to die using them. Yes I agree that not many die from air rifles. This article tells us of one person dying from an air rifle incident and of course we all know it's an isolated incident but how many actually use air rifles. I'm sure it's a lot but compared to push bike users? And well done for cutting yourself accidentally twice and learning about safe knife usage because of it. Did you not learn from accident no1? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 04:03:18 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. I could not agree more as to "kids in cotton-wool" Rod, & I could tell you some eye-watering stories which prove I agree. And I mean eye-watering, I'd have you weeping. It's actually CRUEL to over-protect kids, because it insulates them from life's bumps & bruises, so when they grow up, life becomes a bit tough. My real point was the juxtaposition of the two subjects, in one thread. Which I thought odd. I actualy don't approve of killing devices - guns, knives, etc, even toy ones, or "killing games" which glorify killing, & no child of mine would ever have one, but that's a much wider & deeper issue altogether, & I'd be staggered if many agreed with my line. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Rod Paradise on March 25, 2009, 04:04:41 PM Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm (http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm)
Note this one: It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road. Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden. Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets. Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 04:06:36 PM Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm (http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm) Note this one: It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road. Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden. Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets. Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust. Yup - IF you teach him properly. As I imagine the father of the kid who died in Hayes thought he had. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 04:08:33 PM Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm (http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm) Note this one: It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road. Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden. Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets. Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust. good post. and you may get some rabbitts out of it for the pot also. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 25, 2009, 04:10:41 PM Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm (http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm) Note this one: It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road. Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden. Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets. Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust. This is all well and good if cia is proficient himself in the use of an air rifle. If he is then it's fine and if an accident occurred, even a small one he would know that he had put as many rules in place as possible to prevent such an accident. If however he isn't fully proficient then he should leave the teaching to the experts at the rifle range when his son attends atc. I know it's fun for father / son to share these sort of activities but maybe the fun could come the other way as his son teaches him correct usage as learnt from his experience at atc. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Rod Paradise on March 25, 2009, 04:16:21 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. Sigh... Like I said previously this is a simple numbers game. Of course more people die from choking on food. The majority of people on the planet eat food every day. Of course a few are going to die from choking. How many kids have a pushbike? Pretty much all of them. Of course some are going to die using them. Yes I agree that not many die from air rifles. This article tells us of one person dying from an air rifle incident and of course we all know it's an isolated incident but how many actually use air rifles. I'm sure it's a lot but compared to push bike users? And well done for cutting yourself accidentally twice and learning about safe knife usage because of it. Did you not learn from accident no1? Did I say I cut myself the same way twice? Got advice on safe usage, learned properly by making my own mistakes. When I got the airgun was given hard & fast rules - because mistakes were too dangerous to risk, never broke them. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Rod Paradise on March 25, 2009, 04:19:14 PM Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm (http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm) Note this one: It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road. Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden. Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets. Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust. This is all well and good if cia is proficient himself in the use of an air rifle. If he is then it's fine and if an accident occurred, even a small one he would know that he had put as many rules in place as possible to prevent such an accident. If however he isn't fully proficient then he should leave the teaching to the experts at the rifle range when his son attends atc. I know it's fun for father / son to share these sort of activities but maybe the fun could come the other way as his son teaches him correct usage as learnt from his experience at atc. You're awfully judgemental on other people's abilities. Airguns aren't that dangerous if the rules are followed & if CIA read and followed them he could get the importance across to his boy. Possibly better than someone a bit blase becasue they use them all the time. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: sofa----king on March 25, 2009, 04:22:11 PM we brought a 22 air rifle out to cyprus in a container,,,used all the pelletes in the first few weeks shooting at bottles etc,,,then found out that 22's are ilegal out here(can't buy pellets) for some silly reason,,,,you can buy a shotgun off the shelf in cyprus with just a driving licence,,,,,
but we had more fun shooting my first fix paslode guns up in the air at the end of the garden 4''nail's fly's over 150metres,,,,silly i know.,.,.,wont be doing it again.,.,but still had fun.,.,.,quiting while ahead ,..,.,,,.guns a very dangerous.,..,not as dangerous as a paslode mind..,.,., archery for the win now just bought niall a bow and arrow set.,..,we throw the aluminium arrows with a boot lace they go forever.,.,,but dont stand under them comming down you could ave an eye out..,., Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Dingdell on March 25, 2009, 05:02:13 PM My Grandfather had an elephant gun from his 'days in the Raj' although I'm sure that really happened - anyway - he allowed the grandchildren to play with it. One day when we were rootling around in the attic (it was an enormous room that ran across the entire house) we found the shells for the elephant gun.
Being kids we thought we would use them in the gun. Luckily my cousin fired the gun and missed everyone, but narrowly as he spun as he fired, but the force pushed him back so hard he went into a large conservatory window, broke the glass and nearly died. Obv in the days before safety glass was a requirement! We were sensible children normally but still did this. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 05:05:46 PM you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: TightEnd on March 25, 2009, 05:07:56 PM you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top Its what she kept the elephant gun for As to the question, my boys are 13 and 12. Not a hope in hell they are being let loose with rifle/airgun/similar unless on a range instructed by professionals Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 05:47:40 PM am still none the better off,
Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance. BUT there is always that chance, like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it OH i DUNNO Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 05:50:54 PM you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top Its what she kept the elephant gun for As to the question, my boys are 13 and 12. Not a hope in hell they are being let loose with rifle/airgun/similar unless on a range instructed by professionals The most predictable reply ever, & thank God for that. I do find it interesting that debates about gun use, the world over, but led by America, are so divisive. Nobody ever wobbles, they (we) are all hard-line one way or the other, & easily get uppity. And we can't see the other side of the argument to, pardon the pun, save our lives. Much like Politics, Religion, & Football, I guess. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 05:53:07 PM am still none the better off, Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance. BUT there is always that chance, like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it OH i DUNNO What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it! Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 05:57:39 PM I am wobbling but just dont know which way i'll topple as of yet.
am still none the better off, Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance. BUT there is always that chance, like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it OH i DUNNO What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it! Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids. It has a bearing on it Tony although not huge it does have a bearing on it,yeah I know he'll get over it but if all precautions are put in place then surely it would be a safe pastime,like i said before people can get crippled playing a lot of different sports but we dont stop them as we dont want to wrap them up in cotton wool. trust me i am not 100% one way or the other atm Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: jakally on March 25, 2009, 06:04:41 PM I hate guns, and I don't allow my kids to have toy guns. IMO Implements designed to kill, with little, or no, positive use. As to more people dying / getting hurt in RTA's, sports etc... than through gunfire.................. I think even the most uneducated person could work out why this isn't a good argument. Don't give them to kids. Don't give them to adults. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Dingdell on March 25, 2009, 06:04:55 PM I am wobbling but just dont know which way i'll topple as of yet. am still none the better off, Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance. BUT there is always that chance, like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it OH i DUNNO What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it! Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids. It has a bearing on it Tony although not huge it does have a bearing on it,yeah I know he'll get over it but if all precautions are put in place then surely it would be a safe pastime,like i said before people can get crippled playing a lot of different sports but we dont stop them as we dont want to wrap them up in cotton wool. trust me i am not 100% one way or the other atm How about a compromise - take him paintballing? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Scottish Dave on March 25, 2009, 06:06:52 PM Waver a lot more. PLEASE! What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude. I've got my kid an air-rife. Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents! Evil has got it spot on. Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something. Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know. Please think again. Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks. I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents. what if one of your two cuts you mentioned where of your wrist/throat/eye etc etc....you might not have been here to tell us about it mate No way should kids be allowed near Guns, Knifes etc etc, can't believe so many people are of the opposite idea, im quite shocked TBH! Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 06:10:31 PM Amen to the Posts by Jakally & Scottish Dave. I'm not a Parent, & never have geen, so I guess my view is not very relevant, but the mere thought of giving kids weapons is something I find totally abhorrent. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Newmanseye on March 25, 2009, 06:11:20 PM I am wobbling but just dont know which way i'll topple as of yet. am still none the better off, Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance. BUT there is always that chance, like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it OH i DUNNO What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it! Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids. It has a bearing on it Tony although not huge it does have a bearing on it,yeah I know he'll get over it but if all precautions are put in place then surely it would be a safe pastime,like i said before people can get crippled playing a lot of different sports but we dont stop them as we dont want to wrap them up in cotton wool. trust me i am not 100% one way or the other atm How about a compromise - take him paintballing? I would never reccomend paintball for kids, as some of the "owned" equipment can be very powerful, Kids just should not have to take a short didtance hit from a long range weapon. Might i suggest Airsoft, airsoft does not have the hurt or the sting or bruises attached to it like Paintball has, its a great way to break kids in to the games and its powerful enough to feel but not so much to damage you in any way like paintball can when accidents happen. local paintball centres will offer airsoft games and the Guns and BB's are quite cheap. BTW i love Paintball, i have all of my own equiptment, nut i would never put my chil;dren in at the deep end as i know how it feels when someone mis-chronos their marker. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:13:29 PM Right before this starts to get dragged into the usual slagging match lets not start calling people irresponsible or uneducated
everyone will have their opinion on whats right or wrong and like i have said b4 i am not 100% 1 way or the other yet. FWIW I got the air rifle for him to practise on so that he would be a better shot when he does it again at ATC not as a toy Yes Trace he enjoys paintballing and i do take him for days out with his friends but this isnt about having a fun time this is for practice for something he will be doing more and more the longer he goes to ATC Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 06:14:54 PM like i say i grew up with them but i was always educated on how to use and to respect them, my brother and I went camping on or own all the time from 12 onwards and that included air riffles, knifes, cooking fires the lot. it's fine if you trust your kids, and with that place the correct guidlines on them using them. Would I trust the youth of today with a gun?? maybe not.
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:15:53 PM Amen to the Posts by Jakally & Scottish Dave. I'm not a Parent, & never have geen, so I guess my view is not very relevant, but the mere thought of giving kids weapons is something I find totally abhorrent. why not? you are just as entitled to have a view without having any kids Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: jakally on March 25, 2009, 06:17:22 PM Right before this starts to get dragged into the usual slagging match lets not start calling people irresponsible or uneducated everyone will have their opinion on whats right or wrong and like i have said b4 i am not 100% 1 way or the other yet. FWIW I got the air rifle for him to practise on so that he would be a better shot when he does it again at ATC not as a toy Yes Trace he enjoys paintballing and i do take him for days out with his friends but this isnt about having a fun time this is for practice for something he will be doing more and more the longer he goes to ATC If that relates to my comment, then apologies - wasn't intended as a personal dig at anyone. However, trying to compare the number of car accidents, with the number of gun accidents, given their relative usages, is a little unfair. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:20:26 PM Right before this starts to get dragged into the usual slagging match lets not start calling people irresponsible or uneducated everyone will have their opinion on whats right or wrong and like i have said b4 i am not 100% 1 way or the other yet. FWIW I got the air rifle for him to practise on so that he would be a better shot when he does it again at ATC not as a toy Yes Trace he enjoys paintballing and i do take him for days out with his friends but this isnt about having a fun time this is for practice for something he will be doing more and more the longer he goes to ATC If that relates to my comment, then apologies - wasn't intended as a personal dig at anyone. However, trying to compare the number of car accidents, with the number of gun accidents, given their relative usages, is a little unfair. Not just directed at you m8 just would like an open debate without the usual slagging if poss Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: jakally on March 25, 2009, 06:21:12 PM BTW CIA, I may not agree with your view, but it's a very interesting debate - good thread. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:28:02 PM It's Dewi's thread not mine...
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 06:28:08 PM Amen to the Posts by Jakally & Scottish Dave. I'm not a Parent, & never have geen, so I guess my view is not very relevant, but the mere thought of giving kids weapons is something I find totally abhorrent. why not? you are just as entitled to have a view without having any kids It's less relevant. because I've never experienced parenting. I know, 100%, I'd NEVER, while I had a hole in my arse, give my kids, or any other kids, guns or offensive weapons. But the "Charlie would be devestated" line is the thing. As a non-Parent, I can just scoff, & say "so what?", but Parents have heartstrings, which get tugged. And those heartstrings, if I may make so bold, affect rational judgement. In the cold light of day, if this were not your kid, & you'd read about that Kid round the corner, in Hayes, who'd been killed by an air-rifle (one wonders how his Dad feels today?), you would say "Give guns to kids? - NO WAY". Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:30:47 PM Amen to the Posts by Jakally & Scottish Dave. I'm not a Parent, & never have geen, so I guess my view is not very relevant, but the mere thought of giving kids weapons is something I find totally abhorrent. why not? you are just as entitled to have a view without having any kids It's less relevant. because I've never experienced parenting. I know, 100%, I'd NEVER, while I had a hole in my arse, give my kids, or any other kids, guns or offensive weapons. But the "Charlie would be devestated" line is the thing. As a non-Parent, I can just scoff, & say "so what?", but Parents have heartstrings, which get tugged. And those heartstrings, if I may make so bold, affect rational judgement. In the cold light of day, if this were not your kid, & you'd read about that Kid round the corner, in Hayes, who'd been killed by an air-rifle (one wonders how his Dad feels today?), you would say "Give guns to kids? - NO WAY". Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:37:02 PM Right in answer to your question Tony which is a bit 1 sided, Giving guns to kids and letting them use them in a controlled enviroment is just not the same thing,but in light of what happened I think i would allow the use of the air rifle in a controlled enviroment,with supervision.
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: RED-DOG on March 25, 2009, 06:38:14 PM I have shed loads of opinions, but this subject is so multi faceted that for every argument there will be an equally compelling counter argument.
I daren't comment, cos I'll be at it all night. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: TightEnd on March 25, 2009, 06:39:51 PM but your garden is NOT a controlled environment, nor are many parents the right people (being untrained) the right people to be doing the controlling
and why are you concerned if you son would be devastated over something this minor? Parenting is about laying down the law on some occasions about some subjects, and explaining why For me, this would be one such occasion Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 06:48:47 PM Right in answer to your question Tony which is a bit 1 sided, Giving guns to kids and letting them use them in a controlled enviroment is just not the same thing,but in light of what happened I think i would allow the use of the air rifle in a controlled enviroment,with supervision. I don't recall asking a question. One-sided? I give up! I Posted, earlier, that debates about guns are always totally divisive, the world over, & so they are. I'm stating one side of the argument, you the other. BOTH our arguments are one-sided - can you not see that? I am NEVER going to see the good in guns for kids, end of story. If that's one-sided, so be it. You think it wise to give your kid an air-rifle, partly because he'd be "devestated" if you say no, which I consider irrelevant. So be it. Let's agree to differ. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:48:59 PM but your garden is NOT a controlled environment, nor are many parents the right people (being untrained) the right people to be doing the controlling and why are you concerned if you son would be devastated over something this minor? Parenting is about laying down the law on some occasions about some subjects, and explaining why For me, this would be one such occasion what is not controlled about it? there is only 1 entrance, Dont get me wrong i am not a lightweight parent who cant say no to my kids beleive me having an autistic kid i say NO quite a bit knowing their would be an almighty kickoff.It wouldnt be the deciding factor in my decision but it would have a part,If i was to stop the use of it Charlie is'nt the type of kid who would kick off he would accept my decision and move on. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:51:19 PM ok i should have said in reply to your post,my apologies,
but i havent given him the air rifle i have allowed him to use it in my presence and fwiw he would be devastated because i took away something he enjoyed ok maybe not devastated but not too impressed Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: TightEnd on March 25, 2009, 06:52:50 PM its uncontrolled because it is not a range, nothing to stop someone rushing out into the line of fire when a parent is looking the other way for example
It would give me kittens to be supervising such activity for my children Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 06:53:24 PM but your garden is NOT a controlled environment, nor are many parents the right people (being untrained) the right people to be doing the controlling and why are you concerned if you son would be devastated over something this minor? Parenting is about laying down the law on some occasions about some subjects, and explaining why For me, this would be one such occasion I think most of us are thinking alike on that. What a kid wants has absolutely nothing to do with the logic of whether it's right or wrong. They are completely, totally, 100%-ly, unrelated matters, & should not be resolved on the basis they are. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 25, 2009, 06:55:40 PM ok i should have said in reply to your post,my apologies, but i havent given him the air rifle i have allowed him to use it in my presenceand fwiw he would be devastated because i took away something he enjoyed ok maybe not devastated but not too impressed Which makes no difference whatsoever. To the "stray kid" that comes blundering into your garden unexpectedly, it makes no odds whose gun it was that shot him. He'd "not be too imprressed" that he can't have it? He's a lad, he'll get over it! Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 06:55:45 PM its uncontrolled because it is not a range, nothing to stop someone rushing out into the line of fire when a parent is looking the other way for example It would give me kittens to be supervising such activity for my children Cant argue that it is not a range but where we stand in the garden there is a trampoline blocking the other side of the garden so absolutely no chance of someone rushing past.hell i didnt even let the other kids in the gardne while we practised Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Newmanseye on March 25, 2009, 07:16:32 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever.
http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: nirvana on March 25, 2009, 07:21:02 PM like i say i grew up with them but i was always educated on how to use and to respect them, my brother and I went camping on or own all the time from 12 onwards and that included air riffles, knifes, cooking fires the lot. it's fine if you trust your kids, and with that place the correct guidlines on them using them. Would I trust the youth of today with a gun?? maybe not. tbh - don't think it's about youth of today versus way back when - 30 years ago when I was a teenager we all used to shoot each other all the time - very dangerous, very stupid but we did it. if peeps have guns I think they eventually want to shoot animate things imo Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 07:25:17 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever. http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other?? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 07:29:18 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable.
I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: sofa----king on March 25, 2009, 07:31:28 PM shoot the lot of them with my nail gun.,.,.,.,.,hehehe..,.,
on a serious note.,.,guns are not just for christmas.,.,they are for hurting.,.,thats what they were made for.,.., ban guns for the world ftw,,,and pea shooters,,,,and anything that hurts,,,especially elastic bands using litte bent peices of metal in the shape of a letter U pinched from the school mesh fence with the wire cutters you smuggled out of metal work class,,,,,,i got expelled for that,,,nearly had my best mates eye out.,.,.,.,its always the eye init.,.,.,.,.,i bet if you had one eye on your elbow and the other situated on your knee,,,i would hit it with a pea shooter or summat.,.,.,ban the eyes for the win.,.,.,.,., Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Newmanseye on March 25, 2009, 07:33:33 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever. http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other?? Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8, Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: nirvana on March 25, 2009, 07:34:13 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable. I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 07:36:52 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever. http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other?? Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8, Dont hurt you jest?? i fixed my brothers Bb gun that he uses when he goes fishing they fooking do hurt,I know he shot me in the arse as i was going up in his loft!!!!! Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 25, 2009, 07:37:49 PM why get anybody interested in anything? everything can kill. Do you stop them for having a bike they could fall off, do you not have a dog because it could flip out and maul them.
as I said earlier guns dont kill people , people do. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 07:40:49 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable. I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur, this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 07:41:38 PM I have shed loads of opinions, but this subject is so multi faceted that for every argument there will be an equally compelling counter argument. I daren't comment, cos I'll be at it all night. pls do comment Red Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: sofa----king on March 25, 2009, 07:49:49 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable. I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur, this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,.., Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: The_nun on March 25, 2009, 07:51:56 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable. I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur, this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,.., Lol,,,,,,, Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: sofa----king on March 25, 2009, 07:55:06 PM when you come to cyprus i will show you how far the paslode nail gun goes.,.,,air rifle will look like a spud gun compared to this..,
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 08:12:15 PM i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable. I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved. You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur, this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,.., only get him every other weekend wooohooo i go all the way to cyprus to see some work tools wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Newmanseye on March 25, 2009, 08:40:14 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever. http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other?? Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8, Dont hurt you jest?? i fixed my brothers Bb gun that he uses when he goes fishing they fooking do hurt,I know he shot me in the arse as i was going up in his loft!!!!! thats a close shot, the kids will be shooting from a fair distance apart i would imagine, it takes a lot of the sting out when its shot over a distance, lets be fair its no where near as sore as a paint ball. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 25, 2009, 08:48:14 PM invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever. http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm# all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other?? Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8, Dont hurt you jest?? i fixed my brothers Bb gun that he uses when he goes fishing they fooking do hurt,I know he shot me in the arse as i was going up in his loft!!!!! thats a close shot, the kids will be shooting from a fair distance apart i would imagine, it takes a lot of the sting out when its shot over a distance, lets be fair its no where near as sore as a paint ball. true but i still wouldnt give them to kids to play with Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Div on March 25, 2009, 10:22:41 PM Not entirely on topic, but these airgun pics are amazing...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/5049293/High-speed-photographs-by-Alan-Sailer-capture-the-moment-a-pellet-fired-from-an-air-rifle-hits-an-object.html Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 27, 2009, 10:45:53 AM (http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/cia260895/garden.jpg)
fwiw we stand between the trampoline and the shrubs with the pellets sat on the trampoline, the target is at the rear of the garden on the chipboard between the 2 sheds so as you can see there is no chance of any of the other kids getting past us. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: phatomch on March 27, 2009, 10:50:09 AM pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think.
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: EvilPie on March 27, 2009, 03:59:02 PM pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think. Or at 15 degrees straight through one of those windows! You don't get that at a rifle range. As long as cia is supervising then I guess the young lad's not going to aim at anything other than the correct target. Can he be sure that the lad's never going to have the rifle on his own or with his mates? I hope so if he allows its continued use. I can remember as a kid firing marbles with my catapult towards the houses about 200 metres away. They had loads of glass rooflights so there was always a chance of a hit. I was a very responsible young lad but the temptation of firing those marbles was just too much. Just a random shot in to the air then wait and listen to see if anyhing broke. (It never did) Unfortunately this is the problem with young lads. No matter how responsible they are they will always get in to mischief. It's when that harmless and innocent mischief goes wrong that the problems or tragedies occur. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 27, 2009, 04:46:12 PM pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think. Or at 15 degrees straight through one of those windows! You don't get that at a rifle range. As long as cia is supervising then I guess the young lad's not going to aim at anything other than the correct target. Can he be sure that the lad's never going to have the rifle on his own or with his mates? I hope so if he allows its continued use. I can remember as a kid firing marbles with my catapult towards the houses about 200 metres away. They had loads of glass rooflights so there was always a chance of a hit. I was a very responsible young lad but the temptation of firing those marbles was just too much. Just a random shot in to the air then wait and listen to see if anyhing broke. (It never did) Unfortunately this is the problem with young lads. No matter how responsible they are they will always get in to mischief. It's when that harmless and innocent mischief goes wrong that the problems or tragedies occur. seeing as he is only over here every other weekend he doesn't have any friends over this way,so not really an issue. If he was a mischief type of kid then maybe, but he just doesn't have that side in him,he is the type of kid who always wears his crash hat when cycling as daft as it does look and if you said lights out at 11pm they would go out at exactly 11pm,probably more to being borderline aspergers and taking things literrally, agreed accidents can happen,it is a case of weighing up the chances and at the mo i am siding towards nothing untoward happening as i will always be in attendance,but i am still wavering on this.. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Ironside on March 27, 2009, 06:49:44 PM no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire wrong the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon? Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 27, 2009, 07:24:02 PM no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire wrong the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon? Why is that iron? No Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: Ironside on March 27, 2009, 07:49:38 PM before you hand anyone a weapon you always make sure it is unloaded and clear it showing them the empty barrell before handing it over,
when you are handing a weapon to another person it is not in a stable postion point down the range and therefore you are in danger of hitting someone if you were to ND i joined as a junior leader which meant basic for a year we didnt fire a weopon once in the first term (4 months) instead we learnt how to handle the weapon, load the weapon, unload the weapon , strip the weapon , all of this we could do with a blindfold on before we went anywhere near a range Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 27, 2009, 07:56:43 PM before you hand anyone a weapon you always make sure it is unloaded and clear it showing them the empty barrell before handing it over, when you are handing a weapon to another person it is not in a stable postion point down the range and therefore you are in danger of hitting someone if you were to ND i joined as a junior leader which meant basic for a year we didnt fire a weopon once in the first term (4 months) instead we learnt how to handle the weapon, load the weapon, unload the weapon , strip the weapon , all of this we could do with a blindfold on before we went anywhere near a range Thanks for that Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: tikay on March 27, 2009, 07:56:56 PM no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire wrong the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon? Unbelievable. I rest my case. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 27, 2009, 08:57:22 PM no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire wrong the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon? Unbelievable. I rest my case. The jury is retiring...... Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: boldie on March 28, 2009, 11:56:23 AM I'm not against teaching a 14YO how to handle a gun responsibly but whilst you don't know the basics about handling guns you really aren't in a position to supervise your son, mate. You just don't have the knowledge required to do so.
Unless you send him to someone that can teach him these things I would do a lot more reading up and practising yourself before I'd let him near a loaded weapon of any sort. You should be a lot more familiar with these things when supervising someone else. It's like giving someone a car and letting them drive it when you yourself have no real experience driving one. The fact that's it's a small car doesn't make any difference, you just wouldn't do it. Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: action man on March 28, 2009, 12:32:53 PM [ ] guns are cool
Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: cia260895 on March 28, 2009, 02:32:44 PM It's like giving someone a car and letting them drive it when you yourself have no real experience driving one. The fact that's it's a small car doesn't make any difference, you just wouldn't do it. Wow this is exactly how I have been thinking about it.. yr starting to spook me if only you as were spooky with the gee gees ;) Title: Re: WOAH far too close to home Post by: boldie on March 28, 2009, 02:34:09 PM It's like giving someone a car and letting them drive it when you yourself have no real experience driving one. The fact that's it's a small car doesn't make any difference, you just wouldn't do it. Wow this is exactly how I have been thinking about it.. Simple minds think alike? |