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cod meharly
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Re: Raise or Call?
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Reply #15 on:
April 30, 2009, 02:39:28 PM »
Quote from: relaedgc on April 29, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Why is this a raise, again?
If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise
. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call.
But what do I know.
so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips....
obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no?
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 02:46:48 PM »
Quote from: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: relaedgc on April 29, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Why is this a raise, again?
If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise
. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call.
But what do I know.
so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips....
obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no?
in the op only one of the chips exceeds the amount required to call, but if you put in 2x5k, both the chips exceed the amount.
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM »
2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated
The WSOP rules cover something similar
i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf
rule 55
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If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
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Re: Raise or Call?
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Reply #18 on:
April 30, 2009, 03:22:10 PM »
Quote from: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated
The WSOP rules cover something similar
i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf
rule 55
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If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack......plz dont use there rullings coz they suck
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 03:27:29 PM »
Quote from: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated
The WSOP rules cover something similar
i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf
rule 55
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If a player puts in a raise of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack......
plz dont use there rullings coz they suck
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 03:28:29 PM »
Quote from: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack.
no they don't lol , the TD is still getting ribbed for that one
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 03:34:27 PM »
Quote from: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 03:22:10 PM
the wsop rules also state that u can slide your stack into the middle of the table without letting go of it then pull it back in and that stands as no betting action as you didnt release your stack.
no they don't lol , the TD is still getting ribbed for that one
oh rlly....in that case, u should probably listen to them
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 03:36:00 PM »
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Re: Raise or Call?
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Reply #23 on:
April 30, 2009, 05:14:35 PM »
Quote from: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
2 x 100 chips is a call IMO unless verbally stated
The WSOP rules cover something similar
i.e. blinds are 300/600 and a player throws 2 x 500 , technically the excess is over 50% of the min raise so a min raise it is supposed to be if you take it literally. Thankfully the sensible option is written down here
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/pdfs/wsop.tournament-rules.08.pdf
rule 55
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If a player
puts in a raise
of 50 percent or more of the previous bet but less than the minimum raise, he or she will be required to make a full raise. The raise will be exactly the minimum raise allowed. In no-limit and pot-limit, an all-in bet of less than a full raise does not reopen the betting to a player who has already acted. Putting a single oversized chip into the pot will be considered a call if the player doesn’t announce a raise. Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level without an announcement will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
This rule is irrelevant the player has not put in a raise. The thread is about this point.
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 05:23:56 PM »
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Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level
without an announcement
will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 05:28:23 PM »
Quote from: dik9 on April 30, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
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Putting in two $500 chips on a 300-600 blind level
without an announcement
will also be considered a call even though it is two chips
I was referring to the 50% bit
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cod meharly
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Re: Raise or Call?
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Reply #26 on:
April 30, 2009, 05:32:27 PM »
the rulling is....anyone who wants to min raise there shouldnt be aloud to play the game! so its a flat imo
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Re: Raise or Call?
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Reply #27 on:
April 30, 2009, 05:39:58 PM »
Ruling is i am going to make sure as soon as Cod hits 295 posts we start to delete all his random ones.
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cod meharly
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 05:50:09 PM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on April 30, 2009, 05:39:58 PM
Ruling is i am going to make sure as soon as Cod hits 295 posts we start to delete all his random ones.
only a true moron like urself would suggest such an idiotic thing! burn dempsey
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Re: Raise or Call?
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April 30, 2009, 09:00:53 PM »
Quote from: cod meharly on April 30, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
Quote from: relaedgc on April 29, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Why is this a raise, again?
If you are facing a bet that requires you to use two chips to call, and you throw them in. (in this case 2 x 100 chips) then you've called unless you state otherwise
. I am assuming you didn't announce anything and in that case I'd make that go as a call.
But what do I know.
so its 150 for you to call and you throw in 2x 5k chips you think this stands as a call because u didnt state ur intention to raise? I am certain that if you throw in 2x5k chips its a raise so why would it differ if you throw in 2x100 chips as the chips add up to a min raise.....in this case there are 25 chipsin play so its not like the 100 chips are the smallest denomination of chips....
obviously different places will make different rullings from time to time but surely if by throwing in 2 higher denomination chips it is a raise so therefor surely this is a raise ..no?
If it's 150 to call and you throw in 2 x 5k chips, obviously that's a raise. Way to completely twist my point.
If the blinds are 1000 - 2000 and someone raises to 6000 and then you throw in 2x5k chips. That isn't a min raise unless you verbally declare a raise. Elsewise, it's goes as a call.
Not going to argue further about it, anyway. If you think it's a raise, then you call it a raise.
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