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Title: Raise or Call? Post by: Cf on April 28, 2009, 04:50:49 PM £20 SnG at the casino. Blinds are 25/50.
Player A raises to 100. Player B raises to 150. Player C throws in 2x100 chips - raise or call? Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 28, 2009, 04:56:34 PM this is a raise...
if a player gets 2 10k chipc and puts them in thats a raise.....so putting in 2 100 chips is the same as the minimum raise has to be 50 more as the open has gone from 25/50 to 100 then to 150....player c has put in 200 chips meaning it is a raise. people will say differently but if a player puts in 2 5k chips it is a raise so why would it differentiate? Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: outragous76 on April 28, 2009, 05:02:15 PM this is a raise... if a player gets 2 10k chipc and puts them in thats a raise.....so putting in 2 100 chips is the same as the minimum raise has to be 50 more as the open has gone from 25/50 to 100 then to 150....player c has put in 200 chips meaning it is a raise. people will say differently but if a player puts in 2 5k chips it is a raise so why would it differentiate? min min 4 bets in a SNG - hmmmmmmm anyway - assuming that the 1st raise is correct (ie it doesnt need to be double last bet raises), then this is a raise! lol anyway Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Chompy on April 28, 2009, 05:13:42 PM Player A should learn how to bet properly
Player B should learn how to bet properly Player C should state his intent imo Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Girgy85 on April 28, 2009, 05:27:45 PM Player A should learn how to bet properly Player B should learn how to bet properly Player C should state his intent imo AGREED! The whole betting in this hand is GAY!! Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 28, 2009, 05:32:48 PM Player A should learn how to bet properly Player B should learn how to bet properly Player C should state his intent imo AGREED! The whole betting in this hand is GAY!! Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: LeedsRhodesy on April 28, 2009, 05:33:45 PM Player A should learn how to bet properly Player B should learn how to bet properly Player C should state his intent imo AGREED! The whole betting in this hand is GAY!! its a raise easy and i bet it was only gay girgys cos you were in the hand lol Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Cf on April 28, 2009, 05:35:24 PM Yeah, the betting was a bit stupid, but we were just having a bit of a laugh. It was me who made it 200, and I was blind lol.
Or at least it was a bit of a laugh until someone started trying to insist that my raise was in fact for some reason a call... Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: LeedsRhodesy on April 28, 2009, 05:39:03 PM Quote Or at least it was a bit of a laugh until someone started trying to insist that my raise was in fact for some reason a call... [/quote]now i wounder who that was??????? Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Girgy85 on April 28, 2009, 05:44:13 PM [ ] Was Me.
Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Cf on April 29, 2009, 08:43:41 AM Hmm, so much for this being really straightforward...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/65/tournament-circuit-wsop/tournament-directors-association-summit-june-16-17-wsop-451163/index6.html Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: relaedgc on April 29, 2009, 06:05:28 PM Why is this a raise, again?
If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call. But what do I know. Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Cf on April 30, 2009, 12:44:57 AM But why isn't it a raise?
I wish to raise to 200, and have thrown in more than a single chip. If there was a 200 chip then throwing 1 of these out would be a call as per the oversized chip rule, but i've thrown in more than 1 chip here. If I threw in 2x500 would you class that as a raise to 1000 or a call of 150? Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Bigfella on April 30, 2009, 12:51:06 AM I reckon if you haven't announced raise it would be taken as a call in most cardrooms.
Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: jizzemm on April 30, 2009, 01:21:33 AM I reckon if you haven't announced raise it would be taken as a call in most cardrooms. this Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 02:39:28 PM Why is this a raise, again? If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call. But what do I know. so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips.... obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no? Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: doubleup on April 30, 2009, 02:46:48 PM Why is this a raise, again? If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call. But what do I know. so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips.... obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no? in the op only one of the chips exceeds the amount required to call, but if you put in 2x5k, both the chips exceed the amount. Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM 2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated
The WSOP rules cover something similar i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf rule 55 Quote If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 03:22:10 PM 2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated The WSOP rules cover something similar i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf rule 55 Quote If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack......plz dont use there rullings coz they suck Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Girgy85 on April 30, 2009, 03:27:29 PM 2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated The WSOP rules cover something similar i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf rule 55 Quote If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack......plz dont use there rullings coz they suck +1 Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 03:28:29 PM the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack. no they don't lol , the TD is still getting ribbed for that one Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 03:34:27 PM the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack. no they don't lol , the TD is still getting ribbed for that one oh rlly....in that case, u should probably listen to them ;) Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 03:36:00 PM [X] suspects a levelling :)
Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: doubleup on April 30, 2009, 05:14:35 PM 2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated The WSOP rules cover something similar i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf rule 55 Quote If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips This rule is irrelevant the player has not put in a raise. The thread is about this point. Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 05:23:56 PM Quote Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: doubleup on April 30, 2009, 05:28:23 PM Quote Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips I was referring to the 50% bit Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 05:32:27 PM the rulling is....anyone who wants to min raise there shouldnt be aloud to play the game! so its a flat imo
Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: Royal Flush on April 30, 2009, 05:39:58 PM Ruling is i am going to make sure as soon as Cod hits 295 posts we start to delete all his random ones.
Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 05:50:09 PM Ruling is i am going to make sure as soon as Cod hits 295 posts we start to delete all his random ones. only a true moron like urself would suggest such an idiotic thing! burn dempsey Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: relaedgc on April 30, 2009, 09:00:53 PM Why is this a raise, again? If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call. But what do I know. so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips.... obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no? If it's 150 to call and you throw in 2 x 5k chips, obviously that's a raise. Way to completely twist my point. If the blinds are 1000 - 2000 and someone raises to 6000 and then you throw in 2x5k chips. That isn't a min raise unless you verbally declare a raise. Elsewise, it's goes as a call. Not going to argue further about it, anyway. If you think it's a raise, then you call it a raise. Title: Re: Raise or Call? Post by: mondatoo on April 30, 2009, 09:06:18 PM Ruling is i am going to make sure as soon as Cod hits 295 posts we start to delete all his random ones. LOL,i just realised i got out thought with that"dessert" post level 7 think ftw, wp sir vwp |