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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2009, 03:04:12 PM »

no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire

no2, as i said I am going to a gun academy to take advice + they cost money and the garden doesnt

no 3, There is only ever me and my son in garden together when practising

no3, Cars kill but he can cross the road safely and i wouldbnt stop him doing that

no4, more people die fron RTA's than gun shot injuries

and BTW i am not being flippant with my replies as i would NEVER put my kids life in danger
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2009, 03:16:04 PM »

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Even if it's an air rifle it was designed to kill. ...

Really?

Because I strongly suspect that most air rifles are designed to shoot at paper targets.
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« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009, 03:21:14 PM »

That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate.

no3 You wouldn't stop him crossing the road. Well to be fair he kind of needs to do that. He doesn't need to shoot an air rifle.

no4 More people die from rta's. Of course they do. Millions of people come in to close contact with millions of cars every minute of every day. It's a simple numbers game.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009, 03:23:37 PM »

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Even if it's an air rifle it was designed to kill. ...

Really?

Because I strongly suspect that most air rifles are designed to shoot at paper targets.

They were designed to kill. The fact that they are also produced and often used for shooting at little pieces of paper wasn't my point.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2009, 03:32:17 PM »

That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate.

am actively enjoying both sides m8

and if i am honest the more i think about it I am starting to waver ever so slightly

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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2009, 03:44:10 PM »

That's fair enough mate but when you post the thread with this particular link of a tragic accident and then say that you're doing exactly the same thing you've got to expect a bit of a debate.

am actively enjoying both sides m8

and if i am honest the more i think about it I am starting to waver ever so slightly



Know what you mean.

Life would be so boring if everyone just agreed with everyone else.

Glad you can see I'm not just being awkward and trying to make you look irresponsible. That's certainly not my intention because I'm sure you are not at all.

I'm not an anti-gun campaigner or anything like that either. All the talk of banning guns is ridiculous imo. That just means that people who obey the rules and use them safely can't have them whilst the idiots just keep them anyway. Nice plan government.

I know when I was a kid I would've loved a gun and there are lots of members on here who own and shoot guns. They most certainly have their place I just have the opinion that for a novice the place is a supervised shooting range.

Once proficient then fields or wherever people go to kill birds are also fine.

I just don't like the garden plan.

Wouldn't he just be happy with a sand pit or a slide?  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2009, 03:44:31 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2009, 03:52:29 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2009, 03:57:20 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

pmsl next your be saying to clothe him in tank tops!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

BTW he is nearly 14 so although technically he is a kid nearly a young man,

I posted as i got him the rifle before i knew about that incident perhaps if i knew about the incident before maybe i might not have got him it,+ I actually have enjoyed doing it with him

oh Now you have got me all in a tither seeing as i dont see him for another9 days or so i'll be thinking real hard on this issue

 
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2009, 04:00:13 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.

The thing is here Rod is WHAT if there was an accident.How then could i live with myself knowing it was me that got him it in the 1st place

oh ffs issues issues always issues.right off home now to shoot next doors cat to relieve some tension
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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2009, 04:02:48 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.

Sigh...

Like I said previously this is a simple numbers game. Of course more people die from choking on food.

The majority of people on the planet eat food every day. Of course a few are going to die from choking.

How many kids have a pushbike? Pretty much all of them. Of course some are going to die using them.

Yes I agree that not many die from air rifles.

This article tells us of one person dying from an air rifle incident and of course we all know it's an isolated incident but how many actually use air rifles. I'm sure it's a lot but compared to push bike users?

And well done for cutting yourself accidentally twice and learning about safe knife usage because of it.

Did you not learn from accident no1?
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2009, 04:03:18 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.

I could not agree more as to "kids in cotton-wool" Rod, & I could tell you some eye-watering stories which prove I agree. And I mean eye-watering, I'd have you weeping. It's actually CRUEL to over-protect kids, because it insulates them from life's bumps & bruises, so when they grow up, life becomes a bit tough.

My real point was the juxtaposition of the two subjects, in one thread. Which I thought odd.

I actualy don't approve of killing devices - guns, knives, etc, even toy ones, or "killing games" which glorify killing, & no child of mine would ever have one, but that's a much wider & deeper issue altogether, & I'd be staggered if many agreed with my line.
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2009, 04:04:41 PM »

Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

Note this one:

It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road.

Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden.

Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets.

Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust.
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2009, 04:06:36 PM »

Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

Note this one:

It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road.

Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden.

Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets.

Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust.


Yup - IF you teach him properly. As I imagine the father of the kid who died in Hayes thought he had.
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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2009, 04:08:33 PM »

Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

Note this one:

It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road.

Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden.

Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets.

Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust.


good post.

and you may get some rabbitts out of it for the pot also.
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