how sick is this

[$muszlesz$]

would anybody play it differantly cant put him on k2 so obviously i have to raise the pot?PokerStars Game #26327826337: Tournament #149733015, $20+$2 Omaha Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/03/24 21:14:34 ET
Table '149733015 6' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK (20880 in chips)
Seat 2: ihookfish (8380 in chips)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good (4050 in chips)
Seat 4: SandmanJD (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (8200 in chips)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (18100 in chips)
Seat 7: sweghozt (5225 in chips)
Seat 8: Nano_Pair (33805 in chips)
Seat 9: argento 66 (6795 in chips)
donkslayer2: posts small blind 100
sweghozt: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Big"J"FromMK [As Ah ]
Nano_Pair: calls 200
argento 66: folds
Big"J"FromMK: raises 700 to 900
ihookfish: folds
Jonny B Good: folds
SandmanJD: folds
jedi1066: folds
donkslayer2: calls 800
sweghozt: folds
Nano_Pair: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [ ]
donkslayer2: checks
Nano_Pair: bets 200
Big"J"FromMK: raises 3300 to 3500
donkslayer2: folds
Nano_Pair: raises 3300 to 6800
Big"J"FromMK: raises 13180 to 19980 and is all-in
Nano_Pair: calls 13180
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nano_Pair: shows [ ] (a flush, King high)
Big"J"FromMK: shows [As Ah ] (three of a kind, Kings)
Nano_Pair collected 42860 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 42860 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK showed [As Ah ] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: ihookfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SandmanJD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sweghozt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Nano_Pair showed [ ] and won (42860) with a flush, King high
Seat 9: argento 66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[boldie]

I suggest putting 50p in the tin mate.


nothing you can do.

p.s. when he weakly bets out 200, what was your thinking making it 3300?

[EvilPie]

Tbh it's not that sick. Given the action I'm surprised that you were ahead on the flop.

It's a lot of chips to commit when you know your oppo has at least got the other king and could possibly have 22 or K2.

Like Boldie says why the huge raise?

Your hand isn't strong enough to play a huge pot. Now that you've hit your set you are effectively only playing with 2 cards as your AA is virtually dead.

Your oppo has plenty of outs to make a house and you know he has the other King right? If he has 3 options to hit his kicker then he's only a 60 40 dog to your AA7.

His chances of hitting his kicker are much higher than yours so use your position advantage and keep the pot small.

[AlexMartin]

pretty sick given preflop and how many hands do ppl call with pre containing K2 or 22, assuming not a drooler. sick thing is if he does have 22 you arent even 35% as you would be normally coz ur AA is working against you hard, dont have an omastove but assume ur equity drops to like 18-22% with so few redraws.

[thetank]

How is this sick, it's Omaha ffs

[paulhouk03]

standardimo

[Royal Flush]

Pre why are you raising the pot?

Post why are you raising the pot?

[EvilPie]

pretty sick given preflop and how many hands do ppl call with pre containing K2 or 22, assuming not a drooler. sick thing is if he does have 22 you arent even 35% as you would be normally coz ur AA is working against you hard, dont have an omastove but assume ur equity drops to like 18-22% with so few redraws.

Use twodimes.net instead mate. Covers all the games.

[$muszlesz$]

he never ever has k2 here why would he be callin a raise with a hand that would hae k2 in it.......players on stars are very bad a omaha this is the reason for my raise as i know 100% i am a ahead and thats all that matters when the money goes in right?    its sick cos he makes a backdoor flush obv!!!


oh and flushy my raise pre flop is the right play all the time isnt it witha nut flush draw and aces..............and post flop i think im winin so ill raise if i think illl get him to put his stack in with a hand that is behind......if already had a house obviously i would just trap him.....

[EvilPie]

he never ever has k2 here why would he be callin a raise with a hand that would hae k2 in it.......players on stars are very bad a omaha this is the reason for my raise as i know 100% i am a ahead and thats all that matters when the money goes in right?    its sick cos he makes a backdoor flush obv!!!


oh and flushy my raise pre flop is the right play all the time isnt it witha nut flush draw and aces..............and post flop i think im winin so ill raise if i think illl get him to put his stack in with a hand that is behind......if already had a house obviously i would just trap him.....

I know I'm not Flushy but the raise pre isn't always correct as it can often turn your hand face up.

If you often raise the pot with other offerings then it is fine but if you only do it with KKxx or AAxx you are leaving yourself very vulnerable to anyone who can play a flop.

Pot raise on the flop is fine with a hand that is likely to still be winning at the end. Your hand here is very vulnerable to being overtaken so it's best (imo) to keep the pot small.

You only have 5 cards to improve your hand to a full house whilst your opponent is likely to have 9. With 9 outs he is about 40% to win the pot. Ok you're ahead but you're by no means at a huge advantage.

When you hit a set at omaha you ideally want it to be where you have a pair in your hand and the other card hits the board. That's a much stronger and less vulnerable hand.

[$muszlesz$]

i respect ur opinoin matt and i play omaha alot so i know the ins and outs very well....ive also played against u at dtd in the dealers game u might remember i wear a green pokerstars hat!!!!!  and yes i do raise a lot with alot of hands in this comp as its a deepstack and u never really have a shortstack unless u r a terrible player....i raised because anybody with a stack willl limp and try to hit makin it 900 means a few will pass and u wont play a multiway pot imo

[EvilPie]

You must say hello next time I'm at your table.

I know we've played DC at Luton as well but I still can't put the face to the name.

I agree that you don't want a multiway pot here. The raise is always good particulary if as you say you like to raise often anyway.

I sometimes like go the other way as well to be honest. Limping a lot of pots even with aces. The trapping possibilites are fantastic if you hit when someone else hits a set as well. They never put you on AA so it's always pay day.

[$muszlesz$]

yeh if u look at the hand of the day thread u can see a nice hand where i make quads aces lol......yeh willl say high next time mate...i would limp if we werent playin a deepstack as ppl wouldnt have as many chips to stack off to u when u hit so id wanna get max value from my hand

[Royal Flush]

My question is why do you raise pot? Just make it 600 as you should do deep with shit loads of hands, your hand looks like AAxx pre, i am calling pretty damn wide here and party of my range is K2xx

Again raising the flop is fine but why the hell do you raise pot?!?!

[LeedsRhodesy]

would anybody play it differantly cant put him on k2 so obviously i have to raise the pot?PokerStars Game #26327826337: Tournament #149733015, $20+$2 Omaha Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/03/24 21:14:34 ET
Table '149733015 6' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK (20880 in chips)
Seat 2: ihookfish (8380 in chips)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good (4050 in chips)
Seat 4: SandmanJD (12740 in chips)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (8200 in chips)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (18100 in chips)
Seat 7: sweghozt (5225 in chips)
Seat 8: Nano_Pair (33805 in chips)
Seat 9: argento 66 (6795 in chips)
donkslayer2: posts small blind 100
sweghozt: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Big"J"FromMK [As Ah ]
Nano_Pair: calls 200
argento 66: folds
Big"J"FromMK: raises 700 to 900
ihookfish: folds
Jonny B Good: folds
SandmanJD: folds
jedi1066: folds
donkslayer2: calls 800
sweghozt: folds
Nano_Pair: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [ ]
donkslayer2: checks
Nano_Pair: bets 200
Big"J"FromMK: raises 3300 to 3500
donkslayer2: folds
Nano_Pair: raises 3300 to 6800
Big"J"FromMK: raises 13180 to 19980 and is all-in
Nano_Pair: calls 13180
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nano_Pair: shows [ ] (a flush, King high)
Big"J"FromMK: shows [As Ah ] (three of a kind, Kings)
Nano_Pair collected 42860 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 42860 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Big"J"FromMK showed [As Ah ] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: ihookfish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Jonny B Good folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SandmanJD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jedi1066 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: donkslayer2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: sweghozt (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Nano_Pair showed [ ] and won (42860) with a flush, King high
Seat 9: argento 66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

i would say


1) your raise pre flob was to high

2) why the hell do you make it 3500 when he only bets 200???

3) then when he re raise  you have to think about K2 and pocket 22 both hands he could have

4) but why the hell did you put your whole stack in?