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Title: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on April 30, 2009, 07:24:02 PM How Often do people think i am ahead in this spot, no info on oppo though,What are we putting villain on?
Full (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206)Tilt (http://blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/12206) Poker Game #11951501452: $18,500 Guarantee (89426647), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:41:03 ET - 2009/04/30 Seat 1: ThePayoffWizard (1,735) Seat 2: meanfish (1,905) Seat 3: macromolecule (4,369) Seat 4: sherwinr (4,710) Seat 5: Fresh86 (6,386) Seat 6: Gaz15 (8,119) macromolecule posts the small blind of 25 sherwinr posts the big blind of 50 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Gaz15 [Qs Ts] Fresh86 folds Gaz15 raises to 140 ThePayoffWizard folds macromolecule calls 115 sherwinr folds *** FLOP *** [9s 5s 6c] macromolecule has 15 seconds left to act macromolecule bets 250 Gaz15 calls 250 *** TURN *** [9s 5s 6c] [7s] macromolecule has 15 seconds left to act macromolecule bets 300 Gaz15 raises to 750 macromolecule has 15 seconds left to act macromolecule calls 450 *** RIVER *** [9s 5s 6c 7s] [7d] macromolecule checks Gaz15 bets 775 macromolecule has 15 seconds left to act macromolecule raises to 3,229, and is all in...... Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: boldie on April 30, 2009, 10:18:31 PM tough spot this...would be very tough to fold this (and I don't think I can in the heat of the moment..depending on the buy-in ...in a bigger buy in tourney I find it easier..in a - $50 I snap this. )...it's one of those where you call and curse when he turns over the full house or nut flush and then kick yourself because you should have known.
Depends on the player..a quick OPR would help I guess. Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: LeKnave on April 30, 2009, 10:32:51 PM sick slowroll.
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on April 30, 2009, 10:52:24 PM fold pre ;D
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 12:05:55 AM you ask how often are you ahead here? difficult to say without any additional info.. it looks like a boat and most probably is given the pattern,but i think you made a mistake with your bet size on the turn,you gave him around 4.2 to 1 thus he had correct odds to go for the boat with 55 66 if he had 97 ul..if he is a tricky type and he sees your turn bet as a flush you make it cheap enough for him to rep a boat on the river ... but without any info on villain it is tough to say that is what he is doing here...
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 02:04:29 AM you ask how often are you ahead here? difficult to say without any additional info.. it looks like a boat and most probably is given the pattern,but i think you made a mistake with your bet size on the turn,you gave him around 4.2 to 1 thus he had correct odds to go for the boat with 55 66 if he had 97 ul..if he is a tricky type and he sees your turn bet as a flush you make it cheap enough for him to rep a boat on the river ... but without any info on villain it is tough to say that is what he is doing here... Where wer u to show me ur skillz Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: KarmaDope on May 01, 2009, 02:18:31 AM APAT forum.
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 02:29:19 AM Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: KarmaDope on May 01, 2009, 02:30:05 AM Extend your offer over there then and see if they'll come play! Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: ChipRich on May 01, 2009, 02:31:13 AM Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 02:32:24 AM Shush,[ ] you sure didn't turn down my offer of hu play coz u wer going to sleep an hour ago :) Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: KarmaDope on May 01, 2009, 02:32:38 AM Even I don't fold here pre.
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 02:33:41 AM Extend your offer over there then and see if they'll come play! Nah they are on another level to my skillz Seriously tho i was eluding to the fact they shud make the fields bigger but woteva there doing a great job just not my cup a tea wpwp Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: ChipRich on May 01, 2009, 02:35:04 AM Shush,[ ] you sure didn't turn down my offer of hu play coz u wer going to sleep an hour ago :) [X] going to bed [ ] going to sleep [X] railing ppl on finals lol. Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 02:35:33 AM Shush,[ ] you sure didn't turn down my offer of hu play coz u wer going to sleep an hour ago :) [X] going to bed [ ] going to sleep lol. Woteva Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 02:56:57 AM Thx to those with genuine replies.Maybe i can get a few more decent replies then i will reveal what happened
Sick Slowroll? I didnt get that LeKnave could you elaborate? Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: mondatoo on May 01, 2009, 03:01:42 AM Thx to those with genuine replies.Maybe i can get a few more decent replies then i will reveal what happened Sick Slowroll? I didnt get that LeKnave could you elaborate? I guessing u already no this but he ment you should snap it off Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 03:54:09 AM Thx to those with genuine replies.Maybe i can get a few more decent replies then i will reveal what happened i'd guess you saw it as a bluff/badly played hand of some sort and called the river and won .... out of curiosity why the small rr on the turn sweet potata! ? did you intend it for any reason.. regards noble1 Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 12:57:40 PM Thx to those with genuine replies.Maybe i can get a few more decent replies then i will reveal what happened i'd guess you saw it as a bluff/badly played hand of some sort and called the river and won .... out of curiosity why the small rr on the turn sweet potata! ? did you intend it for any reason.. regards noble1 I was hoping to entice a shove, also building the pot i had a floooooosh ya know :) When the river comes down and he checks, I'm betting 775 and praying to get paid off. Its possible that small weak bet tilted him to make the move with the shove no? Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: outragous76 on May 01, 2009, 03:10:25 PM Thx to those with genuine replies.Maybe i can get a few more decent replies then i will reveal what happened i'd guess you saw it as a bluff/badly played hand of some sort and called the river and won .... out of curiosity why the small rr on the turn sweet potata! ? did you intend it for any reason.. regards noble1 I was hoping to entice a shove, also building the pot i had a floooooosh ya know :) When the river comes down and he checks, I'm betting 775 and praying to get paid off. Its possible that small weak bet tilted him to make the move with the shove no? Why bet on the end if you are going to fold to a shove? His line doesnt make too much sense (but this shove on the end is usually the nuts) I prob call this spot thou - gut feel Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 03:23:46 PM I didn't think he was going to shove , so i was valoooo betting and not thinking about calling the shove until he shoved!
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: George2Loose on May 01, 2009, 03:32:55 PM Think bet/folding for value here is fine
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 04:13:50 PM I was hoping to entice a shove, also building the pot i had a floooooosh ya know :) When the river comes down and he checks, I'm betting 775 and praying to get paid off. Its possible that small weak bet tilted him to make the move with the shove no? without a read on villain i'm not a fan of the small rr on the turn as it pretty much screams flush to me, imo it polarized your range and after his donk bet on the flop and a weak lead on the turn and calling your small rr his range becomes a grey area for me also..so on 5th street i'm not a huge fan of value betting here when the board pairs..For me this means that in every situation where i don't have a strong read/reason for what i am doing and my opponents range is a somewhat grey area,i find it is best to give up on making a value bet on 5th street because if i do vb my hand i tend to find myself having to make marginal decisions... Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: outragous76 on May 01, 2009, 04:16:47 PM Think bet/folding for value here is fine this doesnt make sense - i think the 775 into (circa) 2300 screams - i have half a hand If you are going to v bet fold - why not check call? This has to be a better line. You are folding for 2k more into a 4k pot??!?!?!?!?!?!? i dont like the v bet fold here. As for teh OP comment - you should always have a plan!!!!! Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 04:24:07 PM Think bet/folding for value here is fine this doesnt make sense - i think the 775 into (circa) 2300 screams - i have half a hand If you are going to v bet fold - why not check call? This has to be a better line. You are folding for 2k more into a 4k pot??!?!?!?!?!?!? i dont like the v bet fold here. As for teh OP comment - you should always have a plan!!!!! I can't he checked into me. Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 04:31:03 PM out of interest potata what did villain have? i'm assuming you called/won...
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: MANTIS01 on May 01, 2009, 04:42:52 PM When the river comes down and he checks, I'm betting 775 and praying to get paid off. Its possible that small weak bet tilted him to make the move with the shove no?
Yes, that is possible. But also unlikely. If you played the hand vs 100 different people how many of them are going to tilt-jam their whole stack with air at 25/50 cos your 775 bet was so brilliantly tilt-inducing? The odd donkey might, but most people wouldn't. If he has showdown value he can easily call the vb, so jamming suggests he has air or nuts imo. Your hand looks pretty stong to me from where villain's sitting and the fact that he jams what is an obvious vb would indicate you're toast. But hey, he could be one of those odd donkey's, but if you call you would be just guessing imo. Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 04:54:37 PM anyone have any opinions on the timing on 4th+5th street by villain?
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 05:25:23 PM lol i wasn't suggesting that it was a super skilled tilt inducing bet.I was asked why i bet so small on the river and as i said when he checks the river to me i assume I'm ahead because IMO at this stage he looks weak , so I'm just hoping to get paid off.It's just that when he moves all in i was slightly bamboozled, it dosent happen me that often that I'm check raised on the river and if i do it myself which is very very rare i will have the nuts most probably.In all honesty i wanted to spew when he moved in , i timebanked it and really couldn't put him on anything i could beat but still made a crying (or bad) call and luckily for me he happened to be one of those random donks that mantis talked about!.
He had 8h 8s. Anyway i think it was a bad call personally but others are saying snap it so prob ain't straightforward either way. What do people think of his play? Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: noble1 on May 01, 2009, 06:05:35 PM if he did it with the intention to rep a boat if the river pairs then i don't mind his line of thinking here but i'd need a read on my opponent or history with them and have a good idea that they will bet the river..why do you think he is weak though after calling your rr on the turn if he has a set how would he proceed in your opinion - check call turn?
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: action man on May 01, 2009, 06:58:02 PM if he did it with the intention to rep a boat if the river pairs then i don't mind his line of thinking here but i'd need a read on my opponent or history with them and have a good idea that they will bet the river..why do you think he is weak though after calling your rr on the turn if he has a set how would he proceed in your opinion - check call turn? this Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: TightEnd on May 01, 2009, 08:59:12 PM interesting thread
Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: sweet potata! on May 01, 2009, 09:15:19 PM interesting thread Don't be shy to add your 2p worth. Title: Re: How often am i ahead here? Post by: AlexMartin on May 01, 2009, 09:35:42 PM Think bet/folding for value here is fine this doesnt make sense - i think the 775 into (circa) 2300 screams - i have half a hand If you are going to v bet fold - why not check call? This has to be a better line. You are folding for 2k more into a 4k pot??!?!?!?!?!?!? i dont like the v bet fold here. As for teh OP comment - you should always have a plan!!!!! huh? bet/fold is absolutely fine |