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would anybody play it differantly cant put him on k2 so obviously i have to raise the pot?PokerStars Game #26327826337: Tournament #149733015, $20+$2 Omaha Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/03/24 21:14:34 ET
Table '149733015 6' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK (20880 in chips)
Seat 2: ihookfish (8380 in chips)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good (4050 in chips)
Seat 4: SandmanJD (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (8200 in chips)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (18100 in chips)
Seat 7: sweghozt (5225 in chips)
Seat 8: Nano_Pair (33805 in chips)
Seat 9: argento 66 (6795 in chips)
donkslayer2: posts small blind 100
sweghozt: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Big"J"FromMK [As Ah 7c Ks]
Nano_Pair: calls 200
argento 66: folds
Big"J"FromMK: raises 700 to 900
ihookfish: folds
Jonny B Good: folds
SandmanJD: folds
jedi1066: folds
donkslayer2: calls 800
sweghozt: folds
Nano_Pair: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2d Kc]
donkslayer2: checks
Nano_Pair: bets 200
Big"J"FromMK: raises 3300 to 3500
donkslayer2: folds
Nano_Pair: raises 3300 to 6800
Big"J"FromMK: raises 13180 to 19980 and is all-in
Nano_Pair: calls 13180
*** TURN *** [Kh 2d Kc] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 2d Kc 6d] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nano_Pair: shows [7d Qs Td Kd] (a flush, King high)
Big"J"FromMK: shows [As Ah 7c Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
Nano_Pair collected 42860 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 42860 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 2d Kc 6d 5d]
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK showed [As Ah 7c Ks] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: ihookfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SandmanJD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sweghozt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Nano_Pair showed [7d Qs Td Kd] and won (42860) with a flush, King high
Seat 9: argento 66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I suggest putting 50p in the tin mate.


nothing you can do.

p.s. when he weakly bets out 200, what was your thinking making it 3300?

Tbh it's not that sick. Given the action I'm surprised that you were ahead on the flop.

It's a lot of chips to commit when you know your oppo has at least got the other king and could possibly have 22 or K2.

Like Boldie says why the huge raise?

Your hand isn't strong enough to play a huge pot. Now that you've hit your set you are effectively only playing with 2 cards as your AA is virtually dead.

Your oppo has plenty of outs to make a house and you know he has the other King right? If he has 3 options to hit his kicker then he's only a 60 40 dog to your AA7.

His chances of hitting his kicker are much higher than yours so use your position advantage and keep the pot small.

pretty sick given preflop and how many hands do ppl call with pre containing K2 or 22, assuming not a drooler. sick thing is if he does have 22 you arent even 35% as you would be normally coz ur AA is working against you hard, dont have an omastove but assume ur equity drops to like 18-22% with so few redraws.

How is this sick, it's Omaha ffs

standardimo

Pre why are you raising the pot?

Post why are you raising the pot?

Use twodimes.net instead mate. Covers all the games.

he never ever has k2 here why would he be callin a raise with a hand that would hae k2 in it.......players on stars are very bad a omaha this is the reason for my raise as i know 100% i am a ahead and thats all that matters when the money goes in right???????    its sick cos he makes a backdoor flush obv!!!


oh and flushy my raise pre flop is the right play all the time isnt it witha nut flush draw and aces..............and post flop i think im winin so ill raise if i think illl get him to put his stack in with a hand that is behind......if already had a house obviously i would just trap him.....

I know I'm not Flushy but the raise pre isn't always correct as it can often turn your hand face up.

If you often raise the pot with other offerings then it is fine but if you only do it with KKxx or AAxx you are leaving yourself very vulnerable to anyone who can play a flop.

Pot raise on the flop is fine with a hand that is likely to still be winning at the end. Your hand here is very vulnerable to being overtaken so it's best (imo) to keep the pot small.

You only have 5 cards to improve your hand to a full house whilst your opponent is likely to have 9. With 9 outs he is about 40% to win the pot. Ok you're ahead but you're by no means at a huge advantage.

When you hit a set at omaha you ideally want it to be where you have a pair in your hand and the other card hits the board. That's a much stronger and less vulnerable hand.

i respect ur opinoin matt and i play omaha alot so i know the ins and outs very well....ive also played against u at dtd in the dealers game u might remember i wear a green pokerstars hat!!!!!  and yes i do raise a lot with alot of hands in this comp as its a deepstack and u never really have a shortstack unless u r a terrible player....i raised because anybody with a stack willl limp and try to hit makin it 900 means a few will pass and u wont play a multiway pot imo

You must say hello next time I'm at your table.

I know we've played DC at Luton as well but I still can't put the face to the name.

I agree that you don't want a multiway pot here. The raise is always good particulary if as you say you like to raise often anyway.

I sometimes like go the other way as well to be honest. Limping a lot of pots even with aces. The trapping possibilites are fantastic if you hit when someone else hits a set as well. They never put you on AA so it's always pay day.

yeh if u look at the hand of the day thread u can see a nice hand where i make quads aces lol......yeh willl say high next time mate...i would limp if we werent playin a deepstack as ppl wouldnt have as many chips to stack off to u when u hit so id wanna get max value from my hand

My question is why do you raise pot? Just make it 600 as you should do deep with shit loads of hands, your hand looks like AAxx pre, i am calling pretty damn wide here and party of my range is K2xx

Again raising the flop is fine but why the hell do you raise pot?!?!

i would say


1) your raise pre flob was to high

2) why the hell do you make it 3500 when he only bets 200???

3) then when he re raise  you have to think about K2 and pocket 22 both hands he could have

4) but why the hell did you put your whole stack in????

it doesnt give away my hand tbh cos i raise alot of pots i dont use any poker software but anybody who does and plays against me would know this.... i raised the pot on the flop because i like to put ppl to a test when i know they are playin this tourny tight because it is above there usuall stake they will not want to call if they dont have a good king....once he re raises me i now have to shove as the pot is big enough for me to win this comp from wining the pot tbh

he never ever ever ever has k2 in this spot or 22..............my read was perfect for him to not have any of theese hands and i put my whole stack in cos if i win the pot i win the tourny

im sorry i have never played with you but once he bets 200 on the flob and then re raises  you what did you think he had???

he could of easy of had 22xx

Maybe want to ask  how Nano got himself a 33k stack by level 6 of a $22 Omaha MTT on stars.

Hes either Very good at stacking donks who overplay AA or occasionally overcalls with hands containing K2 or 22

hahahahhaahah he was just a super fishhhhhhhh thats all it wasnt through good pla and im not over playin aa her u fool im playin trip Ks with a ace kicker which i know was winning

Err......

Well...it is really uncommon to find people with 1 dirt card in Omaha...In fact I've never even seen it.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol.........nobody can see i made the right play and got unlucky thats all im tryin to say here guys

so it's a standard bad beat story?

Well, that's a few minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Seriously..what did you think he had that made you pot the flop after he leads out for 200?

when he bets 200 i raise cos i have a king............then when he back raises me i know hes got a king aswell but dont think it is k2 or 22 so i shove...and obviously i was right and got unlucky.......so there we go thats 30 seconds of my life i will never get back haha

So you posted a hand you don't think needs analysis on because you 'made the right play' on the Poker Hand Analysis board? What needs analysing if you played it right?

Please put your 50p in the jar and pay a fine tbc by the blondepoker admin team!


Seriously though, I really don't think you played the hand remotely well.

1)I'm much more with the Flushy/Evilpie train of thought of raising much less pre or limping in a tournament playing 100 bigs with aces, particularly bad aces which is what you have. I think stack sizes means your opponents can exploit this raise quite profitably too post flop and you arent likely to make money when you flop massive. Out of curiosity raising often pre do you always hit 'pot'?

2)When he weak leads and you raise pot to which he min raises you I think alarm bells should be ringing and you can make a happy case for passing. If he has K2 or 22 you have so few outs in what will be a 200bb pot. Your hand is ahead at the moment but second guessing that he had a hand like his which still plays very well against your hand which has so few certain outs is bad on your part imo. His action looks really strong too.

3) 'he never ever has k2 here why would he be callin a raise with a hand that would hae k2 in it.......players on stars are very bad a omaha'

lol at this! bad players are surely more likely to be playing a hand with K2 in it?

But when he makes it 200 why do you make it 3200????  why not just 800???

you said you thought he had the king....... so that still gives him 12 cards to hit his full house so why risk your whole stack on that

you did play the hand wrong and you could off walked away will just losing a few 1000's rather then all your stack

Deserves more love.

who cares now anyway i was right to do wot i done 99% off the time so...no point in posting here anymore

not if you don't listen to anyone.

everyone is saying you played it wrong, might be worth having a rethink about what you did here IMO.

+1

Except this one guy who plays it exactly the same

So sick that a blatant bad beat thread actually gets proper responses from people who are good at omaha yet you choose to ignore it,wierd

Hi Jason

I understand what your saying about our raise preflop, for you it doesnt mean you have AAxx or KKxx just because your raising the pot preflop. What people are saying though is no hand is too far in front preflop in omaha so a raise that isnt a full pot raise is fine at this stage of the comp.

Ok here is the key part to what people are trying to tell you. If you believe he has hit the flop and not just making a move which with the betting is highly unlikely there are 3 senserios

1/ his hand is either K2xx or xx22 and he has you beat

2/ his hand is AKxx and he is a favourite to win the pot  56/44%  villian

3/ his hand is Kxxx and you are a 60/40 % hero

So what people are trying to tell you is that no matter what he has at best you are only a 60% fav so there is no need to commit your whole stack as there will be plently better spots at a later time.

You say you know he doesnt have K2xx or xx22 fine so that means your either a marginal fav or a marginal dog.

The fact that he hit a backdoor flush is irrelevent if he had hit a kicker would you of posted this. Also by get in it allin on the flop you have stopped yourself from being able to get away when the flush comes or out playing him and making him laydown his flush on the river

good post

and in average stars game u can't discount hands so easily.  Why wouldn't he have called with QQ22, AKJ2

To me, it's got nothing to do with the "right play". And yes, you got unlucky. Luck plays a huge part in Omaha.

It's bog-standard stuff. It's Omaha, & it happens all day & all night. Shrug your shoulders & move on, because if losing this hand troubles you so, you have a heap of mental aggro in store for you every time you play Omaha.

nothing you can do about getting beat here, that is...obv you can play it differently....(as I think I said in my reply :) )

Great thread.

Still gl keep hitting the monkey pot button.

isn't that why they call it pot - limit?
In Fixed limit, you have to bet whatever amount they tell you, surely pot limit means you have to pot it every time?